A Hater's Take

[Blitzen]

Amari Cooper, remember before and after him? Talent for a WR makes a difference.

How did they win 3 games prior with no talent?

 

[Blitzen]

Suggestions, you're a closet Dak hater, admit it then we can move on.

Didn't I title the thread a Hater's take? I would not say it is closeted. Nah just kidding bro. Dak is winning and is above reproach. Get your panties cleaned and unraveled.

 

[Clove]

How did they win 3 games prior with no talent?

You're the bright one, figure it out and let the student know. Still waiting on you to tell me how we possibly won 13-3 with a subpar QB. He needs all of this work, but yet he won. Please enlighten

 

[Clove]

Didn't I title the thread a Hater's take? I would not say it is closeted. Nah just kidding bro. Dak is winning and is above reproach. Get your panties cleaned and unraveled.

Yes Ma'am, I'll try to do that. But while I'm doing that maddam, would you be so kind in answering some of my other questions?

 

[Blitzen]

You're the bright one, figure it out and let the student know. Still waiting on you to tell me how we possibly won 13-3 with a subpar QB. He needs all of this work, but yet he won. Please enlighten

Who said he was subpar, you or me?

 

[buybuydandavis]

Dak is more comfortable throwing shorter routes that are not headed vertically. Watch the all 22 from each of his games including 2016 (where the bulk of the long yardage success was on back shoulder jump balls). Linehan was OC in 2016 and his offense led to 13 wins.

I think they're taking the intermediate and long middle away from Dak. He does better short and down the sidelines, and that's where his targets have been going. A throw is simpler in those zones. Fewer defenders to have to take into account.

The INT to Cooper was running across the middle toward other defenders, and Dak just didn't seem to take them into account.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't mind admitting I want Garrett to fail and get fired, but I don't want the team to fail. If this makes sense.

It doesn't. If the team fails that will fall to Garrett and if this team has success that too falls to Garrett.

 

[Corso]

I guess guts can take a guy pretty far in the league. Dak plays better in high leverage situations. Maybe the intensity increases his focus which helps his accuracy and ability. I'm good with it as long as the team keeps winning. Not sure the team should invest tons of cash on him because it looks like Cooper and Elliott had even more to do with the win than Dak (along with a defense that largely held off the Philly offense for the bulk of the game).

My list of stuff Dak needs to improve (though this stuff is difficult to improve after many years of ingrained habits). Footwork and pocket presence. How he moves around the pocket looks slow and not well thought out. He has to get better at escaping the most immediate threat and setting himself up for a throw away or being able to survey the field and try for some positive yardage by running or throwing. You cannot put that all on coaching because Dak will have been working on this stuff all along.

He must continue to work on giving his receiver more of a chance on routes that are moving towards the opponent end zone. Not just deep targets, but medium and short range targets where the receiver gets hit in stride heading down the field. Seam and go routes where he consistently gives his receiver a shot. He hit two yesterday and must be prepared to hit more as that is what the defenses are giving him. The opposing secondaries do not anticipate Dak trying these types of routes much which is why they sit on come back and stop routes.

One of the biggest reasons that a QB gets drafted high is they have already displayed the ability to hit on these types of routes consistently even when defended well. Teams want the QB to be able to hit on the indefensible great throw/great catch because of the impact it can have on the outcome of a game.

Every single Cowboy supporter wants the team to win the SB. Let's enjoy the win and understand that different opinions are healthy. No one actually wants a Cowboy to do poorly though I think many have trouble with belief and faith. Go Cowboys!

Nice post fella. Props.

 

[Doomsday101]

How did they win 3 games prior with no talent?

winning 3 out of 8? Cowboys made plays but not consistent enough to win multiple games in a row.

 

[Clove]

Who said he was subpar, you or me?

That's what this statement means. (Not sure the team should invest tons of cash on him because it looks like Cooper and Elliott had even more to do with the win than Dak (along with a defense that largely held off the Philly offense)

I guess Cooper threw it to himself.

 

[pansophy]

Any comments on the offensive coordinator/QB Coach/Offensive line injures-bad play/ bad route concepts / being forced into plays and not allowed to change plays as he so stubbornly did last night? Any comments on any of that stuff?

Same elements existed his rookie year. Can't claim he is amazing because he did it his rookie year and then blame it on those things when they haven't really changed. If you want to tell me that he needs perfect conditions -- best rushing attack in NFL, top 3 OL, HOF TE, and WR that draws double coverage -- in order to be successful like he had his rookie year then again it doesn't suggest that Dak is all that.

 

[Clove]

Same elements existed his rookie year. Can't claim he is amazing because he did it his rookie year and then blame it on those things when they haven't really changed. If you want to tell me that he needs perfect conditions -- best rushing attack in NFL, top 3 OL, HOF TE, and WR that draws double coverage -- in order to be successful like he had his rookie year then again it doesn't suggest that Dak is all that.

Just like Aikman had All-Stars all around his team, including HOFers? Just like John Elway had All-Stars around him, including HOFers around him? Just like Joe Montana had All-Stars all around him, including a HOF Head Coach/ and HOFers around him? Like that?

 

[Clove]

Romo had the All-World Murray running who actually broke the Cowboys record for rushing yards, which by the way, people were touting as Romo's best year.

That's what this offense is, it's a Ball-Control offense. Our offense isn't predicated on flinging the ball all over the field in case the stupid part of our fan base hasn't been paying attention.

 

[HowardC]

Problem is there are some here who do want Dak to do poorly so they can be RIGHT. That’s why they disappear or don’t give him credit when he pulls out a win.

You actually believe that? I think that everyone really wants Dak to succeed but don't have faith that he will due to the inconsistency he has displayed. We are all fans here with a few exceptions and really just want the team to win. I don't like garrot but if he leads them to a SB victory I will be more than happy that he is the coach after it happens. I have no problem eating crow...

 

[northerncowboynation]

I don't care what anyone says. I blindly followed another QB on this team for 8 years. What did it get me? Let me think, 3 new TV sets after I put my foot threw three of them. I learned my lesson, never blindly follow. No siree not gonna do it!! Been shined enough!! Bought the whole damned farm and the sheep in the pasture. But seriously, I learned all can be forgiven and deity does exist after football lol.

Will say this to young Mr Prescott, you may never touch the stats, you may never get the blonde bimbo, you may never sign that ginormous other guy albatross contract, heck you my never see Cabo, just take us to the promised land one more time. We been lost sheep (remember I bought the farm) for too many years. 40 days and 40 nights? Boo hoo we been lost sheeps for 20 plus years

 

[Cowboysfan1975]

This is from the nfl.com draft write up. There are many others. Watch his tape from Miss. State and from the Cowboys. These are repeat issues. Basically, what I see from defensive backs each Sunday reflects this. He must practice vertical route connections because the defensive backs do not respect that he will throw it. It cannot be all coaching. I have watched tape of him when he has time to throw the ball downfield to a receiver that has separation and he will try something safer and more high percentage (which is largely fine to do but he must continue to challenge with these throws like he has been).

Overview

Rayne Dakota "Dak" Prescott proved himself to be an excellent college quarterback in 2014, breaking all sorts of school records (4,435 yards of total offense, 27 touchdown passes, 61.6 completion percentage), named a finalist for the Maxwell, Davey O'Brien, Manning, and Unitas Golden Arm awards and helping his team to a 10-3 record. The two-time first team All-SEC pick ended up with 38 MSU records after a senior year where he won the Senior CLASS Award as the top scholar-athlete on and off the field. Prescott led the team in passing (3,793 yards, 66.2 completion percentage, 29 TD, five INT) and rushing (588 yards, 10 scores) for the second straight year in 2015, joining Tim Tebow as the only two players in SEC history to accomplish that feat. Prescott got on the radar as a redshirt freshman in 2012, playing as a red-zone quarterback, scoring four times as a passer and four as a runner. The next year, he started seven games in two-quarterback system (Tyler Russell), throwing with 1,940 yards, and 10 touchdowns (seven INT), missing two games with an elbow injury. Just two days after his pro day, Prescott was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence.

Analysis
Strengths
Thick, muscular frame. Has proven over last three seasons that he can withstand a pounding. Has enough natural arm strength and hip snap to fit throws into an NFL window. Stands tall and delivers a tight spiral with over-the-top delivery. Very little windup and gets ball out with the flick of a wrist. When pocket is clean, can deliver accurate strikes around the field. Played with improved vision and care for football this season and eliminated many of the ill-fated throws that turned into interceptions in 2014. Still a work in progress, but continues to show a level of growth as a passer. Threat with his legs, scoring 37 rushing touchdowns over last three seasons and had 94 rushes of ten yards or more during that time. Can be used as goal-line rushing option. Willing to extend plays outside of pocket with legs but look to finish the play with his arm. Mentally tough enough to carry a heavy offensive burden for the Bulldogs over last three years. When protected better in 2014, showed an ability to challenge deep and strike with accuracy and touch.
Weaknesses
Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.
Draft Projection
Round 3
NFL Comparison
Brett Hundley
Bottom Line
Hard to find an NFL comp for Prescott because he's built like Donovan McNabb, but lacks McNabb's ability and polish. Prescott has NFL size, mobility and enough arm, but the tape shows a player who must improve his mechanics, poise and quickness through his progressions if he is to become a full-time starter in the NFL. There are absolutely draftable traits and upside, but he will need extended work to smooth out his flaws. Until then, a team would be wise to utilize him on short-yardage packages.



It's a message board bro. Not everyone will post stuff you want to see. Get over it. I don't make a habit to reply to everyone that sees a win and posts messages about how great Dallas Cowboys football is and how this player deserves full credit from every poster. I like Dak, but I like the Cowboys winning more. Plus, I have posted about other players plenty. There are lots of things to like about the Cowboys and Dak-no one can post every detail about every player on every post.



I know it is not a hater's thread. It involves criticism which equals hatred to many posters (which I find kinda hilarious).

Those list of weaknesses on the draft report are all still his weaknesses today + fumbling. First reaction is he isn’t being coached in those areas, but nobody knows that. The coaches may work with him on that in every practice and he just doesn’t get it. If he can fix a couple of those big issues, he will be a great QB though.

 

[Clove]

Amari Cooper
Dez Bryant
Cole Beasley
Jason Witten
Terrell Owens
Patrick Crayton
Many Fans
Many media outlets

What do these people have in common? They've all at one point in time mention that our offense is predictable and not really schematically good.
So if these people that actually played for this scheme said that, it's not inconceivable to think it needs to be changed. And until you do that, why even bother talking about things the QB needs to work on if "Said" QB is actually winning in spite of it?

 

[Blitzen]

That's what this statement means. (Not sure the team should invest tons of cash on him because it looks like Cooper and Elliott had even more to do with the win than Dak (along with a defense that largely held off the Philly offense)

I guess Cooper threw it to himself.

Not true. It means right now, I believe both Elliott and Cooper are better at their individual positions than Dak is at QB. And deserve the cap space prior to him. Quit taking criticism for more than face value.

 

[Clove]

Who said he was subpar, you or me?

Still waiting on the answer to my 13-3 Question or are you just another troll poster who wants attention?

 

[northerncowboynation]

You actually believe that? I think that everyone really wants Dak to succeed but don't have faith that he will due to the inconsistency he has displayed. We are all fans here with a few exceptions and really just want the team to win. I don't like garrot but if he leads them to a SB victory I will be more than happy that he is the coach after it happens. I have no problem eating crow...

Hey, crow pie ain't half bad