A few quick points...

[Primetime0201]

Okay now I know that most of you won't reply to this because a post with facts and reason seems to go no where around here and is just ignored because it doesn't say. EVERY PLAYER ON OUR ROSTER DESERVES TO BE IN THE PROBOWL! But I figure I'll just humor myself if nothing else.

First I would just like to say once again that we need a #1 running back for Barber to compliment not the other way around. I know I know Barber is a Cowboy so he must be HOF material. Well just for this post lets take a little trip to fantasy Island and pretend that not everyone with a star on their helmet is AMAZING. Lets make believe for a moment that we can actually have a bust or just okay player on the Cowboys.

If anyone ever fit the bill of just okay it would be Marion Barber, yes I said it Marion is just okay! For a change of pace back. But before I can show you the light I have to knock down the wall that is blocking it so lets try that first.

A lot of people like to make a big stink about his play against New England. "He is a beast, didn't you see that run against the Pats where he dodge like 5 tackles." Yes I did. "How can anyone say he isn't a workhorse he fought through 5 sure tackles to save a safety against the Patriots." I saw and I was very happy we didn't end up with a -2 point play BUT can we look at this play a bit deeper? Pop Quiz kids get out your #2's, I hope you all studied.

Questions
1. Why was he in the endzone to begin with?
2. How many yards did he gain?
3. Did he get a first down?

Answers
1. He runs backwards to much. (thus part of the reason for his 2nd half performance in the playoffs.)
2. 2! Yep thats all 2 yards. Hard to believe I know seeing as everyone makes it like the best play in Cowboy history.
3. NO! No he did not get the first!

So in his most famous play in a Cowboy uniform he lost 2 yards almost cost us 2 points and didn't even manage to pick up the first.

A lot of people like to make posts off pure speculation. "He will be a great workhorse." Really? You think? What makes you say that? "We have to give him a chance as starter before we can say he can't handle 4 Quarters." I thought we did... Yes yes we did against the Giants in the playoffs. How did that turn out? I am not bashing anyone for speculating. I do it, you do it, heck we all do it. But do not turn speculation into fact because the fact is he has only been a starter once in his career and he died out in the 3rd and we lost to a team we beat twice that season.

I don't understand why you people are at home and not the GM of the dolphins. I mean you obviously know more then Bill Parcells. Why aren't you in the HOF? You can spot talent better then a HOF coach so by all wrights you should take his place.

Did any of you ever stop to think that there might be a reason that Barber has NEVER been a starter?

My favorite though are the people who say we shouldn't trade a proven back in Barber for an unproven back in DMC. But when I bring up Barber's stats as a starter the very same people will say that he should have a chance to prove himself. They say that 1 game isn't enough to prove your self to be good or bad. So what is it? Is he proven or unproven? I really want to know because things are getting confusing for me. I mean either he is a proven back who died in the 3rd and can't carry a team a whole game let alone a whole season or he is an unproven back and in that case a Barber for McFadden trade wouldn't be as bad or stupid as you people make it out to be. Or is he just proven as a change of pace back? If so why would we give a change of pace back starter money? It's that time again! Get your loose leaf people!

Question
1. Marion Barber is a...
a. Proven Back
b. Unproven Back
c. Proven change of pace Back

2. Barber never got the start because
a. Parcells and Minnesota have no idea what they are doing
b. Julius Jones is that good
c. Barber is just a change of pace back

3. Trading Barber would be stupid because
a. We need an unproven back who makes starter money
b. We need a proven back who makes starter money but can't play a full 4
c. You just want to be different and say McFadden isn't good

Okay people so by now there probably aren't many of you left reading this but I must press on. I would like to do a run down of Marion's career. So he plays in Minnesota as a change of pace back. He is drafted to Dallas where he plays a change of pace back behind Julius Jones (who sucks and shouldn't be the starter) Parcells sees him as nothing more then a change of pace back. Parcells leaves and in comes Phillips who also sees Barber as a change of pace back. With Jones as the #1 we win 13 games 2nd best record in the NFL first in the NFC. We win the NFC East along with a bye and home field. Oh yeah and we beat the Giants twice. But for some reason we have to change things in the playoffs. So Barber gets his shot and dies out in the 3rd. We lose at home to a team we beat twice that year after a bye and that very team goes on to win the Super Bowl.

Marion while very exciting to watch can not carry a team. If used as a change of pace back he can do great things as he proved all season. But as a #1 he can't last all 4 as he proved in the playoffs. This brings us to our next exam. Don't worry it's not a hard one, all ya have to do is fill in the blank.

1. Marion Barber has proven himself to be a great _______ Running back.
2. Marion Barber was a great _______ Running Back in college.
3. Bill Parcells and everyone else that has coached Barber has seen him as a great _______ Running Back.

All three answers are change of pace. I told you it would be easy.

Now up until now I have not shown any proof to back up this little rant well lets take a look at Barbers 2nd half numbers.

2nd half plays for Barber only in playoff game as a starter.
01. 2 yards
02. 3 yards
03. 5 yards (His best of the half)
04. -2 yards
05. 3 yards
06. 3 yards
07. -1 yard
08. 2 yards
09. 4 yards
10. -1 yard

If it were Jones who had these stats you would all be calling for his head. In the second half of the game he averaged 1.5 yards per carry. 1.5 PEOPLE! 2 plays for negative yards 3 for 2 yards a piece. In 6 carries he averaged .3 yards! His best was for 5 yards and worst for -2. We will have one more pop quiz before we have the final exam.

What doesn't belong?
1. RB with 1.5 YPC, RB with 5 YPC
2. RB good for 2 Quarters, RB good for 4 Quarters
3. RB with Wins, RB with Losses

Answers
1. 1.5
2. 2 Quarters
3. Loses

FINAL EXAM

Marion starts a play at 1st and 20 at the 10. Runs backwards for 10 yards and then 8 more into the end zone. Marion breaks 8 tackles and From there he runs for 20 yards.

1. Did Marion get the first?
2. How many yards did he actually pick up?
3. 20 - 10 - 8 + 20 =

Parcells is a HOF coach. He sees a player as a backup at best. Another man who has never even played a game of football on a forum says Marion is better then that.

1. Who is right?
2. Does Bill deserve to be a HOF coach?
3. What makes you better then him?

Marion Barber has never started a game in his life. He has always been a back up running back and has excelled at that position. When he finaly gets his chance he blows it.

1. Is Marion just a back up?
2. Has Marion truly proven himself?
3. What has Marion proven himself to be?

Marion starts the second half with a 2 yard run, a 3 yard run and a 5 yard run. He is then tackled for -2 yards but comes back with a set of 3 yard runs. He ends the game with a -1 yarder a 2 yarder a 4 yarder and another -1 yarder.

1. How many yards did he have in the 2nd half?
2. What was his average in the 2nd half?
3. Did he fall apart in the 2nd half?
4. Did he have a good 2nd half?
5. Did he play like a workhorse?

 

[ndanger]

Anyone who writes a thread like this at roughly 2:30 am. is either
A. On very good drugs
B. Does not have a life
C. Has an obsessive compulsive disorder
D. All of the above
I think in your case the correct answer is D.
As for me responding at roughly 2:30 in the morning , my dogs woke me up barking incessantly at my cattle grazing on the other side of my fence.I came here to read to make myself sleepy and instead made my self ******** by reading this stupid thread.Hell everyone , even Osama Bin Laden, knows we need another running back. Bashing Barber does not enhance that view. It certainly doesn't enhance your football I.Q.
If it makes you feel good though, reading this and responding to it , has certainly lowered mine for a brief time.

 

[CalCBFan]

That's quite a post! I think it makes sense that Barber is the complimentary back, not the featured back. He is better suited to bashing a tired DL in the late 3rd and 4th quarters.

On the other hand there is evidence that complimentary backs in college have become major players in the pros. I mentioned this last month in a post pointing out that Priest Holmes "complimented" Ricky Williams at Texas, Jamal Lewis "backed-up" Travis Henry at Tenn, and Ryan Grant shared the backfield at ND w/ Julius Jones.

I also think that Barber's running style is not conducive to a 10-12 year career, but I think it makes sense to get someone in to share the load w/ him. I like the way the Giants use Jacobs and Ward (is that his name??). I think part of Julius' problem was being pulled our of the game every other series or so to run Barber. It obviously didn't bother Marion, but I do think Jones needed time to get into a rythm to be effective...

 

[Primetime0201]

First of all this is not ment to "Bash" Barber. It is ment to show that he isn't #1 material. I understand that you have a school girl crush on him and all but please do refrain from the insults. As I said Barber is a good change of pace back but his history shows thats all he has ever been and his playoff performance shows that's all he is good for.
I am stating facts.
1. He has never been seen as anything more then a change of pace back
2. His numbers in the playoffs show he couldn't carry the load
thats not bashing my friend. That is realising what we realy have rather then pretending we have something better then we do.

2nd yes many of backs who were backups in NCCA football have gone on to be very good starters. Marion didn't show any type of starter material by dieing in the 2nd. He didn't show to be as proven as everyone thinks he is. But why pay him #1 money if he can't do the work of a #1? Would you pay Romo or T.O. their type of money to play half a game?

 

[masomenos]

Let's see, in your signature you're using 10 carries in one half of 1 game as proof that Barber can't be a starting RB.

How has T.O. done in the second half against the Giants?

vs. Giants: 0 catches for 0 yards

How has Tony Romo done in the second half of the past two playoff games?

vs. Giants: 9-22 for 110 yards 0 TD and 1 INT

Oh no! They're not worthy of being starters when you look at their stats in a one game vacuum! Notice the ineffectiveness of our three star players in the second half, perhaps they all suck or perhaps it had something to do with our offensive line/improved play by the Giants d-line.

You readily make the assumption that all Cowboys fans think that all Cowboys players are the best in the league, but just look around this board and you see criticism of almost any player/coach.

Roy Williams = Sucks.
Bobby Carpenter = Bust.
Terrell Owens = Can't Catch and a Distraction.
Wade Phillips = Can't Win Playoff Games.
Flozell Adams = Too Many False Starts.
Kyle Kosier = Just Avergae.
Patrick Crayton = Gives Up on Routes.
Anthony Henry = Always Injured.
Greg Ellis = Cry Baby.
Akin Ayodele = Just Average.
Marcus Spears = Bust.
Tony Romo = Starts Too Slow, Can't Throw Deep, INT Prone.
Marion Barber = Overrated.

My God, how were we 13-3 last year?

You say you want to look at facts but then you stereotype Cowboys fans views and use ONE game as a reference to show that a player doesn't have the ability to start. You say barber has NEVER been that starter which isn't true, not including the playoff game. You say you bring up Barber's stats as a starter, but you don't. You bring up Barber's starts from one half as a starter. What about the first half of the Giants game? What about the 127 yards 2 TD game as a Starter vs. Arizona in 2005? No we should probably throw those out because they don't fit your agenda.

You call Barber unproven and then advocate drafting another unproven player who would cost both of our first round picks and a large portion of our cap. Trading one unproven for another that costs more and who's acquisition would hurt the teams ability to improve at other positions...that makes sense to you? That kind of logic is supposed to convince people that you're making reasonable arguments? Not a whole lot of people on this board want to see Barber taking 350+ carries next year, people realize that he needs a running mate and there are active debates going on about who that player should be. I'm not even against taking a 1st round RB to help Barber out, but using both our firsts in order to make a move for an unproven guy like McFadden would be even more foolhardy than signing a more proven, but still relatively unproven, guy like Barber to a contract.

It's clear you're working an agenda here so please, before you post next time, check your bias at the door.

 

[ctrous25]

Anyone who writes a thread like this at roughly 2:30 am. is either
A. On very good drugs
B. Does not have a life
C. Has an obsessive compulsive disorder
D. All of the above
I think in your case the correct answer is D.
As for me responding at roughly 2:30 in the morning , my dogs woke me up barking incessantly at my cattle grazing on the other side of my fence.I came here to read to make myself sleepy and instead made my self ******** by reading this stupid thread.Hell everyone , even Osama Bin Laden, knows we need another running back. Bashing Barber does not enhance that view. It certainly doesn't enhance your football I.Q.
If it makes you feel good though, reading this and responding to it , has certainly lowered mine for a brief time.

 

[theebs]

wow. If you think people are all homers here or something, why come here.

And you might need to record some games, because the reason barber was in the endzone on that play was because flozell was blown up. Flo was blown up by jarvis green, just like on the previous play where he had to tackle him from keeping him from hitting romo, he got a holding and backed us up.

in the middle wilfork destroyed gurode and harrison was coming on a blitz outside and once green blew up flo he had an easy angle, then with gurode out of the play and flo out of the play warren and seau came down the line and kosier was taken out.

So you explain to me where barber was supposed to go? He was handed the ball and hit immediately by green and harrison? He stayed on his feet and did what he always does, refuses to go down.


You do realize it was 1st and 20 right? And since he was hit as he was getting the ball how many backs would get a first down? Name one.

You also realize that mcfadden shared carries too right?

Maybe next time before you have a long winded post calling everyone a homer and hinting that no one knows anything, you take two seconds to look at the play and realize what happened.

and what is your hate for barber? Are u just ignorant? We will have two new backs this year and they will all get carries. No need to put the burden on one guy, no team seemingly does that anymore. Whatever role you put barber in he will succeed. Your argument is as comical as it is flawed, you did not give one reason to trade him and first round picks for a guy who couldnt carry the load in college with off the field red flags.

If you dont see what barber means to this team, then you need to study up and watch more football. Buy a ticket to a few games and watch the history of the league. He is a vital part of our team.

Or as jim johnson put it, "The toughest runner in the nfl", Or belichick "this guy is a great back" or mike mcarthy "he is the heart and soul of their offense".

 

[wick]

I'm going to sue you for the 10 minutes I lost plus damages.

 

[Bleu Star]

Anyone who writes a thread like this at roughly 2:30 am. is either
A. On very good drugs
B. D the correct answer is D.
As for me responding at roughly 2:30 in the morning , my dogs woke me up barking incessantly at my cattle grazing on the other side of my fence.I came here to read to make myself sleepy and instead made my self ******** by reading this stupid thread.Hell everyone , even Osama Bin Laden, knows we need another running back. Bashing Barber does not enhance that view. It certainly doesn't enhance your football I.Q.
If it makes you feel good though, reading this and responding to it , has certainly lowered mine for a brief time.

 

[BAZ]

When you say he was a change of pace back for JJ last year, do you mean going forward instead of backwards!

Hiyooo

ZOOM

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ZOOM!

But really, the Cowboys will draft a back, if he performs better then MBIII he will get more carries. Thats how Barber came through and thats the best way to work things. Blaming the Giants loss on him is hardly fair.

 

[Hostile]

If I responded to this the way I want to it would just be wrong. An elementary understanding of football is all you need to recognize this thread is not worth your time.

 

[Maxmadden]

We need 2 RB's out of this draft. The first needs to be a back capable of starting and I could care less if he compliments or insults MB3. The second back can be whatever.

I didn't necessarily disagree that MB3 is not an every down back. I just didn't necessarily like how you came to that conclusion.

I think MB3 is an excellent back but he is not long for the NFL at a starters pace. I know he can do it but I would rather prolong his effectiveness by sharing his workload.

We need 2 RB's out of this draft. The first needs to be a back capable of starting and I could care less if he compliments or insults MB3. The second back can be whatever.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

wow. If you think people are all homers here or something, why come here.

And you might need to record some games, because the reason barber was in the endzone on that play was because flozell was blown up. Flo was blown up by jarvis green, just like on the previous play where he had to tackle him from keeping him from hitting romo, he got a holding and backed us up.

in the middle wilfork destroyed gurode and harrison was coming on a blitz outside and once green blew up flo he had an easy angle, then with gurode out of the play and flo out of the play warren and seau came down the line and kosier was taken out.

So you explain to me where barber was supposed to go? He was handed the ball and hit immediately by green and harrison? He stayed on his feet and did what he always does, refuses to go down.


You do realize it was 1st and 20 right? And since he was hit as he was getting the ball how many backs would get a first down? Name one.

You also realize that mcfadden shared carries too right?

Maybe next time before you have a long winded post calling everyone a homer and hinting that no one knows anything, you take two seconds to look at the play and realize what happened.

and what is your hate for barber? Are u just ignorant? We will have two new backs this year and they will all get carries. No need to put the burden on one guy, no team seemingly does that anymore. Whatever role you put barber in he will succeed. Your argument is as comical as it is flawed, you did not give one reason to trade him and first round picks for a guy who couldnt carry the load in college with off the field red flags.

If you dont see what barber means to this team, then you need to study up and watch more football. Buy a ticket to a few games and watch the history of the league. He is a vital part of our team.

Or as jim johnson put it, "The toughest runner in the nfl", Or belichick "this guy is a great back" or mike mcarthy "he is the heart and soul of their offense".

Let's see, in your signature you're using 10 carries in one half of 1 game as proof that Barber can't be a starting RB.

How has T.O. done in the second half against the Giants?

vs. Giants: 0 catches for 0 yards

How has Tony Romo done in the second half of the past two playoff games?

vs. Giants: 9-22 for 110 yards 0 TD and 1 INT

Oh no! They're not worthy of being starters when you look at their stats in a one game vacuum! Notice the ineffectiveness of our three star players in the second half, perhaps they all suck or perhaps it had something to do with our offensive line/improved play by the Giants d-line.

You readily make the assumption that all Cowboys fans think that all Cowboys players are the best in the league, but just look around this board and you see criticism of almost any player/coach.

Roy Williams = Sucks.
Bobby Carpenter = Bust.
Terrell Owens = Can't Catch and a Distraction.
Wade Phillips = Can't Win Playoff Games.
Flozell Adams = Too Many False Starts.
Kyle Kosier = Just Avergae.
Patrick Crayton = Gives Up on Routes.
Anthony Henry = Always Injured.
Greg Ellis = Cry Baby.
Akin Ayodele = Just Average.
Marcus Spears = Bust.
Tony Romo = Starts Too Slow, Can't Throw Deep, INT Prone.
Marion Barber = Overrated.

My God, how were we 13-3 last year?

You say you want to look at facts but then you stereotype Cowboys fans views and use ONE game as a reference to show that a player doesn't have the ability to start. You say barber has NEVER been that starter which isn't true, not including the playoff game. You say you bring up Barber's stats as a starter, but you don't. You bring up Barber's starts from one half as a starter. What about the first half of the Giants game? What about the 127 yards 2 TD game as a Starter vs. Arizona in 2005? No we should probably throw those out because they don't fit your agenda.

You call Barber unproven and then advocate drafting another unproven player who would cost both of our first round picks and a large portion of our cap. Trading one unproven for another that costs more and who's acquisition would hurt the teams ability to improve at other positions...that makes sense to you? That kind of logic is supposed to convince people that you're making reasonable arguments? Not a whole lot of people on this board want to see Barber taking 350+ carries next year, people realize that he needs a running mate and there are active debates going on about who that player should be. I'm not even against taking a 1st round RB to help Barber out, but using both our firsts in order to make a move for an unproven guy like McFadden would be even more foolhardy than signing a more proven, but still relatively unproven, guy like Barber to a contract.

It's clear you're working an agenda here so please, before you post next time, check your bias at the door.

IDK guys i think romo is good brings up a valid point.....

 

[iceberg]

Okay now I know that most of you won't reply to this because a post with facts and reason seems to go no where around here and is just ignored because it doesn't say. EVERY PLAYER ON OUR ROSTER DESERVES TO BE IN THE PROBOWL! But I figure I'll just humor myself if nothing else.

First I would just like to say once again that we need a #1 running back for Barber to compliment not the other way around. I know I know Barber is a Cowboy so he must be HOF material. Well just for this post lets take a little trip to fantasy Island and pretend that not everyone with a star on their helmet is AMAZING. Lets make believe for a moment that we can actually have a bust or just okay player on the Cowboys.

If anyone ever fit the bill of just okay it would be Marion Barber, yes I said it Marion is just okay! For a change of pace back. But before I can show you the light I have to knock down the wall that is blocking it so lets try that first.

A lot of people like to make a big stink about his play against New England. "He is a beast, didn't you see that run against the Pats where he dodge like 5 tackles." Yes I did. "How can anyone say he isn't a workhorse he fought through 5 sure tackles to save a safety against the Patriots." I saw and I was very happy we didn't end up with a -2 point play BUT can we look at this play a bit deeper? Pop Quiz kids get out your #2's, I hope you all studied.

Questions
1. Why was he in the endzone to begin with?
2. How many yards did he gain?
3. Did he get a first down?

Answers
1. He runs backwards to much. (thus part of the reason for his 2nd half performance in the playoffs.)
2. 2! Yep thats all 2 yards. Hard to believe I know seeing as everyone makes it like the best play in Cowboy history.
3. NO! No he did not get the first!

So in his most famous play in a Cowboy uniform he lost 2 yards almost cost us 2 points and didn't even manage to pick up the first.

A lot of people like to make posts off pure speculation. "He will be a great workhorse." Really? You think? What makes you say that? "We have to give him a chance as starter before we can say he can't handle 4 Quarters." I thought we did... Yes yes we did against the Giants in the playoffs. How did that turn out? I am not bashing anyone for speculating. I do it, you do it, heck we all do it. But do not turn speculation into fact because the fact is he has only been a starter once in his career and he died out in the 3rd and we lost to a team we beat twice that season.

I don't understand why you people are at home and not the GM of the dolphins. I mean you obviously know more then Bill Parcells. Why aren't you in the HOF? You can spot talent better then a HOF coach so by all wrights you should take his place.

Did any of you ever stop to think that there might be a reason that Barber has NEVER been a starter?

My favorite though are the people who say we shouldn't trade a proven back in Barber for an unproven back in DMC. But when I bring up Barber's stats as a starter the very same people will say that he should have a chance to prove himself. They say that 1 game isn't enough to prove your self to be good or bad. So what is it? Is he proven or unproven? I really want to know because things are getting confusing for me. I mean either he is a proven back who died in the 3rd and can't carry a team a whole game let alone a whole season or he is an unproven back and in that case a Barber for McFadden trade wouldn't be as bad or stupid as you people make it out to be. Or is he just proven as a change of pace back? If so why would we give a change of pace back starter money? It's that time again! Get your loose leaf people!

Question
1. Marion Barber is a...
a. Proven Back
b. Unproven Back
c. Proven change of pace Back

2. Barber never got the start because
a. Parcells and Minnesota have no idea what they are doing
b. Julius Jones is that good
c. Barber is just a change of pace back

3. Trading Barber would be stupid because
a. We need an unproven back who makes starter money
b. We need a proven back who makes starter money but can't play a full 4
c. You just want to be different and say McFadden isn't good

Okay people so by now there probably aren't many of you left reading this but I must press on. I would like to do a run down of Marion's career. So he plays in Minnesota as a change of pace back. He is drafted to Dallas where he plays a change of pace back behind Julius Jones (who sucks and shouldn't be the starter) Parcells sees him as nothing more then a change of pace back. Parcells leaves and in comes Phillips who also sees Barber as a change of pace back. With Jones as the #1 we win 13 games 2nd best record in the NFL first in the NFC. We win the NFC East along with a bye and home field. Oh yeah and we beat the Giants twice. But for some reason we have to change things in the playoffs. So Barber gets his shot and dies out in the 3rd. We lose at home to a team we beat twice that year after a bye and that very team goes on to win the Super Bowl.

Marion while very exciting to watch can not carry a team. If used as a change of pace back he can do great things as he proved all season. But as a #1 he can't last all 4 as he proved in the playoffs. This brings us to our next exam. Don't worry it's not a hard one, all ya have to do is fill in the blank.

1. Marion Barber has proven himself to be a great _______ Running back.
2. Marion Barber was a great _______ Running Back in college.
3. Bill Parcells and everyone else that has coached Barber has seen him as a great _______ Running Back.

All three answers are change of pace. I told you it would be easy.

Now up until now I have not shown any proof to back up this little rant well lets take a look at Barbers 2nd half numbers.

2nd half plays for Barber only in playoff game as a starter.
01. 2 yards
02. 3 yards
03. 5 yards (His best of the half)
04. -2 yards
05. 3 yards
06. 3 yards
07. -1 yard
08. 2 yards
09. 4 yards
10. -1 yard

If it were Jones who had these stats you would all be calling for his head. In the second half of the game he averaged 1.5 yards per carry. 1.5 PEOPLE! 2 plays for negative yards 3 for 2 yards a piece. In 6 carries he averaged .3 yards! His best was for 5 yards and worst for -2. We will have one more pop quiz before we have the final exam.

What doesn't belong?
1. RB with 1.5 YPC, RB with 5 YPC
2. RB good for 2 Quarters, RB good for 4 Quarters
3. RB with Wins, RB with Losses

Answers
1. 1.5
2. 2 Quarters
3. Loses

FINAL EXAM

Marion starts a play at 1st and 20 at the 10. Runs backwards for 10 yards and then 8 more into the end zone. Marion breaks 8 tackles and From there he runs for 20 yards.

1. Did Marion get the first?
2. How many yards did he actually pick up?
3. 20 - 10 - 8 + 20 =

Parcells is a HOF coach. He sees a player as a backup at best. Another man who has never even played a game of football on a forum says Marion is better then that.

1. Who is right?
2. Does Bill deserve to be a HOF coach?
3. What makes you better then him?

Marion Barber has never started a game in his life. He has always been a back up running back and has excelled at that position. When he finaly gets his chance he blows it.

1. Is Marion just a back up?
2. Has Marion truly proven himself?
3. What has Marion proven himself to be?

Marion starts the second half with a 2 yard run, a 3 yard run and a 5 yard run. He is then tackled for -2 yards but comes back with a set of 3 yard runs. He ends the game with a -1 yarder a 2 yarder a 4 yarder and another -1 yarder.

1. How many yards did he have in the 2nd half?
2. What was his average in the 2nd half?
3. Did he fall apart in the 2nd half?
4. Did he have a good 2nd half?
5. Did he play like a workhorse?

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[YosemiteSam]

This is your brain.

This is your brain on drugs.

Okay now I know that most of you won't reply to this because a post with facts and reason seems to go no where around here and is just ignored because it doesn't say. EVERY PLAYER ON OUR ROSTER DESERVES TO BE IN THE PROBOWL! But I figure I'll just humor myself if nothing else.

First I would just like to say once again that we need a #1 running back for Barber to compliment not the other way around. I know I know Barber is a Cowboy so he must be HOF material. Well just for this post lets take a little trip to fantasy Island and pretend that not everyone with a star on their helmet is AMAZING. Lets make believe for a moment that we can actually have a bust or just okay player on the Cowboys.

If anyone ever fit the bill of just okay it would be Marion Barber, yes I said it Marion is just okay! For a change of pace back. But before I can show you the light I have to knock down the wall that is blocking it so lets try that first.

A lot of people like to make a big stink about his play against New England. "He is a beast, didn't you see that run against the Pats where he dodge like 5 tackles." Yes I did. "How can anyone say he isn't a workhorse he fought through 5 sure tackles to save a safety against the Patriots." I saw and I was very happy we didn't end up with a -2 point play BUT can we look at this play a bit deeper? Pop Quiz kids get out your #2's, I hope you all studied.

Questions
1. Why was he in the endzone to begin with?
2. How many yards did he gain?
3. Did he get a first down?

Answers
1. He runs backwards to much. (thus part of the reason for his 2nd half performance in the playoffs.)
2. 2! Yep thats all 2 yards. Hard to believe I know seeing as everyone makes it like the best play in Cowboy history.
3. NO! No he did not get the first!

So in his most famous play in a Cowboy uniform he lost 2 yards almost cost us 2 points and didn't even manage to pick up the first.

A lot of people like to make posts off pure speculation. "He will be a great workhorse." Really? You think? What makes you say that? "We have to give him a chance as starter before we can say he can't handle 4 Quarters." I thought we did... Yes yes we did against the Giants in the playoffs. How did that turn out? I am not bashing anyone for speculating. I do it, you do it, heck we all do it. But do not turn speculation into fact because the fact is he has only been a starter once in his career and he died out in the 3rd and we lost to a team we beat twice that season.

I don't understand why you people are at home and not the GM of the dolphins. I mean you obviously know more then Bill Parcells. Why aren't you in the HOF? You can spot talent better then a HOF coach so by all wrights you should take his place.

Did any of you ever stop to think that there might be a reason that Barber has NEVER been a starter?

My favorite though are the people who say we shouldn't trade a proven back in Barber for an unproven back in DMC. But when I bring up Barber's stats as a starter the very same people will say that he should have a chance to prove himself. They say that 1 game isn't enough to prove your self to be good or bad. So what is it? Is he proven or unproven? I really want to know because things are getting confusing for me. I mean either he is a proven back who died in the 3rd and can't carry a team a whole game let alone a whole season or he is an unproven back and in that case a Barber for McFadden trade wouldn't be as bad or stupid as you people make it out to be. Or is he just proven as a change of pace back? If so why would we give a change of pace back starter money? It's that time again! Get your loose leaf people!

Question
1. Marion Barber is a...
a. Proven Back
b. Unproven Back
c. Proven change of pace Back

2. Barber never got the start because
a. Parcells and Minnesota have no idea what they are doing
b. Julius Jones is that good
c. Barber is just a change of pace back

3. Trading Barber would be stupid because
a. We need an unproven back who makes starter money
b. We need a proven back who makes starter money but can't play a full 4
c. You just want to be different and say McFadden isn't good

Okay people so by now there probably aren't many of you left reading this but I must press on. I would like to do a run down of Marion's career. So he plays in Minnesota as a change of pace back. He is drafted to Dallas where he plays a change of pace back behind Julius Jones (who sucks and shouldn't be the starter) Parcells sees him as nothing more then a change of pace back. Parcells leaves and in comes Phillips who also sees Barber as a change of pace back. With Jones as the #1 we win 13 games 2nd best record in the NFL first in the NFC. We win the NFC East along with a bye and home field. Oh yeah and we beat the Giants twice. But for some reason we have to change things in the playoffs. So Barber gets his shot and dies out in the 3rd. We lose at home to a team we beat twice that year after a bye and that very team goes on to win the Super Bowl.

Marion while very exciting to watch can not carry a team. If used as a change of pace back he can do great things as he proved all season. But as a #1 he can't last all 4 as he proved in the playoffs. This brings us to our next exam. Don't worry it's not a hard one, all ya have to do is fill in the blank.

1. Marion Barber has proven himself to be a great _______ Running back.
2. Marion Barber was a great _______ Running Back in college.
3. Bill Parcells and everyone else that has coached Barber has seen him as a great _______ Running Back.

All three answers are change of pace. I told you it would be easy.

Now up until now I have not shown any proof to back up this little rant well lets take a look at Barbers 2nd half numbers.

2nd half plays for Barber only in playoff game as a starter.
01. 2 yards
02. 3 yards
03. 5 yards (His best of the half)
04. -2 yards
05. 3 yards
06. 3 yards
07. -1 yard
08. 2 yards
09. 4 yards
10. -1 yard

If it were Jones who had these stats you would all be calling for his head. In the second half of the game he averaged 1.5 yards per carry. 1.5 PEOPLE! 2 plays for negative yards 3 for 2 yards a piece. In 6 carries he averaged .3 yards! His best was for 5 yards and worst for -2. We will have one more pop quiz before we have the final exam.

What doesn't belong?
1. RB with 1.5 YPC, RB with 5 YPC
2. RB good for 2 Quarters, RB good for 4 Quarters
3. RB with Wins, RB with Losses

Answers
1. 1.5
2. 2 Quarters
3. Loses

FINAL EXAM

Marion starts a play at 1st and 20 at the 10. Runs backwards for 10 yards and then 8 more into the end zone. Marion breaks 8 tackles and From there he runs for 20 yards.

1. Did Marion get the first?
2. How many yards did he actually pick up?
3. 20 - 10 - 8 + 20 =

Parcells is a HOF coach. He sees a player as a backup at best. Another man who has never even played a game of football on a forum says Marion is better then that.

1. Who is right?
2. Does Bill deserve to be a HOF coach?
3. What makes you better then him?

Marion Barber has never started a game in his life. He has always been a back up running back and has excelled at that position. When he finaly gets his chance he blows it.

1. Is Marion just a back up?
2. Has Marion truly proven himself?
3. What has Marion proven himself to be?

Marion starts the second half with a 2 yard run, a 3 yard run and a 5 yard run. He is then tackled for -2 yards but comes back with a set of 3 yard runs. He ends the game with a -1 yarder a 2 yarder a 4 yarder and another -1 yarder.

1. How many yards did he have in the 2nd half?
2. What was his average in the 2nd half?
3. Did he fall apart in the 2nd half?
4. Did he have a good 2nd half?
5. Did he play like a workhorse?

 

[Sandyf]

Did something change and we didn't get the call. Yes, Barber has been and will be in a two back system with the Cowboys.

Whether we call Barber the complimentary back or whoever we draft the complimentary back does not matter in the least. All it means is one will start the game and the other will come in and start the next series.

Will Dallas draft a RB in 2008? It is probably the one bet that everyone will make as yes, in fact has anyone seen any mock from anybody that does not have Dallas taking a RB. Didn't think so.

The only question is who is going to be the "other" back. One thing that I will make a "bold prediction" about is that whoever it is will be a speed back especially in comparsion to Barber. Boy, that was tough. Heck, I'll go a step further and say that I doubt it would be Stewart or Mendenhall because they are much more similar to Barber than McFadden, F. Jones, C. Johnson or a couple of others.

Will we move up for McFadden? Personally, I wouldn't mind it IF it didn't cost so much but if McFadden should fall beyond #10. Then go for it.

What will Jerry do? I would say only GOD knows for sure but I think GOD has trouble figuring out what Jerry and Al Davis are going to do at any time.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Dear Lord, this is a Novel. If what I gathered is correct (and I gladly point out that I did not read this entire thing, nor will I), you don't think Barber is starting material.

What I did not seem to find when I was scrolling over this was that you did not point out that the Giant's D-Line whooped the Cowboys O-Line in the second half, period. They were also in Romo's face for most of that half. Bad O-line play equals bad run production and bad passing production.

 

[ndanger]

If I responded to this the way I want to it would just be wrong. An elementary understanding of football is all you need to recognize this thread is not worth your time.

I remember an era where fans wanted to be Roger or Joe Willy in the back yard as kids. It scares me to think what some of these guys wanted to be as kids in the back yard. Seriously ,it scares me Hos., Not because I'm afraid as a man. I have two Daughters and if I don't continue to do my due diligence as a Father, there's a possibility of her mating with something like that ,and quite frankly I'm not sure the strong genes of my family could overcome such a large deficit. Ron White is my hero........You can't fix stupid.

 

[Kobal]

We're all fools. We're all fools. :laugh1:

 

[Bleu Star]

I remember an era where fans wanted to be Roger or Joe Willy in the back yard as kids. It scares me to think what some of these guys wanted to be as kids in the back yard. Seriously ,it scares me Hos., Not because I'm afraid as a man. I have two Daughters and if I don't continue to do my due diligence as a Father, there's a possibility of her mating with something like that ,and quite frankly I'm not sure the strong genes of my family could overcome such a large deficit. Ron White is my hero........You can't fix stupid.

This thread gets better & better with every post. Thank goodness because the first one was a cluster****.