38 is the weak link on defense

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He can't protect sideline to sideline. That's just not possible. I would need to see a replay to know if Heath had any chance to make a play, but some here have indicated that Heath was shaded to the other side because there were 2 receivers lined up on that side and only one on the side Awuzie was covering. If that's true, that might be the explanation.
Like I said earlier, Heath MIGHT have been able to make a tackle instead of diving, but he was on the 2 WR set side on the opposite hash mark. Awuzie got beat.
 

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Again, there are so many issues facing this defense right now that I can't sit here and criticize Heath as if he's the reason this defense stinks.

Frankly, he's played better than his counterparts at DT, save for maybe Collins (who is good against the pass but terrible against the run this year).
 

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Did anyone see our captain #38 on the 90 plus yard touchdown to Robbie Anderson?
This play perfectly summarizes his tenure as our starting strong safety. In key situations our opponents know that they can attack our strong safety at any time. Anybody who continues to defend this scrub is just a joke.
what's your solution? anyone and everyone always finds problems....and then they try to play madden football with trades and drafts.....
 

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We have done nothing to improve both safety positions over the last few years and it's obviously hurt our defense overall. Re-watching the game last night, there are signs of cracks in the dam all over the D and it's becoming apparent that our FO's neglect and ignorance in this area is coming home to roost. I really do not understand what happened with our LB's from last year to this but they are running backwards from their stances instead of attacking as well. The whole defense looks confused at times and that was against a bad offense in the Jets.
so improve safety, but weaken other spots....there are only so much money and draft picks to go around.....yes, we like a good safety, but need help at DE, DT and needed LBs....get safties and we complain about not having LBs...get LBs and we complain about DEs....
 

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Chido was flat out beat yes but our safety had the perfect angle on the play to make the tackle after he got beat. Safety is the last line of defense. The tight end was murdering 38 all game to keep the chains moving. Chido is young. This guy has been doing the same thing since the Calvin Johnson game. Why is he still on the team? He is the poster boy of the Jason Garrett right kind of guy philosophy. I am sure he's a great try hard guy but the name of the game is to win. Anyone who thinks we can win with #38 getting significant minutes is a fool.
And when heath is the last line of defense and makes a play to prevent that would be TD he's called a bum because that play happened anyway.

Start with the interior dline first, you're looking at the defense from the completely wrong end first.
 

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He is a weak link and an opportunity for major improvement. But watching the Jets game and analyzing a few plays, there are bigger fish to fry on defense. The DTs are just awful. If they applied some pressure up the middle, Heath's horrendous football instincts wouldn't matter as much. The DEs did their jobs Sunday. Quinn was getting into the backfield on passing downs and Lawrence was occupying 2 and 3 blockers. Darnold had plenty of room to step up and survey the field because the DTs were not getting any penetration at all.

But worse than the play of the DTs could be the play of Jaylon Smith at MLB. When you watch the video and focus on him there are many plays that are just embarrassing. He reacts late, gets over-powered by offensive linemen (I mean he has no power to his game) and takes himself out of position a lot. He is not the player he was in college but college is not the NFL.

The CBs are the best part of this defense after the DEs but they look like they are playing scared. This team is a mess this year. They lost the attitude they had last year.
This :clap::hammer:
 

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Not a bad angle? Have you ever watched film? Did you watch this play? What other possible angle could he take? Idiot
And when heath is the last line of defense and makes a play to prevent that would be TD he's called a bum because that play happened anyway.

Start with the interior dline first, you're looking at the defense from the completely wrong end first.
No sir...
 

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The only thing he MIGHT have been able to do was not dive for the tackle and run him done. Possibly.
But he was on the right side, Chido got burnt by the double move.

@Blackthorn pointing out that Health was delayed, not because of the run or play-action but because Nickel CB Lewis didn't cover his man and released him with only Heath there to cover him. It appears that Lewis was expected to play man but played Zone.

I don't know if you saw the image I created, but it shows that Heath had a long distance to cover. Barry Church would have been 10 yards away from making that play...

The image shows how much distance Heath covered at the point he saw the QB look that the WR Anderson and was getting ready to throw.

The QB is standing on about the 2 yard line when he throws and the catch is made at about the 50. Heath was at the 25 yard line and 15 to 20 yards horizontally across which puts the diagonal path that he covered at about 30 yards. That roughly means he covered 30 yards in the time the ball covered 48 yards. It was a high lofted pass, but regardless Heath is very fast to cover that much ground.

 
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@Blackthorn pointing out that Health was delayed, not because of the run or play-action but because Nickel CB Lewis didn't cover his man and released him with only Heath there to cover him. It appears that Lewis was expected to play man but played Zone.

I don't know if you saw the image I created, but it shows that Heath had a long distance to cover. Barry Church would have been 10 yards away from making that play...

The image shows how much distance Heath covered at the point he saw the QB look that the WR Anderson and was getting ready to throw.

Some people will do mental gymnastics to justify hate on one player while doing the same to defend another.
 

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Did anyone see our captain #38 on the 90 plus yard touchdown to Robbie Anderson?
This play perfectly summarizes his tenure as our starting strong safety. In key situations our opponents know that they can attack our strong safety at any time. Anybody who continues to defend this scrub is just a joke.
You cant point the finger at any one player on defense, unless you got 11 fingers.
 

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He can't protect sideline to sideline. That's just not possible. I would need to see a replay to know if Heath had any chance to make a play, but some here have indicated that Heath was shaded to the other side because there were 2 receivers lined up on that side and only one on the side Awuzie was covering. If that's true, that might be the explanation.

If you're single high, you better be trying to protect sideline to sideline. There's no one behind you. It doesn't really matter much how many WRs are on a side, it matters whether you have an angle on them.

If both sideline CBs gets beaten deep, you've got a big problem, but the right side defender *was not* in danger of getting beaten deep, while the left side defender was. Heath needed to be moving left. He could move quite far left before he lost the angle on the guy in the slot.

Heath got his hand on the hip of the WR. He didn't have to adjust much to have the chance to tackle him. If he started a little earlier, he gets him. Heath started the play unnecessarily lined up on the right hash. If he started lined up in the middle, he catches the WR easily.
 

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If you're single high, you better be trying to protect sideline to sideline. There's no one behind you. It doesn't really matter much how many WRs are on a side, it matters whether you have an angle on them.

If both sideline CBs gets beaten deep, you've got a big problem, but the right side defender *was not* in danger of getting beaten deep, while the left side defender was. Heath needed to be moving left. He could move quite far left before he lost the angle on the guy in the slot.

Heath got his hand on the hip of the WR. He didn't have to adjust much to have the chance to tackle him. If he started a little earlier, he gets him. Heath started the play unnecessarily lined up on the right hash. If he started lined up in the middle, he catches the WR easily.

Nobody but Heath was covering the slot WR.

At the point just before Awuzie fell down, which WR does Heath need to cover?

Hint: It's the one in the red circle.

 

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If you're single high, you better be trying to protect sideline to sideline. There's no one behind you. It doesn't really matter much how many WRs are on a side, it matters whether you have an angle on them.

If both sideline CBs gets beaten deep, you've got a big problem, but the right side defender *was not* in danger of getting beaten deep, while the left side defender was. Heath needed to be moving left. He could move quite far left before he lost the angle on the guy in the slot.

Heath got his hand on the hip of the WR. He didn't have to adjust much to have the chance to tackle him. If he started a little earlier, he gets him. Heath started the play unnecessarily lined up on the right hash. If he started lined up in the middle, he catches the WR easily.
Chico has to recognize he was on a island, be willing to give up 9 yard pattern,....to bite on double move was the bait jets had seen on tape....Chico was set up, their scheme was set up
Really....pretty good coaching on jets
Either Chico not progressing, or scheme not being detailed enough to players so they become more adept at recognition and communication.
Anyone see any hand signals or comm between players pre snap?
 

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Nobody but Heath was covering the slot WR.

At the point just before Awuzie fell down, which WR does Heath need to cover?

Hint: It's the one in the red circle.


It's not either/or when you're playing single high. Single high is zone, not man. Heath could have covered *both* the slot guy and the guy on the left from the center of the field.
 

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Chico has to recognize he was on a island, be willing to give up 9 yard pattern,....to bite on double move was the bait jets had seen on tape....Chico was set up, their scheme was set up
Really....pretty good coaching on jets
Either Chico not progressing, or scheme not being detailed enough to players so they become more adept at recognition and communication.
Anyone see any hand signals or comm between players pre snap?

Chido bit. It happens. Heath tried to provide help over the top but failed.

Both of them failed.
 
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