A few quick points...

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Nor have you given proof that he is NOT a #1 back, which is your entire premise.

The thing is, the burden of proof is on YOU, not those of us who think he can become a solid #1 RB in the NFL. You're the one claiming he will never amount to more than a nice backup, and yet you've provided nothing more than stats from his first start against the eventual SB champion as "evidence". I believe he can and will be a #1 back in this league, and I just have to sit back and let his play in years to come do my talking for me. You are the one who has to convince me otherwise. You can't just say he will never amount to anything and then challenge ME to prove YOU wrong, it doesnt work that way Mensa.

Now, either prove to me he won't ever be a solid #1 RB, or crawl back into that disease-ridden crevice from which you emerged and spare us your endless barrage of incompetence and nonsense.

Damn dude, can you post a little faster next time. I tried to come up with something that countered him, but you're right. He has the burden of proof and didn't come up with it.

 

[masomenos]

Nope you got it wrong. I used his second half numbers of the only game he started to see if he could hold up for all 4, and HE CAN'T! He is nothing but a good change of pace back so get over you little crush and move on.

One half of one game doesn't count as an accurate indication of a players ability, it's just not a large enough sample. If you bothered to read what I posted then you'd see that I said Barber does need help in carrying the load, possibly even a 1st round RB...so I think you're theory about me having a "crush" on him is more or less debunked. You can have whatever opinion you want on Barber but if you back it up with 10 carries as evidence then you can't be taken seriously.

 

[ctrous25]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpJ1xNKAWA8

 

[Primetime0201]

So what all of you are saying is that Barber is unproven? Just as Run DMC is unproven. So a trade involving Barber wouldn't be as dumb as you make it out to be. I mean the main reason for not trading Barber is that we have a "Proven" starter but from what you say now he is not a proven starter but a proven change of pace back at best.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

wow. If you think people are all homers here or something, why come here.

And you might need to record some games, because the reason barber was in the endzone on that play was because flozell was blown up. Flo was blown up by jarvis green, just like on the previous play where he had to tackle him from keeping him from hitting romo, he got a holding and backed us up.

in the middle wilfork destroyed gurode and harrison was coming on a blitz outside and once green blew up flo he had an easy angle, then with gurode out of the play and flo out of the play warren and seau came down the line and kosier was taken out.

So you explain to me where barber was supposed to go? He was handed the ball and hit immediately by green and harrison? He stayed on his feet and did what he always does, refuses to go down.


You do realize it was 1st and 20 right? And since he was hit as he was getting the ball how many backs would get a first down? Name one.

You also realize that mcfadden shared carries too right?

Maybe next time before you have a long winded post calling everyone a homer and hinting that no one knows anything, you take two seconds to look at the play and realize what happened.

and what is your hate for barber? Are u just ignorant? We will have two new backs this year and they will all get carries. No need to put the burden on one guy, no team seemingly does that anymore. Whatever role you put barber in he will succeed. Your argument is as comical as it is flawed, you did not give one reason to trade him and first round picks for a guy who couldnt carry the load in college with off the field red flags.

If you dont see what barber means to this team, then you need to study up and watch more football. Buy a ticket to a few games and watch the history of the league. He is a vital part of our team.

Or as jim johnson put it, "The toughest runner in the nfl", Or belichick "this guy is a great back" or mike mcarthy "he is the heart and soul of their offense".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3G-AccySjo

Here is the visual proof of what you have said. Which goes to prove the original poster was making a BAD mistake by bringing up that particular play and try to spin it to his agenda.

I mean I could understand his other points. All this year they, coaches, have made him a part time runner and not a starter. It is obvious they want him to be a split carry back. So in a way the original poster brings up that point. The problem is he takes things way to far, as usual, in his agenda and ruins the one point he truly has.

Anyone...just look at that video and see why he was PUSHED back into the endzone. The original poster makes it out like he decides just to run back into the endzone when the fact is he was pushed back by two patriot players and still remained on his feet even after four more patriot defenders tried to tackle him IN the endzone.

 

[adamknite]

I respect the fact that you wrote out this long thread, and actually tried to make a point other than "this player isn't that good, because I said so".... and who knows... you may end up being right but Barber has shown that he deserves a shot at starting, you said we all think Barber is a beast because of one play against New England, yet you base most of your judgment on the second half of one game.... after he had over 100 yards the first half of said game.

I appreciate the work, but your logic is flawed.

Barry Sanders once had -1 yards rushing in a playoff game.... THE WHOLE GAME. I'm not saying Barber is Sanders... but it's something to think about.

 

[Primetime0201]

I never said he wouldn't be good for half a game. I said we need a back that can go all 4. So you are correct he had a great 100 yard first half but a true workhorse would have had just as good a second half. He died out, he couldn't hack it. Had one of the plays for negetive yards been for posetive yards or a first down that may have lead to a touchdown and we win.
I have never said he can't play half a game he showed that his whole career and again in the playoffs but why pay a man starter money if he isn't able to finish games off? He has proven to be good through half a game of football but questions loomed wheather or not he could play a full 4 and he didn't answer those questions to well with his performance in the play offs. How will he handle a full season if he can't handle a full game after a bye?

 

[Primetime0201]

Oh and as far as the loss to the super bowl champs goes and how well they were playing. 1. We beat them twice that year. 2. the second time they were on a 6 game streak and their d was just as hot then. So we were good enough to beat them twice before but not in the playoffs? Why? What was so different? The only thing different that I can find is that Julius Jones was on the bench.

 

[BigDFan5]

 

[Hoofbite]

I took too many exams this week to read that post.

Let me guess though. Its just a longer, more delusional version of his signature which just happens to be incorrect as all hell.

 

[Primetime0201]

No it is correct. Directly from NFL.com

 

[ndanger]

I took too many exams this week to read that post.

Let me guess though. Its just a longer, more delusional version of his signature which just happens to be incorrect as all hell.

Yepper, I had the joy of reading this diatribe waaay early this morning and have had a headache ever since. I will however sleep good tonight because I moved my cattle to another pasture and therefore my wonderful dogs no longer have large farm animals to bark and frolic with all night. Bull Mastiffs make terrible cow dogs.I can only hope Romoisgod has put the pipe down and moved away from the keyboard. Sleep and less drugs should make him slightly less ********.I know not reading anymore of his threads for a while will raise my I.Q. at least several points.

 

[iceberg]

I never said he wouldn't be good for half a game. I said we need a back that can go all 4. So you are correct he had a great 100 yard first half but a true workhorse would have had just as good a second half. He died out, he couldn't hack it. Had one of the plays for negetive yards been for posetive yards or a first down that may have lead to a touchdown and we win.
I have never said he can't play half a game he showed that his whole career and again in the playoffs but why pay a man starter money if he isn't able to finish games off? He has proven to be good through half a game of football but questions loomed wheather or not he could play a full 4 and he didn't answer those questions to well with his performance in the play offs. How will he handle a full season if he can't handle a full game after a bye?

you still here? damn. i thought i flushed.

 

[Stash]

Missed one in your embarassing signature Eagles fan:

3-2-DAL 41 (12:23) (Shotgun) 24-M.Barber left end to NYG 49 for 10 yards (23-C.Webster; 28-G.Wilson).


But I guess that would have made your pathetic attempt look even worse, huh?

 

[Cowboys2008]

I agree, we shouldn't try to fix what's not broken, as the old adage goes. Barber, as that backup change of pace back, is not broken, in fact quite the opposite and working quite brilliantly. Why change it? So I'm with you in agreeing that Barber should remain in his role and not be the starter.

DMAC should be drafted at all costs and we shouldn't look back on the choice, that's my opinion. Barber backing up DMAC is insanity waiting to be unleashed on defenses. It could be a reality. Just as our lead back takes a breather we kick the defense in the face instead of being forced into a passing situation with a lesser back who would be backing up the guy who should be our back up.

My other thought is a two back system feature both in a starting role. Drop the FB and go straight up with DMAC and the Barbarian coming atcha every which way possible. Imagine a 4th quarter flea-flicker from Barber to DMAC instead of back to Romo and than down the sideline to a wide open TO for a TD.

 

[Hoofbite]

Missed one in your embarassing signature Eagles fan:

3-2-DAL 41 (12:23) (Shotgun) 24-M.Barber left end to NYG 49 for 10 yards (23-C.Webster; 28-G.Wilson).


But I guess that would have made your pathetic attempt look even worse, huh?

I wasn't going to tell him that. Just keep making fun because he missed one and see how long it would take for him to figure it out.

 

[ctrous25]

So what all of you are saying is that Barber is unproven? Just as Run DMC is unproven. So a trade involving Barber wouldn't be as dumb as you make it out to be. I mean the main reason for not trading Barber is that we have a "Proven" starter but from what you say now he is not a proven starter but a proven change of pace back at best.

Who is saying hes unproven besides you?

 

[ctrous25]

Missed one in your embarassing signature Eagles fan:

3-2-DAL 41 (12:23) (Shotgun) 24-M.Barber left end to NYG 49 for 10 yards (23-C.Webster; 28-G.Wilson).


But I guess that would have made your pathetic attempt look even worse, huh?

 

[jackrussell]

Looks like fuzzy math to me:

Questions
1. Why was he in the endzone to begin with?
2. How many yards did he gain?
3. Did he get a first down?

Answers
1. He runs backwards to much. (thus part of the reason for his 2nd half performance in the playoffs.)
2. 2! Yep thats all 2 yards. Hard to believe I know seeing as everyone makes it like the best play in Cowboy history.
3. NO! No he did not get the first!

So in his most famous play in a Cowboy uniform he lost 2 yards almost cost us 2 points and didn't even manage to pick up the first.

Since you led off with us ignoring 'facts'....which is it? Did he gain 2 yards...or did he lose 2 yards?

 

[theebs]

Looks like fuzzy math to me:



Since you led off with us ignoring 'facts'....which is it? Did he gain 2 yards...or did he lose 2 yards?

Hey man did you catch the rochester show.

I was reading reactions from it and everyone said it was the best so far.