7 Sacks Broken Down

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Alexander said:
We have all seen the one where Sua-Filo fell on his butt. Yep. That's one.

Then you get into a gray area.

So 3 or 4 out of 7? So nearly half are his fault? And good luck trying to figure out the line calls on all of them. Even the one where Collins mugged his man, he had plenty of time to make a decision but didn't.

That is some how acceptable?

And let's not even bother to get into the fact that he has fumbled more than any other player in the league.

That is solely on him.
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Isn't the Dallas OL some of the highest paid in the NFL and all taken relatively high in the draft? Yeah, I am going to blame them instead of the 4th round throw away pick making $1.50 a game.

If Dak starts making Romo money...then we can revisit this conversation. Until then, I need the OL to play up to their contract...Dak is playing up to his.
 
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Alexander said:
We have all seen the one where Sua-Filo fell on his butt. Yep. That's one.

Then you get into a gray area.

So 3 or 4 out of 7? So nearly half are his fault? And good luck trying to figure out the line calls on all of them. Even the one where Collins mugged his man, he had plenty of time to make a decision but didn't.

That is some how acceptable?

And let's not even bother to get into the fact that he has fumbled more than any other player in the league.

That is solely on him.
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lol.

he did make a decision on the Collins one...he was throwing and was hit as he threw.
 
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Ken said:
I mean...i agree...2.5 seconds is quick though. I think 3 seconds...do something else.
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At a young age most QBs are taught you have 3 seconds, in other words you have to make a decision. That decision can be made in second 1, or second 2 or second 3 but it has to be made. if you are still trying to formulate a decision by second 2.5 you have not made a decision at all. 3 Step drops has the ball out in less than 2 seconds usually.
 

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https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/intentional-grounding/
INTENTIONAL GROUNDING
It is a foul for intentional grounding if a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. A realistic chance of completion is defined as a pass that is thrown in the direction of and lands in the vicinity of an originally eligible receiver.​

Item 1. Passer or Ball Outside Tackle Position.
Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, who is outside, or has been outside, the tackle position,throws a forward pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage
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One of the advantages of having Dak roll out.

It's still not like you can't throw the ball away when you're in the pocket. Throw 5 feet over the head of a guy on the sideline. That's not gonna get called.
 
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Ken said:
Since everyone LOVES to blame Dak that he is holding the ball too long and it is all his fault...let's take a look at the 7:

1st: 3rd and 5 at NO 5; No where to go with the ball, DT breaks free in under 3 seconds, Makes contact with Dak 3.06 seconds. There was no one open and those that claim he had Zeke coming across the front, not open until he is about to get hit and Dak has already pulled it down. COVERAGE SACK. OL blocking was ok...not great.

2nd 3rd and 6- Sacked in 2.5 seconds. Sua Fila got beat bad. Had no chance at all. NOT DAKS FAULT.

3rd: 2nd and 6- Cowboys go empty set motioning Zeke out wide. N.O. goes looks to be man cover 2... Total coverage sack here as Dak had no where to go with the ball....at all. Sacked in 3.92 seconds. Started running at about 3.3 seconds and almost made it back to LOS. COVERAGE SACK. OL was good.

4th: 3rd and 7: This is the play where he pulls it down and gets the ball hit out of his hand by the defender in 2.3 seconds. Sua Fila got completely destroyed and pushed back into Dak in that amount of time. NOT HIS FAULT. OL was terrible.

5th- 1st and 10- Dak Sacked in 2.5 seconds. Protection was horrible as they brought a delayed blitz by the lb and he came running free on a stunt. Little chance for Dak to do anything. Don't have coaches film for this one so I can't see all of the options...may have had a crossing route with a bit more time. NOT DAK'S FAULT. Didn't Hold the ball to long. Limited option to dump to if any.

6th: 2nd and 8. Dak bails on a pretty good pocket in under 2 seconds. Not sure if this was a run try by Dak but this was the play Dak got facemasked with no call. If he stayed in the pocket, had Beasley in the flat where he was looking initially. On DAK as he ran into that sack (Do wonder if he was trying to run though)

7th: Sacked in 2.61 seconds. Fumbled trying to pass...can't see if he had a play without coaches film.

Horrible Protection!!! Not Dak's fault.


So 1 out of 7 can be directly attributed to Dak. The other's are a poor OL or Coverage Sacks.

Please stop repeating the stupid mantra that they are Dak's fault. Thank you.
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Dak is VERY lazy protecting the ball which leads to fumbles

He needs to clean it up and it is his fault

He is already VERY limited as a QB and cannot out the team in these bad situations
 

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percyhoward said:
PFF basically agrees with the OP

Su'a-Filo 5 pressures (3 sacks, 2 hurries)
Collins 5 pressures (2 sacks, 3 hurries)
Martin 3 pressures (1 hit, 2 hurries)

1 sack and 1 hurry attributes to Dak himself.
1 hurry each to Zeke, Rico, and Rod Smith.

Fleming & Looney clean.
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Uncharacteristically bad game by Martin.
Good news on Fleming.

I don't think Collins has thrived at RT. Maybe Williams should go straight to RT next year. I think he goes there in 2020 regardless. Collins to LG next year, and let him go in 2020.
 

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visionary said:
Dak is VERY lazy protecting the ball which leads to fumbles

He needs to clean it up and it is his fault

He is already VERY limited as a QB and cannot out the team in these bad situations
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This has to be addressed and corrected,because he’s fumbling way too much.
 
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visionary said:
Dak is VERY lazy protecting the ball which leads to fumbles

He needs to clean it up and it is his fault

He is already VERY limited as a QB and cannot out the team in these bad situations
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How is Dak very limited as a qb? Two more wins and that's three winning seasons in a row.
 
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Ken said:
Since everyone LOVES to blame Dak that he is holding the ball too long and it is all his fault...let's take a look at the 7:

1st: 3rd and 5 at NO 5; No where to go with the ball, DT breaks free in under 3 seconds, Makes contact with Dak 3.06 seconds. There was no one open and those that claim he had Zeke coming across the front, not open until he is about to get hit and Dak has already pulled it down. COVERAGE SACK. OL blocking was ok...not great.

2nd 3rd and 6- Sacked in 2.5 seconds. Sua Fila got beat bad. Had no chance at all. NOT DAKS FAULT.

3rd: 2nd and 6- Cowboys go empty set motioning Zeke out wide. N.O. goes looks to be man cover 2... Total coverage sack here as Dak had no where to go with the ball....at all. Sacked in 3.92 seconds. Started running at about 3.3 seconds and almost made it back to LOS. COVERAGE SACK. OL was good.

4th: 3rd and 7: This is the play where he pulls it down and gets the ball hit out of his hand by the defender in 2.3 seconds. Sua Fila got completely destroyed and pushed back into Dak in that amount of time. NOT HIS FAULT. OL was terrible.

5th- 1st and 10- Dak Sacked in 2.5 seconds. Protection was horrible as they brought a delayed blitz by the lb and he came running free on a stunt. Little chance for Dak to do anything. Don't have coaches film for this one so I can't see all of the options...may have had a crossing route with a bit more time. NOT DAK'S FAULT. Didn't Hold the ball to long. Limited option to dump to if any.

6th: 2nd and 8. Dak bails on a pretty good pocket in under 2 seconds. Not sure if this was a run try by Dak but this was the play Dak got facemasked with no call. If he stayed in the pocket, had Beasley in the flat where he was looking initially. On DAK as he ran into that sack (Do wonder if he was trying to run though)

7th: Sacked in 2.61 seconds. Fumbled trying to pass...can't see if he had a play without coaches film.

Horrible Protection!!! Not Dak's fault.


So 1 out of 7 can be directly attributed to Dak. The other's are a poor OL or Coverage Sacks.

Please stop repeating the stupid mantra that they are Dak's fault. Thank you.
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He does need to secure the ball a lot better he also leads the league in fumbles
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
based on your descriptions, 3 out of 7 were his fault. 7th one, he had the rusher to his right, but didn't realize he was coming and needed to step up in the pocket. that's how you buy extra time, instead he never looked to the right and got strip sacked.

the 1st sack, you have 3 seconds, pocket is closing. no one open, throw it high and out of bounds....why hold on to the ball...recognition is slow.

the 3rd sack..if he had 3.92 seconds...then he should have got rid of the ball...


he doesn't quite have the pocket awareness he needs....he doesn't recognize what's going on around him and have a feel to move up in the pocket.
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No coaches film, but OP claims nobody was open.

Also, it seems some people fail to realize that sacks are not only caused by what happens after the snap.
 
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