49ers Player Has Brutally Honest Admission On Dak Prescott

[Acceptablename]

Yet you disappear when he plays well.

He’s hardly the only one but of course he does disappear. However slowly I’m becoming a hater too

 

[diamonddelts]

Hey, junior you haven't been here long enough to be in a position to have a valid opinion of the PAPPYDOG which just to clarify I am totally indifferent about for reasons I'm pretty sure you can figure out.
P.S. Don't expect another response as I have given you enough time which frankly you haven't earned!

He’s hardly the only one but of course he does disappear. However slowly I’m becoming a hater too

I understand. Staubach and Aikman were as cool as ice under pressure. We got spoiled with those two. Yet they were followed up by Romo and Dak who are perennial chokers.

 

[Acceptablename]

I understand. Staubach and Aikman were as cool as ice under pressure. We got spoiled with those two. Yet they were followed up by Romo and Dak who are perennial chokers.

Yeah it just takes you into a false sense of security Waiting for their development. Then one day you see their ceiling is not very high and the weight isn’t nearly worth it

 

[Kevinicus]

He's closer to the LOS than Schultz and Schultz is 4 yards from the LOS.
CD is running parallel to the LOS towards the sideline with 2 defenders ready to tackle him .

No way he gets easy 8 yards. This ain't Madden.

Watch again.

 

[Zman5]

Watch again.

I already did many times. I think it's you who needs to watch it again.

Ball just inside the 18 Yard line.

CeeDee just inside 22yard line running parallel to LOS running toward sidelines with 2 defenders standing nearby. So where is this "Easy" 8 yards?

 

[Kevinicus]

I already did many times. I think it's you who needs to watch it again.

Ball just inside the 18 Yard line.

CeeDee just inside 22yard line running parallel to LOS running toward sidelines with 2 defenders standing nearby. So where is this "Easy" 8 yards?

1. He's not running parallel, he is angling slightly upfield.
2. the closes, and fastest defender is going the opposite direction. He's not making a play.
3. The other defender is a LB four yards away that CD is going AWAY from. He is not headed in the direction CD is yet.
You're acting like CD is stationary, that the defenders are in good position, and that existing momentum doesn't exist.

A ball to the outside that CD can catch in stride, slightly upfield, and he catches it around the 23 or 24. His momentum will take him to about the 25 before going out of bounds, or when the LB can finally get over to him (if CD manages to stay in bounds and get more than 8, possibly a first down).
The idiot option is to dump it off to the slower, stopped TE, that's facing back towards the LoS and has a linebacker with momentum in his direction just a couple of yards away.

CD is the clear cut decision to make here. And it's not close.
The only OTHER option is Zeke in the flat, but that's likely not going for as much.
Your pictures support my position. Thank you for posting them. Funny you mentioned pass rush in your first response considering these images.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Think its the OC who doesn't understand Zone coverage.

 

[Chuck 54]

You mean like this pathetic play where all the receivers run right to the defenders then just turn around. The defenders are looking right at Dak to jump the route as the receivers run toward them. This has to be the worst play to run when defense is playing zone with their eyes toward the QB.

The risk taken to get 4 yards is not worth it. We've been running this play multiple times a game since JG days as OC/HC.

The biggest problem with this and with all receivers running deep is there is no progression? If the first guy you look at is covered, what do you expect to see by the time you look at the next guy. Every progression should have a 2 second route and routes that progress slower. You want each route at its optimum point as the QB goes through the progression.

 

[Zman5]

1. He's not running parallel, he is angling slightly upfield.
2. the closes, and fastest defender is going the opposite direction. He's not making a play.
3. The other defender is a LB four yards away that CD is going AWAY from. He is not headed in the direction CD is yet.
You're acting like CD is stationary, that the defenders are in good position, and that existing momentum doesn't exist.

A ball to the outside that CD can catch in stride, slightly upfield, and he catches it around the 23 or 24. His momentum will take him to about the 25 before going out of bounds, or when the LB can finally get over to him (if CD manages to stay in bounds and get more than 8, possibly a first down).
The idiot option is to dump it off to the slower, stopped TE, that's facing back towards the LoS and has a linebacker with momentum in his direction just a couple of yards away.

CD is the clear cut decision to make here. And it's not close.
The only OTHER option is Zeke in the flat, but that's likely not going for as much.
Your pictures support my position. Thank you for posting them. Funny you mentioned pass rush in your first response considering these images.

LOL. Get your eyes checked and watch the play again. Look where CeeDee ends up on the play. It's nowhere near 8 yards from the LOS.

Had the ball been thrown his way the defender would have been right on him just like the defender that almost intercepted the ball on the play.

 

[khiladi]

Really? I was told I don't know what I was talking about.

 

[khiladi]

This is a stupid take and I don't even want to defend dak but he literally destroyed the eagles zone defense less than a month ago.

"Per @NextGenStats, Dak Prescott went 24-for-24 for 300 yards when Eagles played zone. Eagles defense allowed points (4 TDs, 4 FGs) on 8 of 10 Cowboys possessions. Eagles’ 2nd-worst defensive performance of the season, based on EPA per drive."

You guys like to take anomalies over the full career. Dak has been complete garbage against zone through-out his career.

Moore basically starting running quick hitters and shallow crossing routes this year, dumbing down the processing time for Dak. If you look at the passing chart, at leatst 5 of his passes were behind the LOS and multiple were shallow throws over the middle.

 

[Starstruck22]

Speaking to NinersNation.com, Jimmie Ward said straight up: "Dak isn't good against zone."



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...sedgntp&cvid=67775f4d4bb342f580741ab5dbb939db

Dak isnt good against wide open receivers which happens every play. He is feckless and actually stupid.

 

[khiladi]

You mean like this pathetic play where all the receivers run right to the defenders then just turn around. The defenders are looking right at Dak to jump the route as the receivers run toward them. This has to be the worst play to run when defense is playing zone with their eyes toward the QB.

The risk taken to get 4 yards is not worth it. We've been running this play multiple times a game since JG days as OC/HC.

Again, clueless that he has a receiver wide open in the flat on a 1st and 10. Dak is staring down his WR from the snap. You can't blame KM for it no matter how you wanna spin it, because the option is there.

Dak has been doing thise throw all year long. It's Dak that is the mental midget.

 

[Zman5]

1. No, the LBs actually dropped back in coverage on a 3rd and 10 after showing they were playing up.
2. Zeke was wide open in the flat, meaning Dak should have recognized this immediately as the LBs dropped back.
3. Dak is basically running right into the back of his OL staring down his WRs, having ZERO recognition of the LBs from the start.

Go look at the images i posted above. LBs did not drop back 10 yards. More like 5 yards.

And you are just going to pretend there was no pass rush now?

What you say Might have become true if he didn't have any rushers bearing down on him. Too bad that wasn't the case.

 

[khiladi]

So you are just going to pretend there was no pass rush now?

What you say Might have become true if he didn't have any rushers bearing down on him. Too bad that wasn't the case.

I actually just realized this was the almost pick 6, so I changed my response. He did the same thing on the play discussed in the thread abot Kellen Moore and the curl routes.

In both cases, he had Zeke wide open in the flat on the right and 11, in this play. Dak in the same quarter completely ignores the options given by Moore if the other receivers are covered, because he fixates on where he is going.

And what are you are talking about? Dak is sitting clean in this pocket and he fires this throw right away. Dak is the champion at staring down his WRs.

I've been saying these things for years.

 

[Zman5]

I actually just realized this was the almost pick 6, so I changed my response. He did the same thing on the play discussed in the thread abot Kellen Moore and the curl routes.

In both cases, he had Zeke wide open in the flat on the right and 11, in this play. Dak in the same quarter completely ignores the options given by Moore if the other receivers are covered, because he fixates on where he is going.

And what are you are talking about? Dak is sitting clean in this pocket and he fires this throw right away. Dak is the champion at staring down his WRs.

I've been saying these things for years.

Go look at the images i posted above. Where is this clean pocket you are speaking of?

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[khiladi]

So it's Moore's fault Dak sucks against zone. What was the excuse in 2018 when Linehan was the play-caller?

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com...-amari-cooper-face-challenge-with-colts-zone/

Having Cooper as a weapon against man defenses has improved the entire offense, as Prescott’s game has been elevated to new heights against man defenses, including a 48-point jump in IQR.

	Comp %	Y/A	TD	INT	IQR
Pre Amari	52%	6.2	3	3	71
With Amari	61%	8.8	8	1	119

Despite this massive jump in production against man defense, Prescott has not had nearly as much success against a zone defense and his IQR has dropped from 100 to 84 with Cooper on the roster. Though he has an 80 percent completion percentage versus zones, it’s almost entirely short-pass based. He has no touchdowns and two interceptions on 91 attempts

It will be interesting to see if the Colts zone-heavy defensive scheme will be the answer to finally stopping Prescott and Cooper this weekend.

And the Cowboys got shut-out by the Colts that week and after that game, Dak couldn't find Amari the rest of the year. As I said multiple times, the reason Dak didn't notch INTs is because he was extremely conservative against zone coverages in the past. He retained a high completion percentage, but he would just dink and dunk. If you take into account prevent, his numbers would be worse generally. The fact is 2020 was a course in Dak befor he got injured, as teams just went soft zone coverages and played the time, and allowed Dak to pad stats. But when the time was close, they tightened up and Dak was awful in the last 5 minutes of games, with his like 40 QBR ration and less than 5 YPA, 0 TDs and like 2 INTs.

Now that Moore has tried to get him to throw against it, with the "aggressive approach", you are beginning to see all these INTs and pick 6s.

He CAN'T READ THE FIELD AS HE PROCESSES TOO SLOW and Moore is forced to play at a faster pace so he can send in plays to Dak on the cadece, after the defense shows it's look.

 

[khiladi]

Go look at the images i posted above. Where is this clean pocket you are speaking of?

That's clean by any measure of a QB in the NFL... Every OL is in between the defender and Dak and has their man contained and he can step through. And like I said, the actual play, Dak is staring his receiver down from the snap and doesn't look at any other read. Pressure had zero to do with Dak's horrible play here.

 

[Zman5]

That's clean by any measure of a QB in the NFL... Every OL is in between the defender and Dak and has their man contained and he can step through. And like I said, the actual play, Dak is staring his receiver down from the snap and doesn't look at any other read. Pressure had zero to do with Dak's horrible play here.

So are you saying Romo sucked too? LOL.

He had issues running this play also and I've been pointing out how lousy this play is for 12 years. You sound just like the Romo bashers that used to blame him.

 

[khiladi]

So are you saying Romo sucked too? LOL.

He had issues running this play also and I've been pointing out how lousy this play is for 12 years.

You are just giving vague responses that aren't dealing with the play at hand. SItuationally, Dak had options here. Teams used to play deep against Romo, because they were deadly afraid of his arm, but Garrett couldn't field a running game to save his life.