90s Team Stunned at Lack of Playoff Appearances/Wins

[CowboyFan4Eva]

It's not the players. It's not the coaches. Although I don't think JG is ready......


It's the owner and the model he has set up. Plain and simple....

I mean, What is so bad about hiring a GM? Or, the way i would do it, hire a GM/HC......

That's the fix......

 

[Zimmy Lives]

What a depressing article.

100% of blame on Jerry.

It's not all on Jerry but he is the one common factor since the Boys last won a SB. I think I'd break it down as follows:

• QB- 30%
• Coaching - 20%
• Talent - 25%
• Jerry - 25%

 

[Future]

Again, and I appreciate the well thought out replies, I'm not arguing to some extent that he will try new things. I just find them to be window dressing at times...or attempts to make a splash. Now back in the days when he brought in Haley or Deion...those were attempts to keep a great team at the top or to put them over the top. I think now is a guessing game. How long has it been since we have discussed needing a safety or Dline or Oline. For years those position were ignored. Oline finally got some attention this draft but the glaring weaknesses at Safety and Dline get patches. You are talking about him changing philosophies but overall its mostly the same result. So that goes to him being part of the issue in my book. The Garrett thing really gets under my skin because Jerry is allegedly trying to learn a lesson from Gailey and be more patient. But a) Gailey made the playoffs twice and b) Gailey never amounted to be a good HC elsewhere. So why is he beating himself up and trying to be patient with a guy who is doing less when we should be doing more?

My hope...and I would be 10000000 to 1 in Vegas, is that Jerry wakes up one day, realizes its not working and changes the two biggest things...who is making personnel decisions and who is coaching the team. Once he gives a strong person the rope things will improve..not switching out coordinators, etc.

In terms of the bolded, I don't think those positions have been ignored. I think Jerry has tried to be too crafty in how he addressed them. He's always in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. He gets criticized for not addressing safety early when he goes OL, and then for not investing in the trenches when he gets Claiborne. Dline wouldn't have been an issue this year if not for all the injuries I don't think.

He makes mistakes as a GM, I get that. But they are the same ones that most every leadership group in the league makes. You can't say that teams like the Browns, Skins, Lions, Jags, Bills, Jets, Phins do any better, in fact, I'd argue that they are all run worse.

 

[wileedog]

There's no evidence Garrett is building anything special or noteworthy around here. However, he's a smart guy and maybe he can learn.

Hopefully, that answer is diplomatic enough to pacify the various factions.

Heh, nice tip toe.

That said, Garrett is only a piece of the system to which I am referring.

 

[Miller]

In terms of the bolded, I don't think those positions have been ignored. I think Jerry has tried to be too crafty in how he addressed them. He's always in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. He gets criticized for not addressing safety early when he goes OL, and then for not investing in the trenches when he gets Claiborne. Dline wouldn't have been an issue this year if not for all the injuries I don't think.

He makes mistakes as a GM, I get that. But they are the same ones that most every leadership group in the league makes. You can't say that teams like the Browns, Skins, Lions, Jags, Bills, Jets, Phins do any better, in fact, I'd argue that they are all run worse.

The bolded is the point of the article though. We aren't supposed to be in a group with how those teams are run. We have had 18 years and are in the bottom rung when it comes to success in the playoffs. The Jets and some of these other teams have done more. The fact that Jerry still gets some leeway with that track record disturbs me.

 

[wileedog]

He makes mistakes as a GM, I get that. But they are the same ones that most every leadership group in the league makes. You can't say that teams like the Browns, Skins, Lions, Jags, Bills, Jets, Phins do any better, in fact, I'd argue that they are all run worse.

You could say the Lions during the Matt Millen days, but they did a funny thing. Their GM sucked so they fired him and got a new one. Now they have a ton more talent than we do, they just had a really crappy coach. So they fired him too.

So that leaves 6 teams you think are run worse out of 32. Yay?

 

[Nova]

God I'm tired of being the biggest joke in the NFL.

 

[visionary]

You could say the Lions during the Matt Millen days, but they did a funny thing. Their GM sucked so they fired him and got a new one. Now they have a ton more talent than we do, they just had a really crappy coach. So they fired him too.

So that leaves 6 teams you think are run worse out of 32. Yay?

here is a different way to look at this same issue:

teams with meddlesome owners:
cowboys, Commanders, raiders, bengals = 100% futility

28 teams with owners more hands off and more 'normal' NFL structure:
28 = 100% record for conference championships, appearances in SBs, and SB victories

which camp do you want to be in?

one can always find minute differences and we could argue back and forth all day but the fact is that teams with meddlesome owners go nowhere

 

[TNCowboy]

It's not all on Jerry but he is the one common factor since the Boys last won a SB. I think I'd break it down as follows:

• QB- 30%
• Coaching - 20%
• Talent - 25%
• Jerry - 25%

I miss my laughing smilies. And DBare's rolleyes.

Who just signed that QB to a longer term deal last year? the 25%er
Who hired and stubbornly hangs onto the coach who has had more than enough time to prove he can't get the job done? the 25%er
Who has stamped himself 100% responsible for the talent? the 25%er

You at least got 25% right.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

God I'm tired of being the biggest joke in the NFL.

Well said. I think a lot of us are.......

 

[Future]

You could say the Lions during the Matt Millen days, but they did a funny thing. Their GM sucked so they fired him and got a new one. Now they have a ton more talent than we do, they just had a really crappy coach. So they fired him too.

So that leaves 6 teams you think are run worse out of 32. Yay?

No they don't. Dline is probably the only position I'd swap with them. Maybe LB and RB.

And those were just off the top of my head...you could easily throw the Bengals, Titans, Rams, Cards, Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, and Bucs into that group as well.

There are so many teams who make institutional mistakes that to think Jerruh is the worst in the league is silly imo. Should he be gone as a GM, probably, but its not as if this organization is being run into the ground. Its really not. The idea of the Cowboys being a joke or a laughing stock or whatever is a media construction. Nothing more, nothing less. They could just as easily have created a storyline where everything is set against America's team and they are cursed, just like the Red Sox. The difference is that people love to hate the Cowboys, so making a mockery of them drives ratings.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I miss my laughing smilies. And DBare's rolleyes.

Who just signed that QB to a longer term deal last year? the 25%er
Who hired and stubbornly hangs onto the coach who has had more than enough time to prove he can't get the job done? the 25%er
Who has stamped himself 100% responsible for the talent? the 25%er

You at least got 25% right.

I aim to please!

 

[car351]

But he won't change the one guy who will make the ultimate difference.....himself.

Until that happens, all the others changes are window dressing to appease fans and keep the turnstiles churning at his Palace.

nicely stated.

 

[Fansince64]

No they don't. Dline is probably the only position I'd swap with them. Maybe LB and RB.

And those were just off the top of my head...you could easily throw the Bengals, Titans, Rams, Cards, Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, and Bucs into that group as well.

There are so many teams who make institutional mistakes that to think Jerruh is the worst in the league is silly imo. Should he be gone as a GM, probably, but its not as if this organization is being run into the ground. Its really not. The idea of the Cowboys being a joke or a laughing stock or whatever is a media construction. Nothing more, nothing less. They could just as easily have created a storyline where everything is set against America's team and they are cursed, just like the Red Sox. The difference is that people love to hate the Cowboys, so making a mockery of them drives ratings.

Keep on believing this. Jerry loves fans like you!!!


Monte Sliger

 

[TNCowboy]

I aim to please!

I really do miss the smilies.

 

[Picksix]

Again, and I appreciate the well thought out replies, I'm not arguing to some extent that he will try new things. I just find them to be window dressing at times...or attempts to make a splash. Now back in the days when he brought in Haley or Deion...those were attempts to keep a great team at the top or to put them over the top. I think now is a guessing game. How long has it been since we have discussed needing a safety or Dline or Oline. For years those position were ignored. Oline finally got some attention this draft but the glaring weaknesses at Safety and Dline get patches. You are talking about him changing philosophies but overall its mostly the same result. So that goes to him being part of the issue in my book. The Garrett thing really gets under my skin because Jerry is allegedly trying to learn a lesson from Gailey and be more patient. But a) Gailey made the playoffs twice and b) Gailey never amounted to be a good HC elsewhere. So why is he beating himself up and trying to be patient with a guy who is doing less when we should be doing more?

My hope...and I would be 10000000 to 1 in Vegas, is that Jerry wakes up one day, realizes its not working and changes the two biggest things...who is making personnel decisions and who is coaching the team. Once he gives a strong person the rope things will improve..not switching out coordinators, etc.

I honestly believe that Jerry is so determined to win his way, in the sense that he would rather take a coach like Garrett, try to "develop" him, and if the team ends up being successful, he can take the credit for being the guy that called all the shots and pulled all the strings. I think it eats him up that most people give Jimmy the lion's share of the credit for the SB teams. I can't see him going with a strong, JJ/Parcells type, because then that guy will get the credit that he is desperate for.

 

[Future]

Keep on believing this. Jerry loves fans like you!!!

Monte Sliger

Posts like this are so irritating, not to mention closed-minded. "You don't hate Jerry? You're terrible! Part of the Problem! Accepting the status quo."

What does that even mean anyways? He loves that I'm a fan of the Cowboys? Cool! He loves you just as much as he loves me because when it comes down to it, we both watch.

Jerry bashers assume that those who can at least acknowledge the things he does well are basically the Antichrist. Its absurd.

 

[slomoxn]

HA!

You guys remember the video from Michael Irvin's football camp with Dixon Edwards, Alvin harper, erik Williams, Irvin and about 5 or 6 more...it was from the offseason going into 09. I still have it.

I remember Alvin harper saying romo and witten weren't dogs and would never win. What a loser.

I also remember Irvin telling a 12 year old kid that the football represented gold and that his job was to take the gold to the bank so he can get paid......that's how he taught him to make a catch and run after....

yea sign my kid up for that.[/quote

Honest question... Who is the loser, Harper for saying it or Witten and Romo for him being right? Might not have been a nice thing to say but his prediction has come true, even though they are both good to great maybe he didn't see in them what he saw in the team he was around.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Wow, who would have thought that Troy Aikman's water boy wouldnt be a good coach. Breathtaking insight.

 

[TNCowboy]

No they don't. Dline is probably the only position I'd swap with them. Maybe LB and RB.

And those were just off the top of my head...you could easily throw the Bengals, Titans, Rams, Cards, Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, and Bucs into that group as well.

There are so many teams who make institutional mistakes that to think Jerruh is the worst in the league is silly imo. Should he be gone as a GM, probably, but its not as if this organization is being run into the ground. Its really not. The idea of the Cowboys being a joke or a laughing stock or whatever is a media construction. Nothing more, nothing less. They could just as easily have created a storyline where everything is set against America's team and they are cursed, just like the Red Sox. The difference is that people love to hate the Cowboys, so making a mockery of them drives ratings.

Those teams have such a disadvantage compared to Jones financially, they're not on the same playing field. Similarly, many of those teams had egomaniacs who wanted to run teams they had amply proven they couldn't, but they lacked $500M a year in revenue to help buy themselves out of bad decisions. A lot of people don't consider that a huge bonus check is a minor inconvenience to Jones, but to say, the Bills, they can't afford to do it very often and it ruins their year if they fail. That the Cowboys have been .500 instead of .300 is hardly consolation. The end result is the same: a team that annually has no shot at winning a SB.

Even with that, the jig is about up for Jones. The talent acquired when Parcells was here is mostly gone. The Cowboys have a QB in decline, a HOF TE on his last legs, and a HOF pass rusher with a bad back. The abundance of scrub draft picks the last several years is about to catch up to them. We're about to re-enter the Campo years.