A Few Defensive Thoughts After Watching The All-22

[xwalker]

you don't have to guess...

they are basically even in tackles. Lee has a handful more.
Lee has far more interceptions but far less sacks.
Passes defensed are virtually even. 18 to 17 for Lee.

McClain played at a pro bowl level in 2011.

Yep, my point in this discussion is that he stated something as fact, but he is just guessing.

 

[TrailBlazer]

There is no definitive answer in looking at the stats. McClain has sacks and Lee has INTs:

Tackles per Game Played
McClain = 6.1
Lee = 6.3

Sacks
McClain 6.5
Lee 0

Passes Defensed
McClain 20
Lee 18

INTs
McClain 1
Lee 11

Safety (Similar to a sack)
McClain 1
Lee 0

NFL.com says lee has started 46 games compared to 42 for Ro

 

[xwalker]

NFL.com says lee has started 46 games compared to 42 for Ro

That's game played, not starts.

Games Played:
McClain 42
Lee 46

Games Started:
McClain 39
Lee 32

 

[ConstantReboot]

I'm not talking health issues. Ro has motivation issues. Put those issues aside and I still think the pro bowler is the better player overall. I hope for the cowboys Ro fills that whole for years to come and lee can slide to will. But I'm not willing to forget all the good things lee has done while healthy and say Ro is better after one game.

Ro has motivation issues? He was there on game day. He showed up and played and did pretty well. So whats the issue?

 

[ConstantReboot]

Moving the goalposts. If you read my posts I said I hope Ro fils that spot for years to come so lee can move to will. But ppl saying ro is the superior player at THIS POINT are incorrect. I'm talking about head to head who is the best player. Throw out injury issues and motivation issues. I take the pro bowler every time and twice on Sunday.

I didn't say he was the superior player. I stated that Ro has qualities that he has over Lee. Read over what I said. A probowler who is mostly injured and is isn't out the entire year doesn't do a team any good. I love Lee but his injured alot. Right now I will take a player with a shaky past contributing to our defense over a probowler who is injured for the year and isn't playing. I think its you who's moving the goal post not me.

 

[TrailBlazer]

I didn't say he was the superior player. I stated that Ro has qualities that he has over Lee. Read over what I said. A probowler who is mostly injured and is isn't out the entire year doesn't do a team any good. I love Lee but his injured alot. Right now I will take a player with a shaky past contributing to our defense over a probowler who is injured for the year and isn't playing. I think its you who's moving the goal post not me.

Fair enough

 

[CCBoy]

That's game played, not starts.

Games Played:
McClain 42
Lee 46

Games Started:
McClain 39
Lee 32

You and Percy keep this fan informed...

 

[jobberone]

Agree. Say that McClain is more physical in the run game, fine. But Lee's anticipation and hands for the interception are ridiculous for a linebacker. And we all know how important pass defense is in today's NFL.

I agree but the point here is to get the best players on the field. McClain is playing better than I thought he would at this point and playing the Mike better esp at the this point than I thought he would. I'm not sure who the better Mike is but I can make a case for either player. My guess is McClain will stay at Mike because he's better there that at the Sam whereas I think Lee can play anywhere.

 

[CCBoy]

I agree but the point here is to get the best players on the field. McClain is playing better than I thought he would at this point and playing the Mike better esp at the this point than I thought he would. I'm not sure who the better Mike is but I can make a case for either player. My guess is McClain will stay at Mike because he's better there that at the Sam whereas I think Lee can play anywhere.

I disagree on concepts that round out a decision. I think at weak side, Sean Lee's increases by five years. That, and with both Sean and Rolando McClain on the field at the same time, there is more hitting and plays being made. At the least, that closes up 2/3rds of the field behind the line of scrimmage to the secondary. That says it all.

 

[jobberone]

I disagree on concepts that round out a decision. I think at weak side, Sean Lee's increases by five years. That, and with both Sean and Rolando McClain on the field at the same time, there is more hitting and plays being made. At the least, that closes up 2/3rds of the field behind the line of scrimmage to the secondary. That says it all.

Well, all right.

 

[CCBoy]

Well, all right.

(still chuckling to self)

 

[jterrell]

The talk was Dallas considered adding CJ Mosley and moving Sean Lee outside so he took less abuse.

If that was really internal Cowboys discussion than all this is just chatter and in fact the team looks like it has gotten very lucky.
McClain is basically Mosley's older clone.

Lee, McClain, Carter is arguably the most athletic linebacker 3-some in all of football.
It definitely is east of Nevada. (SF, SEA)

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The talk was Dallas considered adding CJ Mosley and moving Sean Lee outside so he took less abuse.

If that was really internal Cowboys discussion than all this is just chatter and in fact the team looks like it has gotten very lucky.
McClain is basically Mosley's older clone.

Lee, McClain, Carter is arguably the most athletic linebacker 3-some in all of football.
It definitely is east of Nevada. (SF, SEA)

Not saying you're wrong jt, but that Stretch Smith guy on 103.3 was advocating all pre-draft season for the Cowboys to do exactly what you said, to draft Mosley (or some other MLB prospect) and move Lee to the WLB to maybe keep him healthy. But I heard they supposedly asked Stephen about it and he said they weren't considering that. Now I guess he could have been lying, but that's what he said the way I remember it.

 

[dbonham]

Makes you wonder how he got into a school of higher learning.

I applied to LSU as a joke under the pseudonym "Rocky" and was offered a full ride within 20 minutes

 

[jterrell]

Not saying you're wrong jt, but that Stretch Smith guy on 103.3 was advocating all pre-draft season for the Cowboys to do exactly what you said, to draft Mosley (or some other MLB prospect) and move Lee to the WLB to maybe keep him healthy. But I heard they supposedly asked Stephen about it and he said they weren't considering that. Now I guess he could have been lying, but that's what he said the way I remember it.

I didn't get it from 103.3 because I don't listen to them at all anymore. Stretch was the main guy advocating moving to a 4-3 and firing Ryan as quickly as possible to bring in the dinosaurs.
He is a football guy so I wanted to like him but I just never got him at all. His football points were just poor imho.

But it appears they did decide to punt on that idea if it was ever real internally. Mosley obviously was there for the taking and they passed.

Smith knows a lot of Cowboys staff so I am guessing his idea wasn't so original but I could be wrong.

Whatever the case if McClain maintains and Lee gets healthy they have an awesome problem to solve.
Plus they got Zach Martin to boot.

 

[AsthmaField]

Not saying you're wrong jt, but that Stretch Smith guy on 103.3 was advocating all pre-draft season for the Cowboys to do exactly what you said, to draft Mosley (or some other MLB prospect) and move Lee to the WLB to maybe keep him healthy. But I heard they supposedly asked Stephen about it and he said they weren't considering that. Now I guess he could have been lying, but that's what he said the way I remember it.

Maybe you're right, maybe not... I don't know. However, if Dallas would have been internally, seriously considering that, then I think Stephen would have for sure said they weren't going to do that to anyone that asked. Teams aren't very transparent pre-draft.

 

[xwalker]

Not saying you're wrong jt, but that Stretch Smith guy on 103.3 was advocating all pre-draft season for the Cowboys to do exactly what you said, to draft Mosley (or some other MLB prospect) and move Lee to the WLB to maybe keep him healthy. But I heard they supposedly asked Stephen about it and he said they weren't considering that. Now I guess he could have been lying, but that's what he said the way I remember it.

The idea of having an ex-scout on the radio is great, but unfortunately Glen "Stretch" Smith is a buffoon.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Not saying you're wrong jt, but that Stretch Smith guy on 103.3 was advocating all pre-draft season for the Cowboys to do exactly what you said, to draft Mosley (or some other MLB prospect) and move Lee to the WLB to maybe keep him healthy. But I heard they supposedly asked Stephen about it and he said they weren't considering that. Now I guess he could have been lying, but that's what he said the way I remember it.

*sigh* like father, like son.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I applied to LSU as a joke under the pseudonym "Rocky" and was offered a full ride within 20 minutes

I think you embellished that story.

Everyone knows it would take at least an hour to get all the signatures required to offer such a scholarship.

 

[Doc50]

I applied to LSU as a joke under the pseudonym "Rocky" and was offered a full ride within 20 minutes

Did you play football, another sport, or was this an academic ride?