4 best (and 2 worst) Cowboys trades under Jerry Jones

[Big_D]

Don't involve one's self in determining value of period players invalidates assumptions as above. Jimmy Johnson wasn't the smartest person and controlling everything about him that was ever in the NFL. I like John Madden a lot better and he was under an owner/GM. That's not topic.

Finding and discussing actual trends with player acquisitions was. Once that is completed, a person is in a position to evaluate farther out or add real facts.

Huh?? Every decision the guy made after Johnson left was laughable until he ran them into the ground. The proof is out there for all to see. He's not Al Davis, not even close. Davis had an actual coaching resume before owning the Raiders. But I know how much you hate resumes, you and Jerry seem to have that in common.

 

[CCBoy]

Diehardblues​

You are off topic...and that is an evaluation by yourself and leave insult out of your posts.

Huh?? Every decision the guy made after Johnson left was laughable until he ran them into the ground. The proof is out there for all to see. He's not Al Davis, not even close. Davis had an actual coaching resume before owning the Raiders. But I know how much you hate resumes, you and Jerry seem to have that in common.

You now start to attempt to explain how successful his coaching career was before the formation of the AFC...and how HIS coaching went also. Before offering as proof unexplored or provided proof of which.

Take your name calling somewhere else...I still like John Madden better on matters of INTEGRITY!

 

[Big_D]

You are off topic...and that is an evaluation by yourself and leave insult out of your posts.

You now attempt to explain how successful his coaching career was before the formation of the AFC...and how HIS coaching went also, before offer as proof, and unexplored or provided proof of which.

Take you name calling somewhere else...I still like John Madden better on matters of INTEGRITY!

Davis coached for 15 years and in turn evaluated players. Just like Johnson did for 25 years before going the Cowboys. Odd you don't think this matters. Bringing up John Madden seems pointless. This is about a coach who knew how to evaluate a roster compared to an owner who clearly did not.

 

[VaqueroTD]

First off, he's not my boy...

The Dallas Cowboys, aware of Walker's earlier interest in playing for them, acquired Walker's NFL rights by selecting him in the fifth round (114th overall) of the 1985 NFL Draft.

In 1986, he was signed by the Cowboys and moved to fullback, so he could share backfield duties with Tony Dorsett, becoming the second Heisman backfield tandem in NFL history, after George Rogers and Earl Campbell teamed with the 1984 New Orleans Saints. This move created tension, as it would limit Dorsett's playing time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker

The Cowboys were interested well before Jimmy was a dream.
He came in along with the presence of Tony Dorsett...no, Jimmy Johnson didn't just have a divine intervention.

In 1989, the Cowboys traded Walker to the Minnesota Vikings for a total of five players (linebacker Jesse Solomon, defensive back Issiac Holt, running back Darrin Nelson, linebacker David Howard, defensive end Alex Stewart) and six future draft picks.

All of Jimmy's drafting wasn't a backside shining act...then staff started to step in with college scouting of players he was no longer knowledgeable.

Here, Gil Brandt and other Cowboys influential in personnel, well, had intense and long talks with Jerry as well.

*The five players were tied to potential draft picks Minnesota would give Dallas if a player was cut (which led to Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson).

That was the over the top additions.

The Wall was with dropped NFL players and no-names drafted...all Jimmy?

The decision to trade Herschel was done by Jimmy on his daily jog with the coaches and Jerry’s reaction was like everyone else — “Say whut??”

Jimmy was almost a better GM than Coach.

 

[CCBoy]

Davis coached for 15 years and in turn evaluated players. Just like Johnson did for 25 years before going the Cowboys. Odd you don't think this matters. Bringing up John Madden seems pointless. This is about a coach who knew how to evaluate a roster compared to an owner who clearly did not.

No, that is the burden of legitimacy and credible discussion. You apply no confirming information and still remain off topic...of a group of players acquired...not drafted.

Now, how long was Jason Garrett a player and then a coach...did there appear facts of inclusion that were not here as well? No. Jason was good as a backup and he grew up in a highly intensely football involved family. He coached for 10 seasons as head coach and how many more before that. No the burden in your post is on yourself

Jimmy's knowledge of players was gone in about 4 years, if that. Very relevant as many of 'his' picks were failures as well.
That part is being ignored by the stance of he had to do it all. Failed player selection, by 'Jimmy' all by himself were included. High level of failures were there in top picks as well. How come?

I posted why I prefer Madden...I'll post that again: INTEGRITY! He had to learn everything about coaching...first after his leg was blown out as a lineman.

Don't keep on throwing at me stereotyped sidebars and then just toss something that hasn't been addressed on topic. Jimmy did a lot right...But this isn't about Jimmy. You afraid of real discussion seeking truth that can be individualized by someone seeking their own view of truth and history.

I actually detest being presented insult and expected to accept another's version of hero worship. I'm just trying to discuss the values in the posted article.
Myself, I'll give it some value as well as credibility.

I'll make up my own mind in the interim, without negative labels by some here.

I won't listen to a Jimmy stamp of approval instead, on this thread.

 

[CCBoy]

The decision to trade Herschel was done by Jimmy on his daily jog with the coaches and Jerry’s reaction was like everyone else — “Say whut??”

Jimmy was almost a better GM than Coach.

Yea, how far did they run...

Walker's $5 million five-year contract exceeded his $4.5 million five-year contract. Think that did not involve Jerry?

A coach takes a money matter to his GM. All coaches are required to do that. The GM gave the money, when that money was badly needed for that group of Cowboys to even survive existence. Jerry really not involved? Not in the picture involved here. Jimmy was a part...not the whole. Take out all realities for achievement, then yea, one is left with sure, yea, he walked on water and turned water into wine also...

Not on topic!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

6 is painful cause I believe Arizona got bolden for a 3rd? Or gave him up for a 3rd. Jerry had this stupid obsession over bringing a Texas player over to Dallas

Roy was a good player and they were trying to take advantage of Romos prime. Struck out but I understand it though don’t like it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That wasn't really the point. Jerry didn't actually make the Walker or Haley trade. At that time Jerry handled the financial side only.

That’s essentially every move Jerry has made isn’t it? He didn’t make the Amari or Roy Williams trade either using this stance…..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The other problem was Jerry couldn't draft. He downright sucked at it. So these ridiculous WR trades were the only route to get better and he sucked there too. The guy couldn't evaluate a roster or fix it which was the overall problem.

Y’all are giving Jerry too much credit….y’all think he’s the one who made those picks good to bed? Y’all think he didn’t listen to guys like Larry Lacewell?

 

[Havic]

Roy was a good player and they were trying to take advantage of Romos prime. Struck out but I understand it though don’t like it.

He was but he was already showing decline when we made the offer

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He was but he was already showing decline when we made the offer

It was one of those situations that Roy was on a bad team and not happy…..then didn’t have a good QB throwing to him. Sort of like the Amari situation except Amaris issues seemed to be mental. In hindsight Roy’s problem was he may have been in the decline like you said.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Yea, how far did they run...

Walker's $5 million five-year contract exceeded his $4.5 million five-year contract. Think that did not involve Jerry?

A coach takes a money matter to his GM. All coaches are required to do that. The GM gave the money, when that money was badly needed for that group of Cowboys to even survive existence. Jerry really not involved? Not in the picture involved here. Jimmy was a part...not the whole. Take out all realities for achievement, then yea, one is left with sure, yea, he walked on water and turned water into wine also...

Not on topic!

 

[Big_D]

Y’all are giving Jerry too much credit….y’all think he’s the one who made those picks good to bed? Y’all think he didn’t listen to guys like Larry Lacewell?

I don't care who he was listening to, it wasn't working. There was a huge difference once Jimmy left. He wanted to be involved and he now 30 years later wears every hat in the building. How is that too much credit? Did he not hire the coaches and give his stamp of approval to every aspect starting in 94. Everything went downhill after that. We're gonna blame lacewell? lol

 

[CCBoy]

build topic...

 

[erod]

No, Jerry Jones was the GM...don't rewrite history. Jerry held the job and was part of selections, just as today.

Keep Jerry rah rahs out of the thread...

Discuss topic...or sit the bench. Let's just see the values involved.

No, wrong. Jimmy made ALL the football decisions when he was here. Period. When that stopped he left.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't care who he was listening to, it wasn't working. There was a huge difference once Jimmy left. He wanted to be involved and he now 30 years later wears every hat in the building. How is that too much credit? Did he not hire the coaches and give his stamp of approval to every aspect starting in 94. Everything went downhill after that. We're gonna blame lacewell? lol

You’re missing my point. Jerry deserves blame because he’s the head of the snake. But you can’t have it both ways. Jerry did not let Jimmy just do what ever he wanted.

This thing we call a dynasty doesn’t happen in the 90s without Jerry and Jimmy. It just doesn’t.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No, wrong. Jimmy made ALL the football decisions when he was here. Period. When that stopped he left.

That’s not true. Jerry did not let a move happen without his approval I don’t know what you guys are talking about.

 

[Big_D]

No, that is the burden of legitimacy and credible discussion. You apply no confirming information and still remain off topic...of a group of players acquired...not drafted.

Now, how long was Jason Garrett a player and then a coach...did there appear facts of inclusion that were not here as well? No. Jason was good as a backup and he grew up in a highly intensely football involved family. He coached for 10 seasons as head coach and how many more before that. No the burden in your post is on yourself

Jimmy's knowledge of players was gone in about 4 years, if that. Very relevant as many of 'his' picks were failures as well.
That part is being ignored by the stance of he had to do it all. Failed player selection, by 'Jimmy' all by himself were included. High level of failures were there in top picks as well. How come?

I posted why I prefer Madden...I'll post that again: INTEGRITY! He had to learn everything about coaching...first after his leg was blown out as a lineman.

Don't keep on throwing at me stereotyped sidebars and then just toss something that hasn't been addressed on topic. Jimmy did a lot right...But this isn't about Jimmy. You afraid of real discussion seeking truth that can be individualized by someone seeking their own view of truth and history.

I actually detest being presented insult and expected to accept another's version of hero worship. I'm just trying to discuss the values in the posted article.
Myself, I'll give it some value as well as credibility.

I'll make up my own mind in the interim, without negative labels by some here.

I won't listen to a Jimmy stamp of approval instead, on this thread.

We already had this discussion about Garrett. LOL Just because you played football or grew up in a football family doesn't mean you're ready to step in as an OC or HC. That takes time working under other coaches, getting to see different situations and how they're handled. That's the whole point of experience. Jimmy had experience and success. If this isn't about Jimmy than you can't seem to admit that Jerry's been a complete football dunce from the second he left. That's as factual as it gets. Drafts were terrible, free agency- terrible, coaching hires- terrible. What kind of facts do you actually need? It was blatantly obvious what was happening.

 

[erod]

That’s not true. Jerry did not let a move happen without his approval I don’t know what you guys are talking about.

Jerry never said no to Jimmy, and Jerry never made a personnel decision. He didn't even know who the players were. Just stop. This isn't new information.

 

[Big_D]

That’s not true. Jerry did not let a move happen without his approval I don’t know what you guys are talking about.

Jimmy was in charge of the roster. Once Jerry tried to be "part of the fun" (actual quote) .. that was the beginning of the end. That is a fact.