49ers trade WR Lloyd to Commanders for draft picks

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Hostile said:
:lmao2:

Bear, when you growl, it cracks me up.

Actually, Hos, right now I'm very much in tongue in cheek mode... I'm feeling good, feeling silly, think I might have a little Nyquil buzz goin' on...

Jus' stirrin' the fecal matter, if you will... wonder if he'll take the bait??

Of course he will... the homers are the easiest...
 

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silverbear said:
So, your logic is that he'll be more productive as a number two receiver than as a number one??

Even if I gave you that rather shaky theory, that still doesn't address the disdain the average Niners fan seems to feel for him these days, the rep for dropping too many passes, the consistent sub-.500 percentage of the balls thrown at him that he's caught, or the reported unwillingness to go over the middle...

All of these are separate from the production issue... all of these are reason to be amused when it is suggested that Lloyd ought to be as productive as Moss is for the Skins, because Moss and he had similar stats their final seasons before they joined the Skins...

What kind of fekokteh logic is that??

The stats don't lie, son... I know you THINK he's this brilliant playmaker, but the truth is, the numbers show that he makes a few plays, but not all that many... you just don't seem to be able to back this opinion up with any solid facts...

ok, first off, just because a number one reciever os going somewhere to be a number two reciever doesnt mean that he HAS to have a reduction in production(haha didnt mean for that to rhyme).

lets think about moss for a minutes. He had nearly 1500 yards recieving last year. A lot of those yards came in the first half of the season. Early in the season, teams didnt focus on moss as much, because teams didnt think he could be a playmaker. After moss started putting up the numbers, he was the focus of a teams gameplan. After he got the focus of a pass coverage, his production, for the most part, reduced. So, most likely, I think we can all agree that he will not have another 1500 yard year. Personally, I think that he will have somewhere between 1000-1200 yards recieving this year; thats reasonable.

So, with moss lossing anywhere from 300 to 500 yards, that leaves room for someone else to produce. Oh, lets say maybe brandon lloyd.

The fact is, Lloyd will get the ball in our offense, and he SHOULD be productive. Now, maybe he wont be a 1000 yard reciever(only one team in the league had two 1000 yard recievers last year), but it is very possible for him to get 700-800 yards recieving next year. And for us, that would be very productive for a #2 reciever. We dont need him to come in and be a star. All we need him to do is be a role player. Come in and take pressure off of moss and make an occasional big play.

And for what we needed, I think that lloyd was a good pickup for the type of needs that we needed.

Also, if you have a player that says that he doesnt like an organiation, and wants out, of course fans are going to think poorly of him. Hell, the face of our franchise, a player who was beloved by everyone, just left, and some people are even talking badly of him. I cant help but think that some, not all of course, of that talk is coming from these thoughts of lloyd
 

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silverbear said:
Actually, Hos, right now I'm very much in tongue in cheek mode... I'm feeling good, feeling silly, think I might have a little Nyquil buzz goin' on...

Jus' stirrin' the fecal matter, if you will... wonder if he'll take the bait??

Of course he will... the homers are the easiest...

Ok corn pone...

I'm not saying Lloyd is the next Art Monk. He just has to be a good #2. He's improved every year he's been in the league. No ones expecting him to be Santana Moss II.

Not only that, but the rest of your cowboy bretheren on here admit that it's a good signing. Why can't you?

Oh, wait...

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This is a very good move for the Commanders.

He sure tore the Cowboys a New one last year with No problem!

Again Good move by them...That's why we need to sign Owens if given the chance!:D
 

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Lloyd is soft and afraid to go over the middle he made a few spectacular catches but not worth a 3rd round pick.
 

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Only a homer would say this isn't a GREAT move by the Commanders.

They get a guy who is a #1 WR in the NFL who had over 700 yards and 5 tds playing with the two of the worst QBs in the NFL last year on the worst offense in the league. I think that's pretty dang impressive.

If we needed a starting WR as badly as the Skins do, and were able to pair a guy like Lloyd with Santana Moss for a 3rd round pick this year and a 4th round pick next year, we'd jump all over it and the Dallas board would be thrilled.

We struck gold with Canty in round 4 last year, but in recent history, those 3rd and 4th round picks haven't produced crap for us...heck, we've spent 2nd round picks on guys like Jacob Rogers, Al Johnson, Gurode, Bryant, Page, Goodrich, etc....So don't tell me a starting WR who's proven to be even average in the NFL isn't worth this year's #3 and next year's #4...ridiculous.
 

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wayne_motley said:
Only a homer would say this isn't a GREAT move by the Commanders.

They get a guy who is a #1 WR in the NFL who had over 700 yards and 5 tds playing with the two of the worst QBs in the NFL last year on the worst offense in the league. I think that's pretty dang impressive.

If we needed a starting WR as badly as the Skins do, and were able to pair a guy like Lloyd with Santana Moss for a 3rd round pick this year and a 4th round pick next year, we'd jump all over it and the Dallas board would be thrilled.

We struck gold with Canty in round 4 last year, but in recent history, those 3rd and 4th round picks haven't produced crap for us...heck, we've spent 2nd round picks on guys like Jacob Rogers, Al Johnson, Gurode, Bryant, Page, Goodrich, etc....So don't tell me a starting WR who's proven to be even average in the NFL isn't worth this year's #3 and next year's #4...ridiculous.

I notice you didn't throw Carter in there.

Or was he the etc...:D
 

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ConcordCowboy said:
I notice you didn't throw Carter in there.

Or was he the etc...:D
lmao....he should be the etc...actually, I wrote his name first, but then tried to go in chronological order and forgot about him...easily forgotten.
 
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We needed a #2 WR, we got him. He wont be anything spectacular...like he wont change a game or anything, but he'll get the job done and keep the focus off of Moss.
 

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We dont need Lloyd to really do anything here next year. As long as he is a presence, he will open up the passing game and the running game.
 

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Taylor_Can_Hit21 said:
We needed a #2 WR, we got him. He wont be anything spectacular...like he wont change a game or anything, but he'll get the job done and keep the focus off of Moss.

Agreed. The guy can play. As you said, not spectacular, but he's capable of a big game.

The bottom line comes down to whether or not the move is an upgrade. I can barely even recall your Nos. 2 and 3 receivers last year they were so unproductive, so I certainly consider this an improvement.
 

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Dale said:
Agreed. The guy can play. As you said, not spectacular, but he's capable of a big game.

The bottom line comes down to whether or not the move is an upgrade. I can barely even recall your Nos. 2 and 3 receivers last year they were so unproductive, so I certainly consider this an improvement.

His play overally hasnt been spectacular, but his potential is and thats why we are trying to tap into.
 

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This is a very good move for the Commanders.

He sure tore the Cowboys a New one last year with No problem!

Again Good move by them...That's why we need to sign Owens if given the chance!:D
Why? Does TO play CB now and he can guard Lloyd? :laugh2:
 

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wayne_motley said:
They get a guy who is a #1 WR in the NFL who had over 700 yards and 5 tds playing with the two of the worst QBs in the NFL last year on the worst offense in the league. I think that's pretty dang impressive.

LOL, yet last year was his best year ever. There are plenty of #2 recievers who put up better stats than that, and Lloyd's a 1 in SF. He's 6-0, 184 - and he is not fast. He's an undersized possession receiver, who is among the worst in the league when it comes to draopping catchable balls. He will make some acrobatic - sportscenter - catches. But he'll drop plenty, too. It was a good pickup by the Skins, but he's a mediocre receiver. That's all they need, but they did indeed overpay.
 

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LOL, yet last year was his best year ever. There are plenty of #2 recievers who put up better stats than that, and Lloyd's a 1 in SF. He's 6-0, 184 - and he is not fast. He's an undersized possession receiver, who is among the worst in the league when it comes to draopping catchable balls. He will make some acrobatic - sportscenter - catches. But he'll drop plenty, too. It was a god pickup by the Skins, but he's a mediocre receiver. That's all they need, but they did indeed overpay.

Coupled with the fact that he's clashed with coaches in SF, he sounds like Antonio Bryant lite. I guess that doesn't speak well for Bryant when they could have had him without giving up any draft picks. He's arguably more talented, as fast or faster, taller and more proven. I believe SF is supposed to have a visit planned with Bryant.

I have a feeling SF isn't shedding any tears over his departure. You don't give someone a 1st round tender then let him walk for a couple of lower picks if you want him around. That sounds like someone setting the price for a house at above market value, hoping for a higher initial offer but willing to take far less than the asking price in the end.
 

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DLK150 said:
Coupled with the fact that he's clashed with coaches in SF, he sounds like Antonio Bryant lite. I guess that doesn't speak well for Bryant when they could have had him without giving up any draft picks. He's arguably more talented, as fast or faster, taller and more proven. I believe SF is supposed to have a visit planned with Bryant.

I have a feeling SF isn't shedding any tears over his departure. You don't give someone a 1st round tender then let him walk for a couple of lower picks if you want him around. That sounds like someone setting the price for a house at above market value, hoping for a higher initial offer but willing to take far less than the asking price in the end.

Nice comparison. They're the exact same player, cept AB has much more physical talent. If you're 6-0, 184, you better be fast. Lloyd is not. He's a possession receiver that drops easy passes, but makes spectacular catches. A good comparison would be Rod Gardner, as well. Except Lloyd is much too small.

Mind you I like the move, if Lloyd had been a UFA, I'd have wanted him here. But he's noone worth giving up draft picks for. So, IMO, Skins overpaid.

And once they give him an extension, they will no doubt overpay - again.:muttley:
 

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big dog cowboy said:
Why? Does TO play CB now and he can guard Lloyd? :laugh2:

I think it's Obvious...They need a WR and they go out and get not one but two Now.

We need a WR and Haven't gotten one yet...But when Owens is Free...We get the best of them all!:D
 
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