A 7 year QB Starter should elevate a team

[Shane612]

Listening to Dak explain how he was trying to fit the ball “behind the LBs ear” on the game sealing INT was harder to listen to than it was watching that happen.

Absolutely delusional and disappointing to see we haven’t seen any growth from him as a player.

He is who he is. He made a lot of money here meddling in the middle and now we’re stuck with a QB that knowingly throws a ball into triple coverage, attempting to throw a ball behind someone’s “ear.”

His entire post-game interview was confusing.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Texas toast takes time. It's the 4Ts of the MM offense.

 

[Ken]

Dak’s not that kind of QB. How do y’all not know this by now?

McCarthy changed the offense because he knows this.

McCarthy changed the offense because that is his offense.

 

[Praxit]

So did Lamar, So did Trevor, so did many others, what's your point

...point is, Bob Lilly is still in a war. I thought Nam was over?

 

[CATCH17]

McCarthy changed the offense because that is his offense.

He literally got rid of Kellen Moore.

 

[Creeper]

Listen, I completely understand Dak's limitations as a QB. I spent much of last season trying to articulate them. But despite all I have said and believe I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone thinks Dak was the issue yesterday. There is more talk of Dak than that ridiculous blown coverage that allowed Arizona to get an easy 69 yards and into position to score another TD to ice the game. The Cowboys had just kicked a FG to get within 5 points and after kicking off, on the very first Arizona play of the drive, backup QB Joshua Dobbs hits an uncovered receiver for 69 yards from his own 24 yard line. Game over right there. If Dak was somehow responsible for that mistake this board would like up like the Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center.

And what about the 13 penalties, 11 coming in the first half. They had more penalties than points in the first half. Is Dak to blame?

The 2nd play from scrimmage for the Cardinals, Dobbs runs right around the left side for 44 yards to set the tempo for the rest of the game. Did Dak miss a tackle or get caught out of position? Was Dak chasing inside when the play went right around him like Lucy pulling the ball away just a Charlie Brown tried to kick it?

Dak was not the problem yesterday. Yes, he made a couple of mistakes but overall he played a decent game. The INT late in the game was a bad throw but also a desperate throw.

The defense gave up 28 points and allowed the Cardinals to score on every drive in the first half. Dak's fault?

The Cowboys had 416 yards in offense yesterday. 185 rushing yards. They have red zone issues for sure, but the bigger problem was the defense. Right now I am more worried about our CB situation than the QB situation.

 

[Jake]

One of the biggest concerns about Dak is his inability to elevate a team even when it's compromised. He's never really gotten over that hump and show that he's that dude. He's basically our version of Kirk Cousin's with a little more overall talent.

Career passer ratings:

Cousins - 98.1
Dak - 97.6

 

[plymkr]

Listen, I completely understand Dak's limitations as a QB. I spent much of last season trying to articulate them. But despite all I have said and believe I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone thinks Dak was the issue yesterday. There is more talk of Dak than that ridiculous blown coverage that allowed Arizona to get an easy 69 yards and into position to score another TD to ice the game. The Cowboys had just kicked a FG to get within 5 points and after kicking off, on the very first Arizona play of the drive, backup QB Joshua Dobbs hits an uncovered receiver for 69 yards from his own 24 yard line. Game over right there. If Dak was somehow responsible for that mistake this board would like up like the Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center.

And what about the 13 penalties, 11 coming in the first half. They had more penalties than points in the first half. Is Dak to blame?

The 2nd play from scrimmage for the Cardinals, Dobbs runs right around the left side for 44 yards to set the tempo for the rest of the game. Did Dak miss a tackle or get caught out of position? Was Dak chasing inside when the play went right around him like Lucy pulling the ball away just a Charlie Brown tried to kick it?

Dak was not the problem yesterday. Yes, he made a couple of mistakes but overall he played a decent game. The INT late in the game was a bad throw but also a desperate throw.

The defense gave up 28 points and allowed the Cardinals to score on every drive in the first half. Dak's fault?

The Cowboys had 416 yards in offense yesterday. 185 rushing yards. They have red zone issues for sure, but the bigger problem was the defense. Right now I am more worried about our CB situation than the QB situation.

Dak wasn't THE issue yesterday but he was an issue yesterday. I agree with everything you said. IMO we lost because (in order of fault)
Defense
Penalties
Injuries
Coaching
Dak

IMO the reason why Dak is being discussed so much is because with the way the defense, penalties, injuries and coaching really made Dak’s limitations come to light. All of those things really should how average of a player he is. The elephant in the room is the constant talk of resigning Dak and the rising costs of QBs. Do we want to be tethered to Dak and his limitations for the amount that Hurts and Burrow is getting?

To summarize my point. Dak is the highest paid guy on the team and he’s average for his position. If Dak restructures his deal to give us cap space and accepted 20 million APY then he would receive far less scrutiny. When Dak was on his rookie deal his play was the same, possibly better then he is now. No one complained as much if he had a bad game. Now he’s paid and wants to be paid again and he’s average. An average player is holding the team hostage on the field and financially. I won’t speak for everyone I’ll just speak for me. The idea of another cap killing contract for an average player makes me sick to my stomach. That’s why me personally is so hard on Dak because of the big picture and Jerry is delusional thinking Dak is elite.

But for yesterday, you are completely correct, Dak was about the 4th or 5th reason we lost. Moving forward Dak is the #1 (besides Jerry himself) reason why we may stay mediocre and that scares me.

 

[The Fonz]

No, he's Kirk Cousins with less talent. Cousins has elite accuracy, compared to Dak.

MM is trying to make Dak a bus driver. MM knows as does everyone else on the planet that Dak isn't a QB who'll make his team better. He's a jag who needs a great team around him just to be adequate. Best we can hope for is that Lance shows them something to the degree that the Jones fools don't give Dak 4 more years and $200 milllion+.

Many of us have been saying this for years ...the guy is one lucky jag he always try to hide his deficiency by talking
I don't blame him i blame the so called GM

 

[buybuydandavis]

Only 3 games into the changes. A long way to go.

Very good point.

Long way to go *for the whole offense*. They *all* are adjusting to the new system.

 

[b0xZZ]

Did you miss the clearest example of him elevating the team last year when he came back from injury? Anemic offense to #1 in every major category when he came back.

Too many people are clouded in every aspect of football bc of recency bias. It is hillarious.

Did you miss the game that counted against SF when he had to be a difference maker and instead was outperformed by a rookie? Kind of like this last game. The defense beat the Giants and Jets to start the year, Dak just had to show up.

Dak is a middling QB that isn’t getting better he’s actually regressing. It’s ok to call him what he is regardless of your fragile psyche.

 

[RonWashington]

No, he's Kirk Cousins with less talent. Cousins has elite accuracy, compared to Dak.

MM is trying to make Dak a bus driver. MM knows as does everyone else on the planet that Dak isn't a QB who'll make his team better. He's a jag who needs a great team around him just to be adequate. Best we can hope for is that Lance shows them something to the degree that the Jones fools don't give Dak 4 more years and $200 milllion+.

The minute Cousins feels the rush play over sack coming . If some are of the belief the Minnesota QB is an upgrade its delusional . The Cowboys have steamrolled Cousins anytime the Vikings are on the card .

Then Minnesota folds like a lawn chair in the playoffs aghast the Giants of all teams last season . Enough about Cousins .

 

[McKDaddy]

A 7 year QB Starter is probably a 7 year QB starter precisely because he elevates the team​

Not in Dallas. Other teams would have evaluated his progression and if not satisfied sought other options. Here, they crank up the PR machine and try to fake it hoping they'll eventually make it.

 

[McKDaddy]

5-8 years experience: Daniel Jones (5), Jackson (6), Allen (6), Baker Mayfield (6), Mahomes (7), Joshua Dobbs (7), Deshaun Watson (7), Dak Prescott (8), Jared Goff (8). 9-12 years experience: Derek Carr (10), Jimmy Garoppolo (10), Geno Smith (11), Kirk Cousins (12), Russell Wilson (12), Ryan Tannehill (12).

OP You wanna try that again, or will you admit you're Wrong. I saw Jimmy G last night He did anything but elevate his team. Mahomes is Mahomes he's been carrying those guys since he started playing

A 7 year QB Starter should elevate a team​

• Thread starterJkyle
• Start date19 minutes ago

That's what I mean, no thought, no sense just regurgitate Stuff, Man I just can't

This thread is about whether Dak elevates. Naming other QB's who can't carry a team is just agreeing with the concept.

 

[Redsfan_83]

Career passer ratings:

Cousins - 98.1
Dak - 97.6

Career QBR for Dak slots him somewhere in the middle of the pack of QB's in the NFL. This is exactly what we have in him, which means we get middle of the pack play.....this is what we have and our MM knows it

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

He just isn’t that type of QB. He needs everything around him going well.

 

[erod]

Did you miss the clearest example of him elevating the team last year when he came back from injury? Anemic offense to #1 in every major category when he came back.

Too many people are clouded in every aspect of football bc of recency bias. It is hillarious.

You're delusional. His significant limitations paralyze this team frequently.

 

[kskboys]

Listen, I completely understand Dak's limitations as a QB. I spent much of last season trying to articulate them. But despite all I have said and believe I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone thinks Dak was the issue yesterday. There is more talk of Dak than that ridiculous blown coverage that allowed Arizona to get an easy 69 yards and into position to score another TD to ice the game. The Cowboys had just kicked a FG to get within 5 points and after kicking off, on the very first Arizona play of the drive, backup QB Joshua Dobbs hits an uncovered receiver for 69 yards from his own 24 yard line. Game over right there. If Dak was somehow responsible for that mistake this board would like up like the Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center.

And what about the 13 penalties, 11 coming in the first half. They had more penalties than points in the first half. Is Dak to blame?

The 2nd play from scrimmage for the Cardinals, Dobbs runs right around the left side for 44 yards to set the tempo for the rest of the game. Did Dak miss a tackle or get caught out of position? Was Dak chasing inside when the play went right around him like Lucy pulling the ball away just a Charlie Brown tried to kick it?

Dak was not the problem yesterday. Yes, he made a couple of mistakes but overall he played a decent game. The INT late in the game was a bad throw but also a desperate throw.

The defense gave up 28 points and allowed the Cardinals to score on every drive in the first half. Dak's fault?

The Cowboys had 416 yards in offense yesterday. 185 rushing yards. They have red zone issues for sure, but the bigger problem was the defense. Right now I am more worried about our CB situation than the QB situation.

Simple. He was terrible.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Not in Dallas. Other teams would have evaluated his progression and if not satisfied sought other options. Here, they crank up the PR machine and try to fake it hoping they'll eventually make it.

Truth!!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Did you miss the clearest example of him elevating the team last year when he came back from injury? Anemic offense to #1 in every major category when he came back.

Too many people are clouded in every aspect of football bc of recency bias. It is hillarious.

I can nail the name without seeing it in three guesses just reading these kinds of replies.
Its like e people have an auto cut and paste option in their forum account info.
Blah blah blah.