A 7 year QB Starter should elevate a team

[Cowboys5217]

5-8 years experience: Daniel Jones (5), Jackson (6), Allen (6), Baker Mayfield (6), Mahomes (7), Joshua Dobbs (7), Deshaun Watson (7), Dak Prescott (8), Jared Goff (8). 9-12 years experience: Derek Carr (10), Jimmy Garoppolo (10), Geno Smith (11), Kirk Cousins (12), Russell Wilson (12), Ryan Tannehill (12).

OP You wanna try that again, or will you admit you're Wrong. I saw Jimmy G last night He did anything but elevate his team. Mahomes is Mahomes he's been carrying those guys since he started playing

A 7 year QB Starter should elevate a team​

• Thread starterJkyle
• Start date19 minutes ago

That's what I mean, no thought, no sense just regurgitate Stuff, Man I just can't

Here's the classic "Whataboutism!!?!?!?!?" fallacy again.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

SOMEONE NAME QUARTERBACKS WHO DO. Go ahead and sit here and show me a long list of quarterbacks who elevate anything.

The idea that he's the same as Kirk Cousins is for mouthbreathers - he is night and day a better player in difficult situations.

Dak's the best third-down QB in the league right now, what else is he supposed to do?


You people are allergic to fact and speak in lame platitudes.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Here's the classic "Whataboutism!!?!?!?!?" fallacy again.

It's not a fallacy, it's context.

Without context, you could say something like "Pat Mahomes sucks, hee can't even throw for 7,000 yards!!!!"

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Listen, I completely understand Dak's limitations as a QB. I spent much of last season trying to articulate them. But despite all I have said and believe I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone thinks Dak was the issue yesterday. There is more talk of Dak than that ridiculous blown coverage that allowed Arizona to get an easy 69 yards and into position to score another TD to ice the game. The Cowboys had just kicked a FG to get within 5 points and after kicking off, on the very first Arizona play of the drive, backup QB Joshua Dobbs hits an uncovered receiver for 69 yards from his own 24 yard line. Game over right there. If Dak was somehow responsible for that mistake this board would like up like the Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center.

And what about the 13 penalties, 11 coming in the first half. They had more penalties than points in the first half. Is Dak to blame?

The 2nd play from scrimmage for the Cardinals, Dobbs runs right around the left side for 44 yards to set the tempo for the rest of the game. Did Dak miss a tackle or get caught out of position? Was Dak chasing inside when the play went right around him like Lucy pulling the ball away just a Charlie Brown tried to kick it?

Dak was not the problem yesterday. Yes, he made a couple of mistakes but overall he played a decent game. The INT late in the game was a bad throw but also a desperate throw.

The defense gave up 28 points and allowed the Cardinals to score on every drive in the first half. Dak's fault?

The Cowboys had 416 yards in offense yesterday. 185 rushing yards. They have red zone issues for sure, but the bigger problem was the defense. Right now I am more worried about our CB situation than the QB situation.

So you are lecturing others how dak didnt contribute to the loss.
So lets do the coorallary then. What did dak do to help us try to win?

Like a top 10 qb should be able to do.

 

[Cowboys5217]

It's not a fallacy, it's context.

Without context, you could say something like "Pat Mahomes sucks, hee can't even throw for 7,000 yards!!!!"

No, it's a fallacy. You do not excuse failure by pointing out other failures.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

No, it's a fallacy. You do not excuse failure by pointing out other failures.

Pat Mahomes can't even elevate his team, because he can't throw for 7,000 yards! Totally not worth the contract.

 

[Creeper]

So you are lecturing others how dak didnt contribute to the loss.
So lets do the coorallary then. What did dak do to help us try to win?

Like a top 10 qb should be able to do.

Am I lecturing? I thought I was providing facts and context. First, I said this is a team loss, but that the defense was more responsible for the loss than the offense. The defense gave up 222 yards rushing. Is that a winning performance? Didn't that somehow effect the outcomes of the game? Did you see Rondale Moore run 45 yards untouched for a TD? The Dak argument is that no matter how bad the defense played, Dak should have elevated his performance until they won. That is an impossible ask of any QB.

As I said, I know Dak is limited. His accuracy is a problem and he is slow to read defenses sometimes. But in Sunday's game, the emphasis on Dak when there were so many other players who played poorly makes no sense. Why isn't the person responsible for blowing the coverage on that 69 yard pass play getting some blame? How about the awful play calling in the red zone? I would blame the refs for not calling interference on the Gallup play in the end zone before I would blame Dak.

I have said for years Dak is overpaid, and he will be even more overpaid with his new deal whenever it comes, but on this one day, for this one game, I don't think he is the reason they lost. I get it. The QB always gets the blame. That is the nature of the position. But if we are being honest, the defense allowed the Cardinals to push them around. But somehow that is Dak's fault.

Is no one disappointed in the defense that was the next coming of the '85 Bears last week, and this week they were the Bad News Bears? I don't see how taking Dak out of the equation changes the fact the defense was a sieve Sunday.

 

[Doomsday]

Not sure what he was doing on this play, should have been a TD instead of a loss of 3 yards.

The DE is clearly crashing down the entire way, he has to keep the ball or they need to throw that play away because he doesn't want to run it.

 

[5Stars]

No, it's a fallacy. You do not excuse failure by pointing out other failures.

They try that crap all the time. Just because Dak did not do this or that, well, so and so didn't either. Dak gets babied like no other.

So what Dak threw an int, so did Mahomes so! Deflection, deflection...deflection.

 

[Gambit]

He really did take a lot out this week. I dont believe he had confidence in his pass protection and he called an overly conservative game because of it. Who takes out 3 starting lineman over the course of a day or two and starts two rookies in relief?

A coach who has 3 starting lineman injured does this very thing when injuries occur over the course of a day or two

 

[Gambit]

Not sure what he was doing on this play, should have been a TD instead of a loss of 3 yards.

The DE is clearly crashing down the entire way, he has to keep the ball or they need to throw that play away because he doesn't want to run it.

This would assume the play call was RPO and not just a handoff with fake run by QB to try and misdirect.

Watching it live I thought the same thing. We know OC will put plays on tape just to run same look later with different play.

Considering the time of game I'd say it wasore likely just a failed play call.

 

[Rayman70]

Dak wasnt the issue. Defense was. Refs were. THEN the cards came out with a better plan and executed. We didnt. We were lethargic and confused defensively all game.

 

[RomoIsGod]

He never elevates the team

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Here's the classic "Whataboutism!!?!?!?!?" fallacy again.

Normally when i hear/see someone use that phrase they are just mad their hypcrisy has been pointed out.

Not a fallacy at all....faulty logic by way of agenda.

Not saying thats whats happened here. Just normally.

 

[Swagger]

Given some of the away games remaining (49ers, Eagles, Chargers, Bills and Dolphins), unless the defense balls out and bails him out time and time again, he will be fully exposed to the point that even this front office will have no other choice but to move on from him.

You can't succeed if you need to give a QB earning elite money countless All Pros and Pro Bowlers in every position. That type of QB has to do some of the heavy lifting in several games over a season otherwise you go down the Purdy QB route and use those resources to strengthen the roster even further.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

All this Dak hate warms my heart.

Y’all finally seeing the light.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Cousins is better. Mike got rid of KM so he could simplify the offense. He's seen enough of dak and knows that the best thing is to KISS for dak.

 

[noshame]

It is what it is, either move him around or hes toast, those are the options.

Bilichek will put him in box and he'll have to throw deep to climb out of it.

 

[CowboyFrog]

5-8 years experience: Daniel Jones (5), Jackson (6), Allen (6), Baker Mayfield (6), Mahomes (7), Joshua Dobbs (7), Deshaun Watson (7), Dak Prescott (8), Jared Goff (8). 9-12 years experience: Derek Carr (10), Jimmy Garoppolo (10), Geno Smith (11), Kirk Cousins (12), Russell Wilson (12), Ryan Tannehill (12).

OP You wanna try that again, or will you admit you're Wrong. I saw Jimmy G last night He did anything but elevate his team. Mahomes is Mahomes he's been carrying those guys since he started playing

A 7 year QB Starter should elevate a team​

• Thread starterJkyle
• Start date19 minutes ago

That's what I mean, no thought, no sense just regurgitate Stuff, Man I just can't

Its always the same, thats why i say it like this:
"I mad Dak is not Mahomes, I can't believe we cant have a QB like Mahomes like every other team!!!! Did i say I'm mad!!!"
sounds similar to this:
Man who live on the train tracks yelling last night..
"Why do these trains keep comming by, I'm mad because these damn trains keep comming by all the time..did I say I'm mad about the trains!!!!"

This is your Dak truther club...

 

[Nexx]

he can't. he needs the team around him to elevate him. needs all pro oline, all pro WR's, all pro running backs and TE's be successful. its disgusting how much the Cowboys have invested in players around him and he still can't get anything done. Rush is not even a viable backup in this league on most NFL teams but he can win games with this personnel.