3 Challenge Flags & Other Rules *MERGE*

[links18]

Possibly Wade could have challenged that Felix was down by contact after he had possession of the ball and was touched while on the ground.

I personally think anything should be reviewable and as long as coach is winning challenges then he shouldn't be held to just two of them. A coach should be held to two unsuccessful challenges. A team should not be punished for bad officiating!!

No can't challenge the recovery of a fumble. Refs ruled on the field that Felix never had possession, therefore not challengeable.

 

[cml750]

No can't challenge the recovery of a fumble. Refs ruled on the field that Felix never had possession, therefore not challengeable.

Then the second part of my post should apply. Anything should be reviewable!!

 

[KC10Sooner]

No can't challenge the recovery of a fumble. Refs ruled on the field that Felix never had possession, therefore not challengeable.

This makes no sense. The whole purpose of reviewing calls is to make sure the call is correct. How much longer would Felix have to hold on to the ball for the ref to determine possesion. 1 sec, 2 sec, 5? I mean really. If he would have picked the ball up and ran a step or two and then gets clocked, I understand that it would then be another fumble. But in this case, he clearly has possesion, is hit on the ground, still has possesion, rolls over from said hit and as he is rolling the ball is stripped.

I thought Wade challenged down by contact. The same definition of down by contact was used on McBriars hit..but the call went against us. Player has possesion, hits ground, is touched, then loses the ball. No fumble...down by contact.

Officiating is all about consistency.

 

[Bonwickean]

When GB coach McCartney had already lost two challenges and threw the red flag for a third one, why was it not considered Unsportsman-like conduct and a 15 yard penalty? I saw it happen one or two seasons ago but cannot remember the teams. Looked for an official 2009 rulebook but all NFL has is a digest version and searched with Google and only found 2006 edition. Was there something I missed on that challenge? Thanks to anyone who may clear this up for me.

 

[links18]

This makes no sense. The whole purpose of reviewing calls is to make sure the call is correct. How much longer would Felix have to hold on to the ball for the ref to determine possesion. 1 sec, 2 sec, 5? I mean really. If he would have picked the ball up and ran a step or two and then gets clocked, I understand that it would then be another fumble. But in this case, he clearly has possesion, is hit on the ground, still has possesion, rolls over from said hit and as he is rolling the ball is stripped.

I thought Wade challenged down by contact. The same definition of down by contact was used on McBriars hit..but the call went against us. Player has possesion, hits ground, is touched, then loses the ball. No fumble...down by contact.

Officiating is all about consistency.

Once they ruled there was a fumble, recovery of the fumble cannot be challenged. It doesn't matter if Felix picked it up, ran 30 yards and then dropped it. If the refs ruled on the filed that he didn't recover the original Romo fumble it cannot be challenged.

Now, If he picked it up, ran 30 yards and dropped it and the refs rules there was a second fumble on the play, then Wade could have challenged whether or not Felix fumbled it. However, that was not the ruling on the field in this case.


The entire reason recovery of a fumble is not reviewable is to prevent coaches from challenging what happens at the bottom of a scrum pile and putting the refs in an impossible position of sorting that out.

Not saying the rule is right or even reasonable, but it is what it is.

 

[Bonwickean]

When GB coach McCartney had already lost two challenges and threw the red flag for a third one, why was it not considered Unsportsman-like conduct and a 15 yard penalty? I saw it happen one or two seasons ago but cannot remember the teams. Looked for an official 2009 rulebook but all NFL has is a digest version and searched with Google and only found 2006 edition. Was there something I missed on that challenge? Thanks to anyone who may clear this up for me.

Sorry, did not see this topic answered in another thread. Mods please merge or delete. Thanks.

 

[jimmy40]

then on top of that on several blown calls, on one particular play that should have been called for the cowboys and the refs blew the call, when they showed a ref on the line of scrimmage he was smiling because he knew he blew a call and got away with it and stuck it to the cowboys and their fans

good grief

 

[hendog]

So what was the answer?

 

[theebs]

I believe that is a personal foul inside the 2 minute warning, throwing a challenge flag?

is that right?

 

[EndGame]

I was wondering about this too. I didn't figure for unsportsmanlike, but I thought at LEAST a delay of game was in order. It essentially gave Green Bay an extra timeout while the refs went under the hood and then decided they shouldn't be under the hood at all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I guess any stoppage of play doesn't count if it comes from the sideline

 

[links18]

They are supposed to take the challenge flag away when the coach is out of challenges, aren't they?

 

[cowboyjoe]

No can't challenge the recovery of a fumble. Refs ruled on the field that Felix never had possession, therefore not challengeable.

that bogus because the packer defender rolled felix over with felix on his back, both hands on the ball for a full second and the defender then ripped the ball out of felix hands,

that was on tape on tv and obviously on review up in the booth, but the packers refs didnt want to make some calls against the packers, wanted to stick it to the cowboys and not overrule the refs

again, was a bogus call;

sometimes truth or right isnt called like it should, and evil gets its way

 

[cowboyjoe]

Once they ruled there was a fumble, recovery of the fumble cannot be challenged. It doesn't matter if Felix picked it up, ran 30 yards and then dropped it. If the refs ruled on the filed that he didn't recover the original Romo fumble it cannot be challenged.

Now, If he picked it up, ran 30 yards and dropped it and the refs rules there was a second fumble on the play, then Wade could have challenged whether or not Felix fumbled it. However, that was not the ruling on the field in this case.


The entire reason recovery of a fumble is not reviewable is to prevent coaches from challenging what happens at the bottom of a scrum pile and putting the refs in an impossible position of sorting that out.

Not saying the rule is right or even reasonable, but it is what it is.

again thats bogus on the refs, was plainly shown on tv that when felix was turned over onto his back, he had both hands on the ball for a full second or more and the packer defender ripped the ball out of his hands

the chicken refs didnt want to make the call like they should because they were imcompentent

thats the whole thing right there, incompetent refs; i point to when one ref ruled unsportmanlike unnecessary roughness on newman 41, newman had to point to the ref and other refs and 2 refs had to come up to the ref and correct him, that a packer number 41 had hit one of our dallas cowboys defenders

that incompentence right there; but the nfl wont do anything about it, till all of u fans that say u want something done, get up, get mad enough, stand united and demand accountability to the NFL, the owners on poor officiating

thats what it really boils down to, fans getting mad enough to let the owners, and goodell you have had enough with poor officiating, No More Excuses refs, do your job or your fired and fined;

 

[cowboyjoe]

good grief

well he did, im sure you didnt see it, but the ref on the line of scrimmage was smiling at a blown call on the cowboys right after it was made

 

[cowboyjoe]

Once they ruled there was a fumble, recovery of the fumble cannot be challenged. It doesn't matter if Felix picked it up, ran 30 yards and then dropped it. If the refs ruled on the filed that he didn't recover the original Romo fumble it cannot be challenged.

Now, If he picked it up, ran 30 yards and dropped it and the refs rules there was a second fumble on the play, then Wade could have challenged whether or not Felix fumbled it. However, that was not the ruling on the field in this case.


The entire reason recovery of a fumble is not reviewable is to prevent coaches from challenging what happens at the bottom of a scrum pile and putting the refs in an impossible position of sorting that out.

Not saying the rule is right or even reasonable, but it is what it is.

the rule is, a rolling fumble that goes out of bounds is not reviewable unless the football goes into the endzone, then it is reviewable, but if the ref rules the play a rolling fumble out of bounds, then it isnt reviewable

however it showed clearly on tv that when the defender turned felix over, felix had the ball in both hands, a full second or more and the packer defender ripped the ball out of felixs hands;

larry brown said in that case that felix has to hold onto the ball, even if the refs blew the call, take it for whatever it was,

just like when the refs didnt take the flag away from packers head coach when his challenges were out, thats incompentence right there

just like when the nfl was suppose to be sure that all balls were changed during the game in the seattle game, but they werent, we found out that the ball boy or someone put in a slick football that romo dropped in the playoff game in seattle, again, right there was incompetence by the nfl back then and now

if you as fans want to live with that, then i cant do nothing about you not wanting to speak up and let your voice be heard, but i am going to speak my peace to the nfl and the nfl officiating crews;

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I tried a new sports bar today and the sound was down, so I was hoping you guys could explain the Felix call to me...

But here's another one: How about when Scandrick did the beautiful corner blitz and blindsided Rodgers... How did the officials not see the ball come out when he got hit? Why were they whistling the play dead?

Of course it got nullified by the incredibly ticky-tack Jenkins "hands to face" penalty, but still. Lot of strange calls today.

 

[Kevinicus]

I tried a new sports bar today and the sound was down, so I was hoping you guys could explain the Felix call to me...

But here's another one: How about when Scandrick did the beautiful corner blitz and blindsided Rodgers... How did the officials not see the ball come out when he got hit? Why were they whistling the play dead?

Of course it got nullified by the incredibly ticky-tack Jenkins "hands to face" penalty, but still. Lot of strange calls today.

They saw the ball come out, and it was ruled a fumble that was recovered by Scandrick. Scandrick was ruled down by contact though.

 

[adamknite]

2006 NFL rule book says this under the "Instant Replay" section....


Penalty: For initiating a challenge when all of a team’s time outs have been exhausted or when all of its available challenges have been used: Loss of 15 yards.

 

[AdamJT13]

When GB coach McCartney had already lost two challenges and threw the red flag for a third one, why was it not considered Unsportsman-like conduct and a 15 yard penalty? I saw it happen one or two seasons ago but cannot remember the teams. Looked for an official 2009 rulebook but all NFL has is a digest version and searched with Google and only found 2006 edition. Was there something I missed on that challenge? Thanks to anyone who may clear this up for me.

The Rulebook says it's a 15-yard penalty. I have no idea why the refs didn't call it.

Section 9 Instant Replay

The League will employ a system of Referee Replay Review to aid officiating for reviewable plays as defined below. Prior to the two-minute warning of each half, a Coaches’ Challenge System will be in effect. After the two-minute warning of each half, and throughout any overtime period, a Referee Review will be initiated by a Replay Assistant from a Replay Booth comparable to the location of the coaches’ booth or Press Box. The following
procedures will be used:

Coaches’ Challenge. In each game, a team will be permitted two challenges that will initiate Referee Replay reviews. Each challenge will require the use of a team timeout. If a challenge is upheld, the time out will be restored to the challenging team. A challenge will only be restored if a team is successful on both of its challenges, in which case it shall be awarded a third challenge, but a fourth challenge will not be permitted under any circumstances. No challenges will be recognized from a team that has exhausted its time outs. A team that is out of time outs or has used all of its available challenges may not attempt to initiate an additional challenge.

Penalty: For initiating a challenge when all of a team’s time outs have been exhausted or when all of its available challenges have been used: Loss of 15 yards.​