A harsh truth about Dak Prescott for some of you

[CowboyFrog]

There is a marked difference from other years, especially the turnovers gettin got by the defense

The upcoming Cardinals game and future playoff performances will be the true gauge of improvement and the reasons can be dissected at that point.......Tampa Bays playoff team looked way better than it showed through the first part of last season.....peak at the end and ride it through and hopefully we can find other things to argue about after the Boys lift the Lombardi

Half the board will be calling for MM to be fired so KM can be coach as JJ hands the trophy to MM...theres your argument...

 

[CATCH17]

You were wrong the whole time, Dak has always been good, he wasn't elite but he was good and improving, you acted like he should've been a finished product after a couple years, now that Dak is hitting his stride, you're saying you were wrong, no your evaluation sucked.

I never said he wasn’t good. I always said Dak was a good solid player.

This Dak is just different. This looks like the Dak that would only show up against crap teams like the Giants but it’s every week against anyone.

The game against Tampa was a very Romo like game from Dak. Actually putting the team on his shoulders and carrying the whole group and not waiting around for someone else to make a play.

 

[Dre11]

I never said he wasn’t good. I always said Dak was a good solid player.

You called him average and not worth the money, and we can never win a title with him

 

[Ranching]

If you think Dallas can go to and win a Super Bowl then you can excuse yourself from this thread.

For those of who like to blame our defense, McCarthy, lack of playoff experience or whatever other excuse you can think of then this thread is for you.

If Dallas had Tom Brady right now would you think they could win a Super Bowl? Yep.

Rodgers? Yep.

Do you think the Cardinals have a better roster then us?

The Rams? Maybe they do.

But top to bottom Dallas has at worst the 2nd best roster in the NFC.

All of these “I don’t think we can win a Super Bowl because of our defense” is really you just saying Dak isn’t good enough because this defense is more than good enough. This defense isn’t stopping what some of you call an elite QB from winning anything.

Our defense paired with Tampa’s offense wouldn’t make anyone doubt Tampa, Arizona, GB, Or LA’s odds of winning a Super Bowl but right here on our own forum I see it used as an excuse all of the time but the reality is you don’t believe Dak can beat a guy like Rodgers even with a much better team than his.

I do believe this team can win a championship. I do think Dallas and LA have the best top to bottom NFC rosters and unlike a lot of you already making excuses I do think this version of Dak is more than enough.

Our fans keep turning over every rock to find everything that’s not perfect about this team to use as a future excuse while outside of this fan base everyone is envious because of how talent loaded we are.

 

[Ranching]

Okay, I'm glad I read the whole thing. At first I thought it was a Dak bashing thread, but it's really a fan bashing thread.

Any Cowboys fan who thinks we can't get to and win the SB this year is simply protecting himself from possible disappointment, or hoping to prove he was right 5 years ago when he said we'd never win another one while JJ was in charge.

Any fan who believes we can win one is right. We might not, but we certainly can.

I saw catch and stopped reading...

 

[Sydla]

I think Dak is playing great. As good as anyone.

I also think if Aaron Rodgers inherited our current defense then they are a better team.

Dallas has the horses and acting like they don’t is an excuse for those who don’t really think the guy throwing the football is good enough.

No other NFC teams expectations change with our defense for the worse and a lot of them would be improved. They sure as heck don’t change with our offensive supporting cast either for other teams.

Oh and McCarthy has won a Super Bowl with Rodgers. It’s really not an excuse if you believe in Dak. No other team would completely change their Super Bowl expectations with McCarthy.

You are proving my point. Sure, Dak isn't as good as Rodgers. But Rodgers is a Hall of Famer that one could argue is one of the dozen best QBs to ever play in the NFL. So you are making an unfair comparison here. I mean sure, if we had Brady or Rodgers we'd be in better shape for a SB run. So would 29 other teams in the NFL (well maybe not KC as Mahomes is a stud too).

Further, so what if McCarthy has won a SB with Rodgers? He also pumped out a lot of really mediocre seasons with Rodgers too. In fact, it's one of the reasons why he was eventually fired and why people questioned his hire here............. that he should have won way more than he did in GB considering he had one of the greatest QBs in NFL history over his time there.

You are just looking for more bizarre reasons to push your belief Dak isn't good enough.

 

[Ranching]

He does but I dont think he is bashing Dak at all in this particular thread. He even says "this version of Dak can win it all"

He's bashing him, just wanted to save face and make his thread credible.... didn't work on me. Read it again

 

[aikemirv]

Well for starters....in order to have this conversation you have to come to the realization that Buccaneers had a damn good defense last year.

No doubt and whoever wins in the NFC this year is probably going to have the best defense. That's between Bucs, Arizona, Rams, Cowboys and Green Bay. Right now it looks like Arizona has the upper hand. You have 5 of the best QB's playing this year in that group. It is going to be tough!

 

[CATCH17]

You are proving my point. Sure, Dak isn't as good as Rodgers. But Rodgers is a Hall of Famer that one could argue is one of the dozen best QBs to ever play in the NFL. So you are making an unfair comparison here. I mean sure, if we had Brady or Rodgers we'd be in better shape for a SB run. So would 29 other teams in the NFL (well maybe not KC as Mahomes is a stud too).

Further, so what if McCarthy has won a SB with Rodgers? He also pumped out a lot of really mediocre seasons with Rodgers too. In fact, it's one of the reasons why he was eventually fired and why people questioned his hire here............. that he should have won way more than he did in GB considering he had one of the greatest QBs in NFL history over his time there.

You are just looking for more bizarre reasons to push your belief Dak isn't good enough.

Dak is good enough. Especially with this team around him.

Nothing about Dallas is a weakness right now that would hinder them from winning a championship.

Everything is more than good enough and expecting a better roster than this with all of the contracts we have is just not realistic.

 

[CATCH17]

You called him average and not worth the money, and we can never win a title with him

I said he was slightly above average and I don’t think elite QBs are worth the money much less a QB I think is slightly above average.

The only QB I would pay is a QB with a title. After they are paid they tend to not win jack and a lot of them try to run away from the team they destroyed with their deal.

 

[KJJ]

The harsh truth for the Dak haters is he’s an elite QB.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I said he was slightly above average and I don’t think elite QBs are worth the money much less a QB I think is slightly above average.

The only QB I would pay is a QB with a title. After they are paid they tend to not win jack and a lot of them try to run away from the team they destroyed with their deal.

So you want to pay QB's for what they did not what they will do? I want to pay a QB for the titles he brings during the contract not before it.

 

[pitt33]

The bottom line here is Dak is reading NFL defenses better than he ever has.

He is playing with more confidence than he ever has.

His coaching is better than it has ever been during his time here..

Comparing quarterbacks from this team to that team and what they could do with this defense and that defense is fruitless.

Let's see how this thing plays out...

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

At some point we're going to need an entire No Catch Zone for all the things you've been wrong about. A thread just won't cut it at this juncture.

 

[SackMaster]

I love how much "the narrative" has changed so far this year ... let me count the ways:

• Dak breaks his ankle, may never play again
• Dak is not elite and will never be worth a big contract
  
• Dak hurts shoulder in preseason, does not take a single preseason snap, he will be rusty and hold the offensive back because of his extended time off

Wow, talk about being wrong on a single player in so many ways. Now to the Defense:

• Before the season, the Cowboys defense is one of the worst in the league (based off their terrible 2020 year)
• We don't have any run stuffing DTs, no passrushers, terrible LBs, no Safeties, and their CBs are not impressive either
• If, which is a BIG IF, the D can be average, then the Cowboys can make the playoffs. But they are a LONG WAY from average

I mean only the biggest homers would say our Defense has shown to be able to carry a bad QB. They have improved and should continue to improve with players coming back from IR, but I think it is silly to suggest this D is a lock with ANY QB in the league. I believe they are getting better, but come on, they still has a ways to improve.


But NOW, the defense is Championship Caliber and because of the QB (who is playing at an MVP worthy level so far) that is the ONLY reason why the Cowboys can't win a SB? Like, this is the story you want to hang your hat on? Really? REALLY?

You would think that maybe some people should just admit they were wrong about a certain Dallas Cowboys QB instead of spinning narrative after narrative on how "they were right" all along.

I mean, we do have a "non-elite QB" leading the #1 scoring offense in the NFL that is obviously not "Super Bowl winning" worthy.
Nah ... it is the Cowboys 20th ranked scoring D that is carrying the "non-elite QB" and the #1 scoring offense to the promise land.
If you could just replace the QB, who again, is playing at an MVP level so far this year, we would be set.

Just when you think you've heard it all ...

 

[morat1959]

The reason people think that Brady and Rodgers could win a Super Bowl with this roster is because we have seen them win a Super Bowl before.

Dak will be doubted until he leads the team to a Super Bowl win. That's just how it goes

Nailed it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If you think Dallas can go to and win a Super Bowl then you can excuse yourself from this thread.

For those of who like to blame our defense, McCarthy, lack of playoff experience or whatever other excuse you can think of then this thread is for you.

If Dallas had Tom Brady right now would you think they could win a Super Bowl? Yep.

Rodgers? Yep.

Do you think the Cardinals have a better roster then us?

The Rams? Maybe they do.

But top to bottom Dallas has at worst the 2nd best roster in the NFC.

All of these “I don’t think we can win a Super Bowl because of our defense” is really you just saying Dak isn’t good enough because this defense is more than good enough. This defense isn’t stopping what some of you call an elite QB from winning anything.

Our defense paired with Tampa’s offense wouldn’t make anyone doubt Tampa, Arizona, GB, Or LA’s odds of winning a Super Bowl but right here on our own forum I see it used as an excuse all of the time but the reality is you don’t believe Dak can beat a guy like Rodgers even with a much better team than his.

I do believe this team can win a championship. I do think Dallas and LA have the best top to bottom NFC rosters and unlike a lot of you already making excuses I do think this version of Dak is more than enough.

Our fans keep turning over every rock to find everything that’s not perfect about this team to use as a future excuse while outside of this fan base everyone is envious because of how talent loaded we are.

OMG...how many different ways can people bash Dak...I don't get the incessent bashing in anyway possible.....

if we had Brady, we probably have slightly higher chance of winning....no gaurantees....the two offenses aren't that far apart. Tampa is just as loaded as the cowboys on offense....their recieving group is better. their OL is arguably can be considered better.

if we had Rodgers, we probably have slightly higher chance of winning. no gaurantees....but I like the fact you are comparing Dak to Rodgers....you have come a long way....Rodgers is for sure a future HOFer...

I think the cardinals have better defensive group than us. I do think their WRs are pretty good. I do think their OL is pretty good.

I don't think the rams have a better chance than us. they are flawed. have you seen their defense?

Dallas probably has 4th or 5th best roster in the NFC, if you include the defense...but I guess you are given your agenda only considering the offensive side. I get it.

Our defense is flawed. pass defense is horrendous. pairing our defense with anybody else would result in exactly the same record as you see today.....it was the defense that failed to stop Tampa from getting the laste score. else we are undefeated. AZ got lucky that Minn. missed an easy field goal, else they are 6-1.

so why the Dak bashing. what got under your skin just now.....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No doubt and whoever wins in the NFC this year is probably going to have the best defense. That's between Bucs, Arizona, Rams, Cowboys and Green Bay. Right now it looks like Arizona has the upper hand. You have 5 of the best QB's playing this year in that group. It is going to be tough!

Yep. And its worth noting that the Buccs didn't have the best defense all year. They peaked at the right time. That's what this Cowboys defense needs to do. I have no doubt in my mind that when we get guys back the defense we see now won't be the defense we see later.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The reason people think that Brady and Rodgers could win a Super Bowl with this roster is because we have seen them win a Super Bowl before.

Dak will be doubted until he leads the team to a Super Bowl win. That's just how it goes

I can see the brady love. he is the goat...rodgers hasn't won it in over 10 years....he is still good. but is he really that good still?

but to your point, when/if Dak wins one, then everyone will shut up (at least most)

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Funny how Cooper Kupp is on currently pace to break Calvin Johnson’s single season yardage record, both being thrown to by Stafford, and people still have the audacity to think Stafford is a bad QB.

stafford is a loser. hasn't won anything. has had way too many losing seasons. and has been awful in playoffs....so he has the opportunity to change all the narratives. he has no excuses this year