CFZ A bold roster strategy I would support

[12+88=7]

I was hoping for some bold moves before free agency, trades or restructures, but nothing happened.

This told me it would be business as usual. Limited to no free agency and the draft.

That's where we are. Thinking about other scenarios are just fantasies and wishful thinking.

 

[Diehardblues]

Isn’t it interesting how much of our big talents become less impactful on the bigger stages. This would suggest our issues are much deeper than our lack of talent and weaknesses.

 

[DandyDon52]

It’s not a tantrum. I view players first and foremost about whether or not their presence on the team makes us better able to win playoff games in proportion to what we’re paying them. IMO paying Cedee Lamb top dollar as a WR does not make us better.

yeah I have been saying trade lamb for exact same reasons. The picks you get for him, if used wisely could make the team better than it is with him,
and paying all that money to one guy. Also once he gets his "bag" he might let up like many do, or become more of a diva.

Fans like him, and that is why jerry will keep him, regardless of what he does in games, he puts fans in seats, and sells jerseys.
He is what i will call a KTR player, Keep Team Relevant ! lol

As long as jerry keeps building KTR teams they wont be good enough to win in playoffs, much less win a SB.

The other thing is I keep saying coaching is important, but fans dont get it. They focus on players.
Take dak for example.
Dak is awful, Dak is great. but without a good HC, and staff, Dak will never be great, Same for the team.

Jerry keeps hiring these lame HC's, and that is the biggest problem cowboys have had since
2007.
MM is like dak, unless you give him a all star roster, he will falter in playoffs. And jerry has only given him and JG the KTR rosters.

And now Jerry has gotten worse,wont use FA at all except for jags, and gives the bulk of money to a few supposed stars.
So without a new and good HC Who hires his own staff. Cowboys are doomed to be KTR and nothing more.

I would love to see BB hired in 25, and see what he could do, give him a few years and see if he can change the culture, and have
the team prepared for games, and less penaltys , more innovation, etc.

 

[stiletto]

I love you @Bobhaze , but I don't fully agree with this. I don't think getting rid of Micah and CeeDee is such a good idea. Besides, look at how our FO screwed up when we traded away A. Cooper!! You think they would get any of these other trades right? LOL

It's all about the compensation. Nobody would want to see those guys leave for the pot pie that they got for Amari. That was just stupid but if you start accumulating foundational type draft picks then that's another story.

I don't think it will ever happen like BH said but if the ownership doesn't like these guys because of their playoff performances, I would rather they get something for them while they can.

 

[stiletto]

It’s not a tantrum. I view players first and foremost about whether or not their presence on the team makes us better able to win playoff games in proportion to what we’re paying them. IMO paying Cedee Lamb top dollar as a WR does not make us better.

CeeDee hasn't looked great in any playoff game except for the Tampa game (where everyone did). I am betting it has given ownership pause in giving any of these guys big contracts.

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

Jerry isn't giving up those Parsons and Lamb jersey sales. That plays more of a role than winning.

 

[Diehardblues]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

Interesting concept. But how long or how many years for a rebuild?

it’s taken us almost 10 years to put together this nucleus of talent. Why would we think our FO is all of a sudden start hitting bigger in the draft. And would need to for several drafts.

Unfortunately with our leadership this is probably as good as it gets which leaves us construing these desperate type measures.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

The Above is LONG overdue.............common Jerry pick up the AX man and do what must be done!!!
They got their Bags and Failed......start swinging Jerry!!!!!

 

[Diehardblues]

yeah I have been saying trade lamb for exact same reasons. The picks you get for him, if used wisely could make the team better than it is with him,
and paying all that money to one guy. Also once he gets his "bag" he might let up like many do, or become more of a diva.

Fans like him, and that is why jerry will keep him, regardless of what he does in games, he puts fans in seats, and sells jerseys.
He is what i will call a KTR player, Keep Team Relevant ! lol

As long as jerry keeps building KTR teams they wont be good enough to win in playoffs, much less win a SB.

The other thing is I keep saying coaching is important, but fans dont get it. They focus on players.
Take dak for example.
Dak is awful, Dak is great. but without a good HC, and staff, Dak will never be great, Same for the team.

Jerry keeps hiring these lame HC's, and that is the biggest problem cowboys have had since
2007.
MM is like dak, unless you give him a all star roster, he will falter in playoffs. And jerry has only given him and JG the KTR rosters.

And now Jerry has gotten worse,wont use FA at all except for jags, and gives the bulk of money to a few supposed stars.
So without a new and good HC Who hires his own staff. Cowboys are doomed to be KTR and nothing more.

I would love to see BB hired in 25, and see what he could do, give him a few years and see if he can change the culture, and have
the team prepared for games, and less penaltys , more innovation, etc.

Yea, I’m afraid this is probably about as good as it gets with our dysfunctional ownership.

I’d like to see what an Elite HOF caliber QB could do for overcoming our toxic culture. We’d probably screw that up too.

We must remember what this toxic culture did to the greatest team in Cowboys history.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I understand Dak, because he's had enough chances and has proven he can't get it done. I understand guys like DLaw, because he's older. (Plus he's very tired.)

But why do people want to get rid of CeeDee? I don't get it. He's a stud at one of the most coveted positions in the league, and he's still young.

Because draft picks equal championships. Haven't you been paying attention? The Cowboys are the very bestest at drafting and you are not allowed to count 2023, you just have to accept it as fact.

Stephen likes draft picks because their mean old agents aren't allowed to negotiate, the terms are already set. Stephen gets to play Football Big Boy and sit across the table and put a contract in front of them, AND THEY HAVE TO SIGN IT. You see, he's signing players so he's legitimate BUT the agents can't make any demands because when they do, Big Boy Stephen is taken to the woodshed and exposed.

Meanwhile, Jerry has already added a playoff team so there is more opportunities for his mediocre teams to make it into the post-season. His next big project is getting rid of guaranteed coach contracts to help with the "epidemic" of coaching dead money in the NFL, even though there is no salary cap for coaches. Now, when Jerry announces Jason Garrett is the next Tom Landry or McCarthy is a Super Bowl caliber coach, and he is quickly proven foolish and wrong, he can fire them for not living up to his lofty proclamations.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

CeeDee hasn't looked great in any playoff game except for the Tampa game (where everyone did). I am betting it has given ownership pause in giving any of these guys big contracts.

How is a WR supposed to look good when his QB is throwing up all over himself?

 

[stiletto]

How is a WR supposed to look good when his QB is throwing up all over himself?

I agree. CeeDee did drop a big 3rd down pass and immediately started sulking on the sidelines. He's not without blame. Who made any plays even after they caught the ball when the QB was able to get it to them? Ferguson maybe? I'm still disgusted at all of them quite frankly.

 

[Flinger]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

lol...

Good enough to get to playoff games. Not good enought to win them. So, let's get rid of the ones who make up the core who got us there for 3 consecutive years? What? Keep the others? Replace them with "better players"? That's a lot of All-Pro's to replace...

So, we take a good, not great team, and make it a mediocre, maybe poor team - with a random hope they will be better? Base on, what, exactly? History?

In what universe exists the possibility that the family who built the existing "core" of players has any competency to replace it? That core woud not only need to be replaced, but improved, if your assertion is true that they cannot win a championship.

Talking about risk management? This is called shooting your own foot off just before racing a marathon... intentionally

 

[Reality]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

I have always said that every player should be availble for trade and every position should be up for grabs every season.

This team needs a core reset and the best way to do that is with removing high-end contracts and having multiple first round picks over 2-3 years.

I would have no issue with trading any player on the roster if doing so yields high round draft picks.

 

[SultanOfSix]

 

[fivetwos]

Interesting concept. But how long or how many years for a rebuild?

it’s taken us almost 10 years to put together this nucleus of talent. Why would we think our FO is all of a sudden start hitting bigger in the draft. And would need to for several drafts.

Unfortunately with our leadership this is probably as good as it gets which leaves us construing these desperate type measures.

They over evaluate what they have in house, and on several levels.

They fail to see where the roster needs a boost. They think like fans, and that mid round picks are going to miraculously become something. I know because I spent years doing it.

So even when they get lucky enough to have a couple of decent drafts in shorter period to accumulate some depth, they aren’t capable of doing the right thing when it happens.

I’d love to not only know where the next QB is coming from, but who on staff here is developing that player??

That’s why I wanted Sean Payton, but that timing didn’t work.

I was also told that Payton had the same record as McCarthy so thered be no difference.

I’d like to ask those same people….who would you rather have trying to find a new QB and rebuild a franchise….Payton or McCarthy? It’s not even close, and in 2-3 years, Denver will be enjoying success, Dallas will be starting the next Anthony Wright, and McCarthy will be out of the league enjoying Jerry’s money.

 

[Sandyf]

Hmmm, well it is bold.

 

[Doomsday]

MP is 24, nothing any team can give Dallas would be worth trading him. He is a guy you can build around.

The other players I would be with trading, even though Lamb is a stud, WRs are easy to find so you can make an argument for going with younger guys who won't destroy the CAP.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Isn’t it interesting how much of our big talents become less impactful on the bigger stages. This would suggest our issues are much deeper than our lack of talent and weaknesses.

yeah but nobody sees that until the END of the season, we have to start looking at ALL of the games, ESPECIALLY the wins!!! Just because we win a game doesn't mean things were perfect, in losses, the same mistakes happen they're just masked by a win

 

[Bobhaze]

There is nothing to dislike about this plan. Get a ton of picks and new blood. I'd actually be excited if they did this. But couldn't they just have been a little more active in FA to try to improve upon our current team? Of course that would include extending Dak, and that might be a mistake. But they might end up extending him anyway.

All I am saying is, had they wanted to be a true SB contender they could have improved the team. They chose not to. But I kind of like your idea better.

The thing about the Jones FO that baffles me the most: They are more than willing to pay top dollar - even SET the market with players that have essentially done almost nothing in the playoffs.

I don’t have anything against Cedee Lamb, Parsons or Dak. Or the other top dollar players. Individually, most of them have had good stats. But the key question for me is, what have they done collectively for us? Again, in the regular season, very good results but in the playoffs they have folded.

Why keep that together at top dollar? Sadly, the answer to that question is because it sells jerseys, seat licenses and advertising.