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One thing that always amazes me about the Jerry bashing is the perpetuated idea that Jerry is just as bad now as he was the day Jimmy left Dallas. Truth is, Jerry has improved by leaps and bounds since those days and I'm not sure you can believe otherwise without being dishonest to yourself.

People always say things that give you idea that right now at this moment it has gotten to be too much. The past 15+ seasons were bad but right now they can no longer go any further.

Its funny. Not in a comical way but it an odd, ironic way.

How can right now be the time where its "enough". I don't get it. After watching the 1996-2002 seasons (especially the 5-11 trifecta), how can right now be too much? Seriously, how can right now bee the tipping point?

After seeing him waste multiple DRAFTS (not just picks but ENTIRE DRAFTS) either by bending over in the Joey Galloway trade or drafting players in the 2nd round who have no earthly right of being drafted in that spot, how can now be the time?

After watching him go out and throw truck loads of money at washed-up vets even as recently as 2003 with Marcellus Wiley, what was it that made right now any worse?

After watching the abomination that was this teams hunt for at least an "average" QB, you're more pissed right now? Intercepteverde, Carter, Henson, Ryan ***** Leaf, Anthony Wright and countless others all embarrassed me on Sunday. I didn't include Bledsoe because he was at least serviceable but these guys were foul and were not talking backups like the case with Johnson and Bollinger. These guys were supposed to start. However, despite that list of A-1 crap, this is the time you say?

Color me confused.

I'll admit, Jerry has made a huge *** of himself. In the past. However, you start looking at his body of work in the last 5-6 years and then compare that with the previous 8 years and I think you will see a tale of two very different stories.

I honestly don't think the bottom was much further down than any of those 5-11 seasons. I would say Oakland and Cleveland are at rock bottom but I tell ya what, if Jerry hadn't went a different route than the one he was taking I think Dallas would still suck to this day.

People laugh at Oakland for drafting players WAY TOO HIGH and paying top dollar for average talent but rewind the clock 8 years and people were looking at Dallas in the same manner. Jerry was Al Davis. Not to the extent that Al Davis is currently going with but he wasn't far off.

It's just amazing that people can come out and say Jerry's the root of all evil. Since he hired Bill, Jerry has been a completely different cat. He and Stephen have done a wonderful job with the cap. They have brought in fresh talent with contracts that are not crippling should that player completely bomb. The drafting in Dallas has improved by such an amount that it is almost unbelievable. Few misses here and there but you look at all the home-grown talent that Dallas has and it's hard to say that Jerry didn't adjust his mindset in that area.

I dunno, maybe its just me but IMO Jerry is the least of this teams problems. What more could he do? Everyone harps on the "hire a GM" but what would that do? How many GMs are actually doing a good job out there? Philly, New England, Indy, Pittsburgh? Just about it isn't it? Good GMs aren't out there in abundance.

And besides, hiring a GM does nothing because the problem for this team has not been acquiring talent. And if that isn't the problem and also happens to be the primary job of a GM, what are you actually improving by designating someone GM? I guess all that leaves is coaching decisions.

Basically, what we've come down to is people are pissed at who Jerry has for coach. That's fine because I am not exactly the biggest Wade supporter but I also realize, you can only hire from a pool of available coaches. And yes, I too would have preferred a young coach. Looking at the job he has done in SF, I would have loved Singletary. But here's the problem with a young coach. Jerry already had his young coach. Jason Garrett (the guy everyone was sporting an erection over after his 1st year) was/is Jerry's young coach. We know that, Mike Singletary knew that and every other candidate who applied for the job knew that.

With that said, you can pretty much bet that the guys with years ahead of them in the coaching business are instantly turned off to some degree. No one wants to play seat-warmer. At least no-one who has plans for coaching for another 20 years. So you're stuck with the old guys. You got Norv and you got Wade. Neither was a stellar option but for what this team needed, Wade was the "lesser of two evils". The pool was shallow to begin with and having a certified GM wouldn't change that a single bit.

I guess if there is one knock on Jerry that I have seen in the last couple of years is that he still has the "get rich quick" type of mentality. He tried far too much to buy low and sell high with a couple of players. Tank and Pacman, specifically. I didn't include TO because TO was actually productive and aside from being a giant queen, he was a great addition.

But, evidence by their releases, I think he's figured out that risk/reward signings rarely pays off. The old Jerry wouldn't have done it. The old Jerry wouldn't have cut TO either. The old Jerry was completely enamored with talent and no matter how unproductive or disruptive, Jerry would cling to that player.

Jerry isn't perfect. I don't think anyone will ever say he is but the man is doing everything he can to make things work. He has a lot more invested than any of us and he wants a winner just as bad as any of us, if not more. If after all the crap that man brought on himself wasn't enough to make you snap back then, I can't see how now is the breaking point. The two situations do not even compare. And for anyone who's gonna say that it was all just a collective sucking by Jerry that finally tipped em, get a grip. No playoff success and numerous losing seasons in a span of 13-14 years will make anyone snap but to go bonkers because it is all the fault of 1 person is just batty.

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I read the novel, Hoofbite. Good post.

And I agree. Jerry isn't perfect, to say the least, but he's come a long way from the late-90s/early 2000s when he was completely clueless.

He had a hiccup when he went after Tank and Pacman -- and maybe TO -- but the overall trend is toward improvement.

And with Stephen taking over more and more, things should only get better.
 

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Jerry Jones is incapable of shame or humility, thus such a display would simply go unheard

Everybody here realizes he isnt cut out to be the GM of this team, but there is nothing we can do about it. He's the GM until he dies, for better or for worse.
 

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Hoofbite;2973136 said:
One thing that always amazes me about the Jerry bashing is the perpetuated idea that Jerry is just as bad now as he was the day Jimmy left Dallas. Truth is, Jerry has improved by leaps and bounds since those days and I'm not sure you can believe otherwise without being dishonest to yourself.

People always say things that give you idea that right now at this moment it has gotten to be too much. The past 15+ seasons were bad but right now they can no longer go any further.

Its funny. Not in a comical way but it an odd, ironic way.

How can right now be the time where its "enough". I don't get it. After watching the 1996-2002 seasons (especially the 5-11 trifecta), how can right now be too much? Seriously, how can right now bee the tipping point?

After seeing him waste multiple DRAFTS (not just picks but ENTIRE DRAFTS) either by bending over in the Joey Galloway trade or drafting players in the 2nd round who have no earthly right of being drafted in that spot, how can now be the time?

After watching him go out and throw truck loads of money at washed-up vets even as recently as 2003 with Marcellus Wiley, what was it that made right now any worse?

After watching the abomination that was this teams hunt for at least an "average" QB, you're more pissed right now? Intercepteverde, Carter, Henson, Ryan ***** Leaf, Anthony Wright and countless others all embarrassed me on Sunday. I didn't include Bledsoe because he was at least serviceable but these guys were foul and were not talking backups like the case with Johnson and Bollinger. These guys were supposed to start. However, despite that list of A-1 crap, this is the time you say?

Color me confused.

I'll admit, Jerry has made a huge *** of himself. In the past. However, you start looking at his body of work in the last 5-6 years and then compare that with the previous 8 years and I think you will see a tale of two very different stories.

I honestly don't think the bottom was much further down than any of those 5-11 seasons. I would say Oakland and Cleveland are at rock bottom but I tell ya what, if Jerry hadn't went a different route than the one he was taking I think Dallas would still suck to this day.

People laugh at Oakland for drafting players WAY TOO HIGH and paying top dollar for average talent but rewind the clock 8 years and people were looking at Dallas in the same manner. Jerry was Al Davis. Not to the extent that Al Davis is currently going with but he wasn't far off.

It's just amazing that people can come out and say Jerry's the root of all evil. Since he hired Bill, Jerry has been a completely different cat. He and Stephen have done a wonderful job with the cap. They have brought in fresh talent with contracts that are not crippling should that player completely bomb. The drafting in Dallas has improved by such an amount that it is almost unbelievable. Few misses here and there but you look at all the home-grown talent that Dallas has and it's hard to say that Jerry didn't adjust his mindset in that area.

I dunno, maybe its just me but IMO Jerry is the least of this teams problems. What more could he do? Everyone harps on the "hire a GM" but what would that do? How many GMs are actually doing a good job out there? Philly, New England, Indy, Pittsburgh? Just about it isn't it? Good GMs aren't out there in abundance.

And besides, hiring a GM does nothing because the problem for this team has not been acquiring talent. And if that isn't the problem and also happens to be the primary job of a GM, what are you actually improving by designating someone GM? I guess all that leaves is coaching decisions.

Basically, what we've come down to is people are pissed at who Jerry has for coach. That's fine because I am not exactly the biggest Wade supporter but I also realize, you can only hire from a pool of available coaches. And yes, I too would have preferred a young coach. Looking at the job he has done in SF, I would have loved Singletary. But here's the problem with a young coach. Jerry already had his young coach. Jason Garrett (the guy everyone was sporting an erection over after his 1st year) was/is Jerry's young coach. We know that, Mike Singletary knew that and every other candidate who applied for the job knew that.

With that said, you can pretty much bet that the guys with years ahead of them in the coaching business are instantly turned off to some degree. No one wants to play seat-warmer. At least no-one who has plans for coaching for another 20 years. So you're stuck with the old guys. You got Norv and you got Wade. Neither was a stellar option but for what this team needed, Wade was the "lesser of two evils". The pool was shallow to begin with and having a certified GM wouldn't change that a single bit.

I guess if there is one knock on Jerry that I have seen in the last couple of years is that he still has the "get rich quick" type of mentality. He tried far too much to buy low and sell high with a couple of players. Tank and Pacman, specifically. I didn't include TO because TO was actually productive and aside from being a giant queen, he was a great addition.

But, evidence by their releases, I think he's figured out that risk/reward signings rarely pays off. The old Jerry wouldn't have done it. The old Jerry wouldn't have cut TO either. The old Jerry was completely enamored with talent and no matter how unproductive or disruptive, Jerry would cling to that player.

Jerry isn't perfect. I don't think anyone will ever say he is but the man is doing everything he can to make things work. He has a lot more invested than any of us and he wants a winner just as bad as any of us, if not more. If after all the crap that man brought on himself wasn't enough to make you snap back then, I can't see how now is the breaking point. The two situations do not even compare. And for anyone who's gonna say that it was all just a collective sucking by Jerry that finally tipped em, get a grip. No playoff success and numerous losing seasons in a span of 13-14 years will make anyone snap but to go bonkers because it is all the fault of 1 person is just batty.

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I almost agree with the whole post. Still, not everyone will go bonkers or snap while enduring x-amount of losing seasons. In my heart of hearts, I have to believe that the human spirit is much stronger than that on average. Some are just weak-hearted and could take a few lessons from those who have endured a whole lot worse--such as Saints fans.

And there wasn't any reason to insult queens. That was totally uncalled for. Terrell Owens may not have any standards of rationality, but they certainly do. :rolleyes: :laugh1:
 

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The30YardSlant;2973160 said:
Jerry Jones is incapable of shame or humility, thus such a display would simply go unheard

Everybody here realizes he isnt cut out to be the GM of this team, but there is nothing we can do about it. He's the GM until he dies, for better or for worse.
Literally or figuratively?
 

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Let me rephrase: Everybody with a functioning brainstem and an ounce of objectivity realizes we would be better off if Jerry hired a real GM

He's a fantastic owner. As a GM, he's had a few shining moments surrounded by mountains of fecal matter
 

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The30YardSlant;2973193 said:
Let me rephrase: Everybody with a functioning brainstem and an ounce of objectivity realizes we would be better off if Jerry hired a real GM

He's a fantastic owner. As a GM, he's had a few shining moments surrounded by mountains of fecal matter

The problem with this is that we'd just start arguing about Jerry's inability to hire the right GM. It's always going to be Jerry's fault. Cereally.
 

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tomson75;2973201 said:
The problem with this is that we'd just start arguing about Jerry's inability to hire the right GM. It's always going to be Jerry's fault. Cereally.

I'd take my chances

This is all moot, though. Jerry's narcissistic nature will never allow him to relinquish the control that comes with being a GM.
 

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The30YardSlant;2973193 said:
Let me rephrase: Everybody with a functioning brainstem and an ounce of objectivity realizes we would be better off if Jerry hired a real GM

Who is this mysterious GM you mention?
 

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tomson75;2973201 said:
The problem with this is that we'd just start arguing about Jerry's inability to hire the right GM. It's always going to be Jerry's fault. Cereally.

Jerry's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
 

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bbgun;2973258 said:
Jerry's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

:laugh2:

Go read the transcript of his chat if you want a good laugh.
 

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Big Dakota;2972775 said:
It's funny, every site i've been a long term member of(all 3) going back to the Star Telegram in the late 90's has had it's "Lets buy a billboard" threads. I just find it funny. Thanks for making me smile today:)


Good memory. You are correct. Every couple of years someone trots out this bad idea.
 

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superpunk;2972978 said:
This will solve all of our problems.

If, by "solve all our problems", we are referring to the problem we have wherein we cannot figure out what sort of meaningless gesture we could throw our expendable cash at.

Because this would solve that problem.


Best Post in thread.

You continue to churn out gems.

I'm in awe.
 

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dallasfaniac;2972849 said:
If anything, Jerry even enjoys the negative publicity, so these stunts would do litte to no good. The best way to get at Jerry is through the wallet. I suggest a blackout protest. Stop buying jerseys, going to games, watching games on TV that generate advertising revenue or even visiting Cowboy forums until Jerry has stepped down.

Sorry bro, I have watched every game since 89 and have an entire room in my house devoted to the Boyz. We are talking posers, jerseys, football cards, lamps, ect.....

I am not boycotting my Boyz, Jerry aint that bad bro.
 

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bbgun;2972768 said:
You're assuming that the man is capable of humility or embarrassment. Wrong.

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