90s Team Stunned at Lack of Playoff Appearances/Wins

[khiladi]

That is making the dangerous assumption that Stephen is any different.

He isn't... In fct. he's part ofthe trinity of personnel cluster-mismanagement since aroun 1997. Him, Lacewell and Father Garrett were making the personnel decisions primarily, until 2004 when Parcells came along. Unfortunately, Faher Garrett and Lacewell returned once he left.

 

[Afigueroa22]

It's not all on Jerry but he is the one common factor since the Boys last won a SB. I think I'd break it down as follows:

• QB- 30%
• Coaching - 20%
• Talent - 25%
• Jerry - 25%

Now which of the four you listed is responsible for the acquisition of the other three?

 

[trueblue1687]

Right...I love this not so veiled shot at the team now and Garrett





Right and that is the sad part....Jerry refuses to make changes to turn it around. See quote above. Instead he wants to be right and stick with mediocrity.

Sounds like Woodson is saying just the opposite...that he DOES make changes : "He’s the best owner in football. He’s the best owner you want to be around. He will give you everything. He is going to find a way to get the right guy in here and run this system and make it work. It just hasn’t happened.”

It may be that he makes too many changes...who knows.

 

[Miller]

Sounds like Woodson is saying just the opposite...that he DOES make changes : "He’s the best owner in football. He’s the best owner you want to be around. He will give you everything. He is going to find a way to get the right guy in here and run this system and make it work. It just hasn’t happened.”

It may be that he makes too many changes...who knows.

Read the quote I put later on from Woodson..page before. If you take what you bolded with what he said in the rest of the article and what he says in the new one it is basically saying the bolded is how they thought of Jerry when they were there and that it isn't happening now. The bolded was his mindset and how he was thinking to himself about the differences then and now.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

Sounds like Woodson is saying just the opposite...that he DOES make changes : "He’s the best owner in football. He’s the best owner you want to be around. He will give you everything. He is going to find a way to get the right guy in here and run this system and make it work. It just hasn’t happened.”

It may be that he makes too many changes...who knows.

Nope it sure hasn't happened....and it's not going to happen. We are going into next year, pretty much the same as this year......we aren't going to win more then 6 games next year.....we aren't winning anything, anytime soon......

I like Jerry. I like romo and witten and ware.

It just hasn't happened. And it's not going too......

 

[trueblue1687]

Read the quote I put later on from Woodson..page before. If you take what you bolded with what he said in the rest of the article and what he says in the new one it is basically saying the bolded is how they thought of Jerry when they were there and that it isn't happening now. The bolded was his mindset and how he was thinking to himself about the differences then and now.

I think that's more of an indictment on Garrett. The top of your post hinted at the fact, but I read that more as PLAYERS having more leverage than a coach - which they didn't have under the two coaches mentioned. Thus the comment about players getting the boot. I guess you could make an argument toward it referring to Jerry, but it sounds strongly like he's slamming Garrett as weak...again because he contrasts two COACHES. Woodson has and still is a steadfast Jerry supporter as are most of his former players. I realize that opinion isn't shared by all (or even many on this board), but it is what it is.

 

[LatinMind]

These 90s players players played in a era with no salary cap. When it was first introduced, These players contracts that were in Dallas played a great part in why dallas was strapped. Injuries to Aikman and Irvin Moose, Emmitt going after records.So before they go and speak on why have the Cowboys been absent from superbowls. Look at the mirror

 

[trueblue1687]

Nope it sure hasn't happened....and it's not going to happen. We are going into next year, pretty much the same as this year......we aren't going to win more then 6 games next year.....we aren't winning anything, anytime soon......

I like Jerry. I like romo and witten and ware.

It just hasn't happened. And it's not going too......

Never tastes bad when you have to eat it my friend . There'll be people saving your post from the darkest corner of their mom's basement apartment, posting it on the cork board beside their waterbed...right next to the Emmitt Smith poster.
You may be right, but I'd take the over on your bet. The team will be 8-8 or close to it....again. I think you're right in that the Cowboys aren't going anywhere under Garrett and his homies, though.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

Never tastes bad when you have to eat it my friend . There'll be people saving your post from the darkest corner of their mom's basement apartment, posting it on the cork board beside their waterbed...right next to the Emmitt Smith poster.
You may be right, but I'd take the over on your bet. The team will be 8-8 or close to it....again. I think you're right in that the Cowboys aren't going anywhere under Garrett and his homies, though.

Lol. I'll be the first one to to eat my own words........!!!! For a Super Bowl or even an NFCCG Appearance i would dress up like a donkey with a sign that said "I'm a donkey for not believing" and walk around downtown Dallas.....

 

[Miller]

I think that's more of an indictment on Garrett. The top of your post hinted at the fact, but I read that more as PLAYERS having more leverage than a coach - which they didn't have under the two coaches mentioned. Thus the comment about players getting the boot. I guess you could make an argument toward it referring to Jerry, but it sounds strongly like he's slamming Garrett as weak...again because he contrasts two COACHES. Woodson has and still is a steadfast Jerry supporter as are most of his former players. I realize that opinion isn't shared by all (or even many on this board), but it is what it is.

I must be confused. That was my point. I said it before each one...Garrett is an issue. Am I missing something or replying to something different?

 

[Miller]

These 90s players players played in a era with no salary cap. When it was first introduced, These players contracts that were in Dallas played a great part in why dallas was strapped. Injuries to Aikman and Irvin Moose, Emmitt going after records.So before they go and speak on why have the Cowboys been absent from superbowls. Look at the mirror

So they have been part of the issue for 18 years? Give me a break. They are players who put a toll on their body to bring championships and got paid. The owner and GM could have easily cut them or done whatever whenever he pleased when the cap was installed. That is what a GM does and why the Pats have done well...cutting players before they lose it. You expected them to turn down contracts that the owner was throwing around? The issue was coaching and drafting. Not their contracts.

 

[trueblue1687]

I must be confused. That was my point. I said it before each one...Garrett is an issue. Am I missing something or replying to something different?

I thought you were meaning that the subsequent interview you posted expounded on his comments about Jones being the "best owner, doing anything to win, yada, yada"...and that he was now saying it was Jones who was undermining coaches:
Read the quote I put later on from Woodson..page before. If you take what you bolded with what he said in the rest of the article and what he says in the new one it is basically saying the bolded is how they thought of Jerry when they were there and that it isn't happening now. The bolded was his mindset and how he was thinking to himself about the differences then and now.

I didn't realize you were referring to Garrett at all, so I guess I misunderstood what you were getting at in the quote above...no sweat.

 

[LatinMind]

So they have been part of the issue for 18 years? Give me a break. They are players who put a toll on their body to bring championships and got paid. The owner and GM could have easily cut them or done whatever whenever he pleased when the cap was installed. That is what a GM does and why the Pats have done well...cutting players before they lose it. You expected them to turn down contracts that the owner was throwing around? The issue was coaching and drafting. Not their contracts.

Yes they are the ones that got these 18 yrs started. How much dead money did the leave for Dallas? Of course its not their fault they got hurt. But still doesnt take away the fact that their dead money played a big part. the cap was born in 1994, why would he have cut Aikman, Irvin, Moose in 94?

 

[Miller]

I thought you were meaning that the subsequent interview you posted expounded on his comments about Jones being the "best owner, doing anything to win, yada, yada"...and that he was now saying it was Jones who was undermining coaches:
Read the quote I put later on from Woodson..page before. If you take what you bolded with what he said in the rest of the article and what he says in the new one it is basically saying the bolded is how they thought of Jerry when they were there and that it isn't happening now. The bolded was his mindset and how he was thinking to himself about the differences then and now.

I didn't realize you were referring to Garrett at all, so I guess I misunderstood what you were getting at in the quote above...no sweat.

Sorry. The two times I mentioned Woodson's quotes I put that I thought they were a shot at Garrett in the post. When you brought up Jones I was just explaining that it soundly like the reason for keeping Garrett wasn't clear to Woodson since he always thought of Jerry as a guy who likes to make changes and that if there was a issue he would fix it. My bad if confusing.

 

[Miller]

Yes they are the ones that got these 18 yrs started. How much dead money did the leave for Dallas? Of course its not their fault they got hurt. But still doesnt take away the fact that their dead money played a big part. the cap was born in 1994, why would he have cut Aikman, Irvin, Moose in 94?

I didn't say he would have cut them in 1994 but they were still big contributors on a SB caliber team so of course they got paid. As you said, their injuries weren't their fault but Aikman was already having issues. He had his first back surgery when was 26 after first SB. He was getting epidural shots in 2000,years later. So in those late 90s days, some of these players were on their last legs. So that is when you start working the cap. I know where you are coming from but I don't think it falls on them. It falls on how they were managed. So they can talk on the football side of things. I wish they would talk more.

 

[Gameover]

06-09 wasn't a spurt?

 

[MikeT22]

Not sure why they are stunned. Jerry is incompetent as a GM and him trying to micromanage every aspect of the organization in order to be in control and try to get credit is just going to have us wading in mediocrity for many more years.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

These 90s players players played in a era with no salary cap. When it was first introduced, These players contracts that were in Dallas played a great part in why dallas was strapped. Injuries to Aikman and Irvin Moose, Emmitt going after records.So before they go and speak on why have the Cowboys been absent from superbowls. Look at the mirror

What a dumb statement. Are you serious?

Those players have been out of the game for a decade and a half. Emmitt for a decade.

Yeah the Cowboys may have been cash strapped carrying their salaries back in the day but it's on the Jerry and his dumb son for mismanaging the cap and personnel since then. That was then, this is now. I'm 100% sure we haven't carried Emmitt's or Aikman's salary on our books for at least a decade.

Saying Emmitt and Aikman's contracts are why the Cowboys have been absent from the Super Bowl is a very ignorant statement.

 

[LatinMind]

What a dumb statement. Are you serious?

Those players have been out of the game for a decade and a half. Emmitt for a decade.

Yeah the Cowboys may have been cash strapped carrying their salaries back in the day but it's on the Jerry and his dumb son for mismanaging the cap and personnel since then. That was then, this is now. I'm 100% sure we haven't carried Emmitt's or Aikman's salary on our books for at least a decade.

Saying Emmitt and Aikman's contracts are why the Cowboys have been absent from the Super Bowl is a very ignorant statement.

No you just dont know how to read. All i said was theyre dead money is what got dallas started on these yrs that they havent been to one because they had limited resources.

 

[Risen Star]

What a dumb statement. Are you serious?

Those players have been out of the game for a decade and a half. Emmitt for a decade.

Yeah the Cowboys may have been cash strapped carrying their salaries back in the day but it's on the Jerry and his dumb son for mismanaging the cap and personnel since then. That was then, this is now. I'm 100% sure we haven't carried Emmitt's or Aikman's salary on our books for at least a decade.

Saying Emmitt and Aikman's contracts are why the Cowboys have been absent from the Super Bowl is a very ignorant statement.

Their salaries had nothing to do with why the Cowboys have gone so long without winning. That's excuse making from the cheerleaders.

It's not a mystery. When you have an ego driven oil man making football decisions you end up with a bad football team.