4/6 Mock

[DFWJC]

Exactly. I wouldn't move down and give up a 3rd just for their 2nd.

Trade down to #7 and receive SF's 2nd. Heck maybe make them throw in a 4th or 5th too. If they are moving up it's for a potential franchise QB. Lets see how much they want him.

The trade would not happen then.
Simple as that.

No offense
But I like how all of you guys are playing internet GM forum hardball when in real life it doesn't work that way.

 

[9darter]

The trade would not happen then.
Simple as that.

No offense
But I like how all of you guys are playing internet GM forum hardball when in real life it doesn't work that way.

Better than being a softball agreeing to poor value.

A lot of trades doesn't happen all the time. In the draft and any other economy. Has nothing to do with being an "internet GM forum hardball".

 

[DFWJC]

Better than being a softball agreeing to poor value.

A lot of trades doesn't happen all the time. In the draft and any other economy. Has nothing to do with being an "internet GM forum hardball".

How is a fair trade poor value?

And how is getting deal done like all other real life GMs considered "soft"

Why don't we just get 2-3 extra 1st rounders' on every trade if we want to play internet tough guy GMs.
Won't ever happen for real, but wth. It's be fun anyway.

 

[Sydla]

The trade would not happen then.
Simple as that.

No offense
But I like how all of you guys are playing internet GM forum hardball when in real life it doesn't work that way.

Actually it happens despite your protestations.

Washington gave up way more than they had to in terms of the value chart to go from 6 to 2.

So if San Fran wants a franchise QB they have to pay more than their first and second with us throwing a high third back at them.

 

[marchetta]

Titans go Tunsil at #1, followed with Cleveland taking Wentz at #2, then the Chargers pick Ramsey at #3.


At #4, the Cowboys get a call from the 49ers who are trying to trade up to select Goff. The Cowboys decide to trade down, and the deal is as following:

Dallas gives #4 and #67
SF gives #7 and #37


At #7, the Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliot (my preference - can go other directions). They would have picks #34 and #37 in the 2nd round.



Thoughts on this hypo trade down? They don't have to pick EE (but I would love it if they did), and upgrade a 3rd rounder into a high 2nd rounder.


This is going on the basis that the franchise either A) doesn't think Goff is worth the gamble as a franchise QB, and/or B) Jerry Jones is all in on Romo's window

This is my #1 draft scenario. I was just thinking about this a minute before I clicked this link. Glad to see great minds think alike.

 

[funkytown]

I think its a pretty realistic trade. We shouldn't have to give up our 3rd rounder though. Would like to find a way to move down 3 spots and pick up their 2nd rounder without giving up anything else.

And I'm on the Ezekiel Elliot train also. We are getting bashed on the board for wanting Elliot that high in the first round, but he would give us the most impact day one.

But yes we have Morris and McFadden and you can find Rbs anywhere in the draft. I still want him.

 

[DFWJC]

Actually it happens despite your protestations.

Washington gave up way more than they had to in terms of the value chart to go from 6 to 2.

So if San Fran wants a franchise QB they have to pay more than their first and second with us throwing a high third back at them.

They really didn't Sydla.
Not if you go by future 1st rounder being equal to current mid round 2nd rounders. Two years out being a current 3rd. etc
Not that I agree fully with that, but that's generally how it works wit future picks.

Add up their trade and , just like almost all others, it fell within about 5% or so..could have been close to 10%. Which is rare and extreme. I think it was 5...which for the 2nd pick is 130 pts.
In our case if we got 5% more than expected that would add up to lot. 90... So there was some lee-way

Hey, in the end, I guess everyone can come up with whatever trades they want.

 

[Sydla]

They really didn't Sydla.
Not if you go by future 1st rounder being equal to current mid round 2nd rounders. Two years out being a current 3rd. etc
Not that I agree fully with that, but that's generally how it works wit future picks.

Add up their trade and , just like almost all others, it fell within about 5% or so..could have been close to 10%. Which is rare and extreme. I think it was 5...which for the 2nd pick is 130 pts.
In our case if we got 5% more than expected that would add up to lot. 90... So there was some lee-way

Actually they do have to pay a premium, or as you said, the deal probably doesn't get done.

I don't think there is a frog's chance in hell Dallas would make that deal and give up their third rounder.

 

[DFWJC]

Actually they do have to pay a premium, or as you said, the deal probably doesn't get done.

I don't think there is a frog's chance in hell Dallas would make that deal and give up their third rounder.

Yeah. I'm not sure Dallas would do it either. Maybe if they were at 4 and had 4 players all in the same tier, so moving down would basically be a free/riskless move. But I don't think they'd have 4 players grade all about the same on their board that early in the draft. That's something that happens fairly often much later, but not at 4.
Sometimes--most often--trades just don't happen at all.

 

[funkytown]

Actually they do have to pay a premium, or as you said, the deal probably doesn't get done.

I don't think there is a frog's chance in hell Dallas would make that deal and give up their third rounder.

No way I do that and give up the 3rd rounder. Maybe the 4th rounder. But even then it seems like we are giving up to much when we are not the ones in need.

 

[AKATheRake]

Why would we give them #67?

Just to get their 2nd rounder?

They want the QB they have to make it worth our while.

 

[DFWJC]

SF can possibly just wait at 7th overall and get Goff. Give up nothing.

It's so prohibitive for the Rams to move way up there from 15, they may just feel they are safe.
The threat in SF's minds may actually be Dallas.

If Dallas is lookin to trade down, that just takes away the threat that Dallas will take Goff ahead of them.

 

[pjtoadie]

SF can possibly just wait at 7th overall and get Goff. Give up nothing.

It's so prohibitive for the Rams to move way up there from 15, they may just feel they are safe.
The threat in SF's minds may actually be Dallas.

If Dallas is lookin to trade down, that just takes away the threat that Dallas will take Goff ahead of them.

They can then act like they'll just draft Goff for themselves then that might make SF more desperate....

 

[Avery]

I would tell them to **** off with that third round back nonsense. You want your franchise QB who already has local viability? Give us your #37 and we'll pretend you didn't insult us.

 

[DFWJC]

I do think Dallas could get a little more than swapping a 3rd for a 2nd. Maybe a 2nd a 5th or so for the 3rd.
No chance they'd get 2nd straight up...if that's the case, SF mays as well give SD that deal (or close to it)

 

[BlueNSilver88]

I do think Dallas could get a little more than swapping a 3rd for a 2nd. Maybe a 2nd a 5th or so for the 3rd.
No chance they'd get 2nd straight up...if that's the case, SF mays as well give SD that deal (or close to it)

Yeah, I was thinking maybe their 1,2,4th/5th for our 1 & 3.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, regardless of whether it's EE or not, the actual trade values are viable. And the trade doesn't have Dallas getting unrealistic value like some others do. Legit...in fact, Dallas might even squeeze and extra 6th or 7th out of SF in your scenario.
I do keep hearing that love Ramsey. So if he goes to SD at 3, they really might be on the phones at that point.

Just curious why SF would want to trade ahead of Baltimore and Jacksonville for Goff. I guess maybe if they thought another team was also trying to get into our spot or one of the others.

Man, we see this differently. In that trade scenario, SF would get the franchise QB they covet and get more value out of the trade as far as points go. To me, that trade is completely unrealistic. We trade out of the top 5 for a RB in the top 10 and we get no advantage out of the trade. I don't see that.

I should say that I hope we don't see that because that would be completely stupid.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

Man, we see this differently. In that trade scenario, SF would get the franchise QB they covet and get more value out of the trade as far as points go. To me, that trade is completely unrealistic. We trade out of the top 5 for a RB in the top 10 and we get no advantage out of the trade. I don't see that.

I should say that I hope we don't see that because that would be completely stupid.

It's ok to disagree on the value, but I don't feel it is 'completely stupid' as you say. Also, it doesn't have to be EE who we pick. Sure, I agree we could negotiate in a way that would make them 'overpay' more, but this is food for thought.

 

[DFWJC]

Man, we see this differently. In that trade scenario, SF would get the franchise QB they covet and get more value out of the trade as far as points go. To me, that trade is completely unrealistic. We trade out of the top 5 for a RB in the top 10 and we get no advantage out of the trade. I don't see that.

I should say that I hope we don't see that because that would be completely stupid.

Like I said, Dallas could get a bit more. I think we all agree on that..even the OP

All people have to do is go back at look at all the trades (not including the vague future picks) and they'll see they all fall within 5-10% of the chart.
No exceptions.

But IT IS TRUE that more times than not, the team going up for the QB pays that extra 5%.
If we think Jerry would actually force a team to pay that extra 5%--can't recall him doing that in the last decade--then it wuld mean we get an extra 90.

In this case that would mean paying 1890 for 1800.

But really, if Dallas is trading the pick, what's keeping SF from staying put and getting Goff at no extra cost.
Or if Dallas wants the 2nd rounder (WAY out of line chart-wise) what's keeping them from saying either 1) no deal or 2) just give SD that deal and slight bump and forget Dallas altogether.

In the end, I don't care either way, of course.
This is just make believe. All in good fun.
I was just pointing out the facts of how these trades have happened in the past.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's ok to disagree on the value, but I don't feel it is 'completely stupid' as you say. Also, it doesn't have to be EE who we pick. Sure, I agree we could negotiate in a way that would make them 'overpay' more, but this is food for thought.

We are picking forth in the draft. To me, and really this is only my opinion, any scenario where we are dropping down out of the top 5 and not getting a seriously good trade value out of it is stupid. I would rather just stay there and take the best player on our board. Heck, I would rather take the QB but who knows?