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[theogt]

That would be WOLB.

Do you ever wonder how a linebacker that sometimes plays on the strong side could be called a weak side linebacker?

Anyway, you inadvertantly admitted you were wrong anyway by saying you PREFER to call it LOLB. So it's just your PREFERENCE despite the fact it's technically incorrect.


Hey, I can prefer to refer to a DE as a DT but that would be technically incorrect as well.

Actually, I stated in the beginning that there is no correct answer. Some people use the weak/strong distinction and some people use the left/right distinction. In the end, the two refer to the same position. I simply stated why I prefer to use the left/right distinction rather than the strong/weak distinction.

 

[superpunk]

Ware plays WOLB, but we line him up on the strong side sometimes?

Anyhow, I think this is just a little silly. It's a classification, a position. Just because a WR is a WR doesn't mean he can't rush the ball.

My guess is it's because you two love each other so much.

 

[Rack]

Do you ever wonder how a linebacker that sometimes plays on the strong side could be called a weak side linebacker?

I never stated he played WOLB on every down this season, did I?

If the TE motions over it makes him the SOLB... not the ROLB.


Even if you won't admit I'm right, you at least have to admit that you're wrong. I'd hope you're man enough to at least do that.

Actually, I stated in the beginning that there is no correct answer. Some people use the weak/strong distinction and some people use the left/right distinction. In the end, the two refer to the same position. I simply stated why I prefer to use the left/right distinction rather than the strong/weak distinction.

The left/right distinction can only be correct if the player never lines up opposite of that dinstinction.

Ware plays WOLB, but we line him up on the strong side sometimes?

Anyhow, I think this is just a little silly. It's a classification, a position. Just because a WR is a WR doesn't mean he can't rush the ball.

My guess is it's because you two love each other so much.

Julius Jones lined up at Slot WR sometimes, does that mean he's not our RB anymore?

I'm sure Roy Williams didn't line up at SS every play this season either, but he's still our SS. Terence Newman lined up vs slot WRs a lot last season, is he now our Nickel Back? Nope, he's still our starting CB. Ware didn't line up at WOLB every play this season (hell he played DE at times), but he's still our WOLB.

 

[theogt]

I never stated he played WOLB on every down this season, did I?

I never stated that he played LOLB on every down either, did I?

If the TE motions over it makes him the SOLB... not the ROLB.


Even if you won't admit I'm right, you at least have to admit that you're wrong. I'd hope you're man enough to at least do that.

There's neither a right nor wrong answer. I simply believe the the left/right distinction is more descriptive of a player's typical duties. Ware lines up as a DE on 3rd downs, but that didn't prevent you from saying he was a WOLB. The "WOLB" description simply means that he most often plays the WOLB position. The reason that I use left and right is because I think Ware plays ROLB more than he plays WOLB. I demonstrated why I believe this is true.

The left/right distinction can only be correct if the player never lines up opposite of that dinstinction.

I don't understand why the left/right distinction can only be correct if the player never lines up on the opposite side, but the weak/strong distinction can be correct when the player can line up on the opposite side. You're contradicting yourself. Surely you're smart enough to recognize this.

 

[Rack]

I never stated that he played LOLB on every down either, did I?

There's neither a right nor wrong answer. I simply believe the the left/right distinction is more descriptive of a player's typical duties. Ware lines up as a DE on 3rd downs, but that didn't prevent you from saying he was a WOLB. The "WOLB" description simply means that he most often plays the WOLB position. The reason that I use left and right is because I think Ware plays ROLB more than he plays WOLB. I demonstrated why I believe this is true.

I don't understand why the left/right distinction can only be correct if the player never lines up on the opposite side, but the weak/strong distinction can be correct when the player can line up on the opposite side. You're contradicting yourself. Surely you're smart enough to recognize this.

You're taking stubborn to whole new levels.



YOu notice how we got off topic? The point is Carp is an OLB (call it what you want) and can EXCEL at that position.


I can see him and Ellis sharing time at the position and Carp taking more and more PT away from him as the season progresses. Ellis will be mostly a situational player by midseason.

 

[theogt]

You're taking stubborn to whole new levels.



YOu notice how we got off topic? The point is Carp is an OLB (call it what you want) and can EXCEL at that position.


I can see him and Ellis sharing time at the position and Carp taking more and more PT away from him as the season progresses. Ellis will be mostly a situational player by midseason.

I think Carp can play both and excel at both. You asked why I thought he would be moving inside, and I told you. I've yet to see you refute a single thing I've stated. You simply get belligerent and rant about being right without actually stating anything.

In the end, it all depends on Ellis' health, which is up in the air, but as of right now it appears to me that Wade intends to move Carp inside. If we draft a second or third round OLB I think it's almost certain he'll move inside.

As for being stubborn, I've been saying all along that neither of our positions is incorrect. You're right if you call Ware's position WOLB and I'm right if I call it ROLB. Perhaps you should look in the mirror sometime and stop being so belligerent.

 

[Rack]

I think Carp can play both and excel at both. You asked why I thought he would be moving inside, and I told you. I've yet to see you refute a single thing I've stated. You simply get belligerent and rant about being right without actually stating anything.

In the end, it all depends on Ellis' health, which is up in the air, but as of right now it appears to me that Wade intends to move Carp inside. If we draft a second or third round OLB I think it's almost certain he'll move inside.

As for being stubborn, I've been saying all along that neither of our positions is incorrect. You're right if you call Ware's position WOLB and I'm right if I call it ROLB. Perhaps you should look in the mirror sometime and stop being so belligerent.

Then you weren't paying attention, Dummy.


And sorry, but you ARE wrong. I've played LB in 3 different defense on 2 different levels (No, I'm not bragging about playing football, but I'd like to think that PLAYING in different defenses would carry SOME weight) and never did a coach refer to the OLBs as "LOLB" or "ROLB". Never. Not a single time.


Now, at MSU the first season I was there our LBs WERE set (meaning we never switched sides) but he still didn't call us "LOLB" or "ROLB" he referred to us as "Thunder" and "Lightning". The second season I was there we did switch sides (depending on the offense's strong side). Thunder was the SOLB and Lightning the WOLB.

In the TUFL we ran the 3-4, 4-3, and 46 and in all those defenses we had a SOLB and a WOLB and they switched sides depending on the offense's formation.

But you want to call it "Lolb/Rolb". Fine. You're wrong, but you're entitled to call it whatever you want.

Suggestion though... just cuz they're referred to as "ROLB/LOLB" in Madden doesn't mean that's the way it is in real life.


As for me supposedly not refuting anything you said, I suggest you go back and reread my posts. Slower this time so that your 9 year old level of intelligence can comprehend.

 

[theogt]

And sorry, but you ARE wrong. I've played LB in 3 different defense on 2 different levels (No, I'm not bragging about playing football, but I'd like to think that PLAYING in different defenses would carry SOME weight) and never did a coach refer to the OLBs as "LOLB" or "ROLB". Never. Not a single time.


Now, at MSU the first season I was there our LBs WERE set (meaning we never switched sides) but he still didn't call us "LOLB" or "ROLB" he referred to us as "Thunder" and "Lightning". The second season I was there we did switch sides (depending on the offense's strong side). Thunder was the SOLB and Lightning the WOLB.

In the TUFL we ran the 3-4, 4-3, and 46 and in all those defenses we had a SOLB and a WOLB and they switched sides depending on the offense's formation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence#Anecdotal_evidence_and_faulty_logic

But you want to call it "Lolb/Rolb". Fine. You're wrong, but you're entitled to call it whatever you want.

Suggestion though... just cuz they're referred to as "ROLB/LOLB" in Madden doesn't mean that's the way it is in real life.

You should e-mail the Dallas Cowboys, because they're obviously wrong too:

http://dallascowboys.com/team_depthChart.cfm

Please, inform them of their ignorance, almighty, all-knowing Rack.

 

[Rack]

I've never claimed to be "all knowing". Just that I know more then you. Admittedly, that's not saying much.

 

[theogt]

I've never claimed to be "all knowing". Just that I know more then you. Admittedly, that's not saying much.

I'll take that as "Rack" for, "Holy crap I've been owned."

 

[Rack]

By the way, that depth chart is useless. It has TO listed as LWR and Terry Glenn as the RWR.

Not only is that wrong in that TO doesn't exclusively play LWR, but there's actually a difference between their position. One is the Flanker the other is a Split End (please tell me you understand the difference).


So should we start referring to TO as the LWR cuz that's what that depth chart has him listed as?

 

[Rack]

I'll take that as "Rack" for, "Holy crap I've been owned."

Someone needs to explain to you the meaning of the word "Owned".


Although if you weren't an ignorant fool you'd know by now since I've owned your sorry arse in pretty much every debate we've had for over a year.


Terrell Owens ... our starting LWR.

 

[theogt]

Someone needs to explain to you the meaning of the word "Owned".


Although if you weren't an ignorant fool you'd know by now since I've owned your sorry arse in pretty much every debate we've had for over a year.


Terrell Owens ... our starting LWR.

After you e-mail the Cowboys, forward it on over to the Ravens:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/depthChart.jsp

Oh, and the New York Jets:

http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/depth_chart/

Hey, you should probably also correct the League itself, because they're wrong too:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/NE

Gosh, Rack. You've got a lot of work ahead of you educating all of these people.

 

[Rack]

After you e-mail the Cowboys, forward it on over to the Ravens:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/depthChart.jsp

Oh, and the New York Jets:

http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/depth_chart/

Hey, you should probably also correct the League itself, because they're wrong too:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/NE

Gosh, Rack. You've got a lot of work ahead of you educating all of these people.

I guess they're right...


These guys must be wrong, huh?


Broncos


Texans


Cards



Falcons


Panthers


Bears


Lions


Saints


Giants



Eagles


Rams


Skins


A couple of the teams depth charts wouldn't load. A few others said "Check back with us during training camp 2007". Other said "LLB/RLB". A lot of them just said "OLB".

Gosh, Rack. You've got a lot of work ahead of you educating all of these people.

Learning anything yet?

 

[theogt]

Maybe you forgot already Rack, but I've been saying all along that both weak/strong and left/right are correct usages.

You're the one that's been claiming that only one is correct and that the other is incorrect. Go ahead. Let all of those teams that use the left/right distinction know they're incorrect. I'm sure they'll be happy to hear from you and will quickly update their websites.

Spread your knowledge. Inform those idiots at the NFL. They don't know crap about football. After all, I'm sure none of them played for MSU or semi-pro ball.

 

[the kid 05]

i thought linebackers were called sam, mike, and something else

 

[Rack]

Maybe you forgot already Rack, but I've been saying all along that both weak/strong and left/right are correct usages.

You're the one that's been claiming that only one is correct and that the other is incorrect. Go ahead. Let all of those teams that use the left/right distinction know they're incorrect. I'm sure they'll be happy to hear from you and will quickly update their websites.

Spread your knowledge. Inform those idiots at the NFL. They don't know crap about football. After all, I'm sure none of them played for MSU or semi-pro ball.

Tell me... who do you think does those depth charts? A coach? GM? Some guy hired cuz he knows html, ftp, and all that stuff?

So now a web geek knows the difference between a LOLB and a SOLB?

Apparently not.

But the depth chart says "LOLB" so it MUST be correct usage, right?

Just like LWR and RWR are correct usage too, huh?


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i thought linebackers were called sam, mike, and something else

They are.

In theogt's little madden world, LOLB is the same as SOLB or some crap. He's wrong. Most people here know he's wrong.

Oh well, I'm tired of trying to get through to him. He doesn't want to learn. Not my problem.

 

[theogt]

i thought linebackers were called sam, mike, and something else

Some 4-3 teams call their linebackers Sam, Mike, and Will. Linebackers can be called all sorts of things. There is no single, correct terminology.

 

[the kid 05]

ah, just like they call wr flaker, slot, and th eother one that symbolizes the guy on thats closes to the o/b and on th eline

 

[theogt]

They are.

In theogt's little madden world, LOLB is the same as SOLB or some crap. He's wrong. Most people here know he's wrong.

Oh well, I'm tired of trying to get through to him. He doesn't want to learn. Not my problem.

I don't play Madden. I haven't played it in about 10 years. I haven't the slightest idea what they're called on Madden.

I don't think you'll find a single poster here that will agree with you that calling Ware's position ROLB is incorrect. I dare you to find a single poster that will agree.