Drafted by Cowboys 4th Round Pick 128 RB Tony Pollard Memphis

[Sydla]

Let me speak to you real slow, if the guy you take helps you win. It doesn't matter where he's taken because of some dumb draft grade, you win on the field, not by how much value you have, again that's the dumbest logic I've heard. Yes it's you it's very dumb.

OK, so what if we took Pollard at 58 because, "hey, he's our guy"?

Value in the draft has more importance than you claim. It's why a team that really likes a player that they think they can get in the 5th round isn't taken in the 2nd round to guarantee they get that player.

 

[Dre11]

OK, so what if we took Pollard at 58 because, "hey, he's our guy"?

If he comes in and helps you win, and that's who they want and felt he could do what you want, I don't care where he picked, again from a real scout in the war room
Check out @dallascowboys's Tweet: 30:50

 

[Sydla]

If he comes in and helps you win, and that's who they want and felt he could do what you want, I don't care where he picked, again from a real scout in the war room
Check out @dallascowboys's Tweet: 30:50

This doesn't really refute the point being made. "value" has a place in a draft. To say it doesn't is idiotic. It's why teams don't draft guys they can get in the 6th or 7th round, in the 2nd or first round.

I have no idea if the Cowboys overdrafted Pollard in the 4th or not. But to suggest that there is no value in "value" in the draft is kind of stupid.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Lol....this is great timing as well from a real scout ,not some freelance fan writer.

30:50
Maybe I should speak even slower for you.....lol

Check out @dallascowboys's Tweet:

...this didnt help you at all hahahha

 

[Dre11]

This doesn't really refute the point being made. "value" has a place in a draft. To say it doesn't is idiotic. It's why teams don't draft guys they can get in the 6th or 7th round, in the 2nd or first round.

I have no idea if the Cowboys overdrafted Pollard in the 4th or not. But to suggest that there is no value in "value" in the draft is kind of stupid.

It most certainly does refute how Scouts and teams view value, and the conversation wasn't about whether or not by you has a place it was about whether or not value wins on the field. Whether or not a player can play and help you has nothing to do with value. Ezekiel Elliott Travis Frederick 2 of the biggest examples

 

[Dre11]

...this didnt help you at all hahahha

Obviously you didn't listen to it because the Scout told you the way they value players is different then fans, other teams ,and people that put together top 100 list. He also agree with Newton downplaying value, and agreed with getting in position to take the player you want for your team, I'll say it again value don't win you any games.

 

[Dre11]

...this didnt help you at all hahahha

30:50 to about 40:00

 

[Dre11]

This doesn't really refute the point being made. "value" has a place in a draft. To say it doesn't is idiotic. It's why teams don't draft guys they can get in the 6th or 7th round, in the 2nd or first round.

I have no idea if the Cowboys overdrafted Pollard in the 4th or not. But to suggest that there is no value in "value" in the draft is kind of stupid.

30:50 to about 40:00

 

[Sydla]

It most certainly does refute how Scouts and teams view value, and the conversation wasn't about whether or not by you has a place it was about whether or not value wins on the field. Whether or not a player can play and help you has nothing to do with value. Ezekiel Elliott Travis Frederick 2 of the biggest examples

It does not.

His overriding point is the teams and scouts don't build a ranking of players from 1 to 25, or 1 to 50. But they absolutely slot players into rounds. Crap, we've seen the in the past that the Cowboys draft board has been leaked and they have guys bunched up by the round they think they will go.......... ergo, they put a value on a player. In other words, they wouldn't draft Pollard in the 2nd round even though they liked him, but they would entertain him in the 4th because that's where they saw his ranking/value.

The Cowboys wanted Pollard but they wouldn't use their 2nd or 3rd on him because they believed they could get two better players at those spots and then get the value in Pollard in the 4th.

Value can translate onto the field. Because if you take a guy with a 6th round value in the 2nd round and pass up a real 2nd round player, you might be costing yourself TWO good players. Hence the concept of value and how it translates to the roster. Put it another way. If we take Dak Prescott in the 2nd round, we cost ourselves Jaylon Smith and it's unlikely that the guy we would have taken in Dak's spot in the 4th would turn out jsut as good as Smith. Are we a better team with Prescott and some schlub in the 4th round or better with Smith AND Prescott?

 

[CowboyGil]

Lol. Look at his clips. 4.3 speed jumps out at you. He doesn’t have 4.3 speed.

you can eyeball 2 tenths of a second? Wow, you're good.

 

[Prime21]

Kinda reminds me of Demarco Murray. Smaller obviously. Better receiver not quite the ball carrier. Perfect change up for Zeke.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

OK, so what if we took Pollard at 58 because, "hey, he's our guy"?

Value in the draft has more importance than you claim. It's why a team that really likes a player that they think they can get in the 5th round isn't taken in the 2nd round to guarantee they get that player.

So what are you using as your point of reference for “value?”

Internet draft sites?

 

[Dre11]

It does not.

His overriding point is the teams and scouts don't build a ranking of players from 1 to 25, or 1 to 50. But they absolutely slot players into rounds. Crap, we've seen the in the past that the Cowboys draft board has been leaked and they have guys bunched up by the round they think they will go.......... ergo, they put a value on a player. In other words, they wouldn't draft Pollard in the 2nd round even though they liked him, but they would entertain him in the 4th because that's where they saw his ranking/value.

The Cowboys wanted Pollard but they wouldn't use their 2nd or 3rd on him because they believed they could get two better players at those spots and then get the value in Pollard in the 4th.

Value can translate onto the field. Because if you take a guy with a 6th round value in the 2nd round and pass up a real 2nd round player, you might be costing yourself TWO good players. Hence the concept of value and how it translates to the roster. Put it another way. If we take Dak Prescott in the 2nd round, we cost ourselves Jaylon Smith and it's unlikely that the guy we would have taken in Dak's spot in the 4th would turn out jsut as good as Smith. Are we a better team with Prescott and some schlub in the 4th round or better with Smith AND Prescott?

In no way does value translate to the field, we picked players that can play, Zeke and Frederick were both considered reaches, so are you saying we're better without them because they didn't get the perceived value ? He basically said they draft players they want or the best player period that fit their team. Picking Smith in the 2nd wasn't considered value by people because it wasn't clear he would ever play again turns out his value at the time had nothing to do with his play on the field. Same with Zeke and Frederick.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

In no way does value translate to the field, we picked players that can play, Zeke and Frederick were both considered reaches, so are you saying we're better without them because they didn't get the perceived value ? He basically said they draft players they want or the best player period that fit their team. Picking Smith in the 2nd wasn't considered value by people because it wasn't clear he would ever play again turns out his value at the time had nothing to do with his play on the field. Same with Zeke and Frederick.

Mo Claiborne and Taco were "our guys". So since they were our guys they helped us win many games right?

That's the exact logic you're using. And you're using it on a player that you're claiming was a reach, Zeke, when he unanimously wasn't considered a reach at all. Yikes. Grasping. At. Straws.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Kinda reminds me of Demarco Murray. Smaller obviously. Better receiver not quite the ball carrier. Perfect change up for Zeke.

So if they aren't comparable in running ability, receiving ability, or stature, how exactly do they remind you of each other.

 

[Dre11]

So what are you using as your point of reference for “value?”

Internet draft sites?

It's a farce,

Mo Claiborne and Taco were "our guys". So since they were our guys they helped us win many games right?

That's the exact logic you're using. And you're using it on a player that you're claiming was a reach, Zeke, when he unanimously wasn't considered a reach at all. Yikes. Grasping. At. Straws.

Again, you don't understand winning football, yes they were our guys, but they COULDN'T PLAY, but you didn't know that until they got on the field. Zeke and Frederick were our guys too who was considered bad value, how that turn out? How a player plays has nothing to do with value, its ignorant to think so

 

[Sydla]

So what are you using as your point of reference for “value?”

Internet draft sites?

There doesn't have to be a point of reference here.

It's pretty logical thinking. No team would take a player in the 2nd round that they put a 6th round value on. If the Cowboys draft board was leaked like it has in the past, I suspect there's zero chance the Cowboys had a 2nd round grade on Pollard.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It's a farce,


Again, you don't understand winning football, yes they were our guys, but they COULDN'T PLAY, but you didn't know that until they got on the field. Zeke and Frederick were our guys too who was considered bad value, how that turn out? How a player plays has nothing to do with value, its ignorant to think so

It's obvious from this post you don't even understand english, let alone a smidge about football.

This is your worst post yet. Makes zero sense.
"How a player plays has nothing to do with value" ahh man. Bless your heart.

This isn't going to go anywhere. No point continuing on for another three pages. Toodaloo

 

[Dre11]

It's obvious from this post you don't even understand english, let alone a smidge about football.

This is your worst post yet. Makes zero sense.

This isn't going to go anywhere. No point continuing on for another three pages. Toodaloo

the classic bail post...lol

doesn't surprise me it went right over your head...lol

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

doesn't surprise me it went right over your head...lol

Doesn't surprise me that that's your counter...lol
Bless your heart