A Hater's Take

[Clove]

This is from the nfl.com draft write up. There are many others. Watch his tape from Miss. State and from the Cowboys. These are repeat issues. Basically, what I see from defensive backs each Sunday reflects this. He must practice vertical route connections because the defensive backs do not respect that he will throw it. It cannot be all coaching. I have watched tape of him when he has time to throw the ball downfield to a receiver that has separation and he will try something safer and more high percentage (which is largely fine to do but he must continue to challenge with these throws like he has been).

Overview

Rayne Dakota "Dak" Prescott proved himself to be an excellent college quarterback in 2014, breaking all sorts of school records (4,435 yards of total offense, 27 touchdown passes, 61.6 completion percentage), named a finalist for the Maxwell, Davey O'Brien, Manning, and Unitas Golden Arm awards and helping his team to a 10-3 record. The two-time first team All-SEC pick ended up with 38 MSU records after a senior year where he won the Senior CLASS Award as the top scholar-athlete on and off the field. Prescott led the team in passing (3,793 yards, 66.2 completion percentage, 29 TD, five INT) and rushing (588 yards, 10 scores) for the second straight year in 2015, joining Tim Tebow as the only two players in SEC history to accomplish that feat. Prescott got on the radar as a redshirt freshman in 2012, playing as a red-zone quarterback, scoring four times as a passer and four as a runner. The next year, he started seven games in two-quarterback system (Tyler Russell), throwing with 1,940 yards, and 10 touchdowns (seven INT), missing two games with an elbow injury. Just two days after his pro day, Prescott was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence.

Analysis
Strengths
Thick, muscular frame. Has proven over last three seasons that he can withstand a pounding. Has enough natural arm strength and hip snap to fit throws into an NFL window. Stands tall and delivers a tight spiral with over-the-top delivery. Very little windup and gets ball out with the flick of a wrist. When pocket is clean, can deliver accurate strikes around the field. Played with improved vision and care for football this season and eliminated many of the ill-fated throws that turned into interceptions in 2014. Still a work in progress, but continues to show a level of growth as a passer. Threat with his legs, scoring 37 rushing touchdowns over last three seasons and had 94 rushes of ten yards or more during that time. Can be used as goal-line rushing option. Willing to extend plays outside of pocket with legs but look to finish the play with his arm. Mentally tough enough to carry a heavy offensive burden for the Bulldogs over last three years. When protected better in 2014, showed an ability to challenge deep and strike with accuracy and touch.
Weaknesses
Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.
Draft Projection
Round 3
NFL Comparison
Brett Hundley
Bottom Line
Hard to find an NFL comp for Prescott because he's built like Donovan McNabb, but lacks McNabb's ability and polish. Prescott has NFL size, mobility and enough arm, but the tape shows a player who must improve his mechanics, poise and quickness through his progressions if he is to become a full-time starter in the NFL. There are absolutely draftable traits and upside, but he will need extended work to smooth out his flaws. Until then, a team would be wise to utilize him on short-yardage packages.



It's a message board bro. Not everyone will post stuff you want to see. Get over it. I don't make a habit to reply to everyone that sees a win and posts messages about how great Dallas Cowboys football is and how this player deserves full credit from every poster. I like Dak, but I like the Cowboys winning more. Plus, I have posted about other players plenty. There are lots of things to like about the Cowboys and Dak-no one can post every detail about every player on every post.



I know it is not a hater's thread. It involves criticism which equals hatred to many posters (which I find kinda hilarious).

I didn't see anything in there about Winning genius, which is the most important part of being QB of America's Team.

 

[Blitzen]

I didn't see anything in there about Winning genius, which is the most important part of being QB of America's Team.

QB's do not "win," but teams do. I'm sure you know that as earlier you posted about QB play is not all or nothing and how they need lots of other players to perform well to get a successful result. I did say he has guts and plays his best ball when in high pressure situations. Not a rosy enough picture?

 

[OmerV]

We we're all talking tank at 3-5.
It was the best path at the time...

Obviously it wasn't the best path at the time.

 

[Clove]

QB's do not "win," but teams do. I'm sure you know that as earlier you posted about QB play is not all or nothing and how they need lots of other players to perform well to get a successful result. I did say he has guts and plays his best ball when in high pressure situations. Not a rosy enough picture?

What part of this 5 game winning does he need to work on? Does he need to win by 1 or 60 points, and if he only wins by 2 points, is that in actuality a loss? Since wins and losses doesn't matter to you stupid fans.

 

[Blitzen]

What part of this 5 game winning does he need to work on? Does he need to win by 1 or 60 points, and if he only wins by 2 points, is that in actuality a loss? Since wins and losses doesn't matter to you stupid fans.

Bro, I get it. You already made your point awhile ago. You want fans to keep negative or too critical (from your perspective) posts to themselves. Get a grip. Some people watch the games and can feel good and not so good all at the same time. If you liked Parcells you knew he would look at a game like that from Prescott and like the win and clutch ending, but would not hesitate to roast Dak for the errors.

 

[Ken]

Bro, he struggled in college to hit those routes. Which is why teams including our own did not target him in the draft till much later. Of course, the coaches and coordinators could assist him in improving more.

This idea that the coaches are to blame for most of his struggles that I named has some merit. But along with that, you have to think the coaches may avoid asking him to throw those types of routes because of what they see from him in practice. And he may avoid throwing them because of his confidence in throwing the route.

Is that why or was it because he didn't take a snap from under center and had a dui?

 

[DFWJC]

Perhaps you need to realize that even NFL QB's are human and can make mistakes. What separates the average QB's from the great one's is the will and the ability to persevere even when the game is going bad.

True.
That AND several other things separate the average from great
For starters, obviously a great QB would have things going bad quite as often as a lessor one...for starters.
But hear you. Persevering is big

 

[Clove]

Bro, I get it. You already made your point awhile ago. You want fans to keep negative or too critical (from your perspective) posts to themselves. Get a grip. Some people watch the games and can feel good and not so good all at the same time. If you liked Parcells you knew he would look at a game like that from Prescott and like the win and clutch ending, but would not hesitate to roast Dak for the errors.

The Dak detractors make me laugh...

They talk about things like, he needs to work on...

Pocket presence
Accuracy
Fumbling issues
Hitting open receivers down field

Am I missing anything else?

But they forget to add these parts in.

Bad offensive coordinator
Bad scheming of route concepts
Horrible offensive line play
Terrible QBs coach
2.8 year 4th round player
Iffy at best head coach.
1 great receiver and 1 rookie receiver and no true TE.
Have to have the load on his shoulders of being perfect because he's the Dallas Cowboys QB.

Meahwhile, winning is justs not enough. 5 in a row is just not enough. The fact that since Amari, a number 1 receiver has come to town, everyone of his statistics have moved up considerably. Some of his fumbles are a direct result of the offensive line, and some are on him.

Does he try to make things happen and end of fumbling sometimes, of course he does, and he DOES need to cut that part out. But all, let me repeat, ALL QBs fumble, and ALL QBs throw INTERCEPTIONS, just ask Romo. All QBs miss receivers. Yeah he did miss Gallup twice, but he sure nailed it with Cooper huh?

 

[Zman5]

Calm down buddy. I have already said I want the Cowboys to win (with whoever is playing QB). My general statement is that while Dak can hit certain routes, he rarely attempts the routes I spoke of (which the offense runs routinely).

Dak is more comfortable throwing shorter routes that are not headed vertically. Watch the all 22 from each of his games including 2016 (where the bulk of the long yardage success was on back shoulder jump balls). Linehan was OC in 2016 and his offense led to 13 wins.

Our OL from 2016 was 100x better than 2018. That's the biggest difference along with presence of having Witt and Dez. Prescott's main issues are with pressure. Give him better protections and he'll play much better.

 

[Blitzen]

The Dak detractors make me laugh...

They talk about things like, he needs to work on...

Pocket presence
Accuracy
Fumbling issues
Hitting open receivers down field

Am I missing anything else?

But they forget to add these parts in.

Bad offensive coordinator
Bad scheming of route concepts
Horrible offensive line play
Terrible QBs coach
2.8 year 4th round player
Iffy at best head coach.
1 great receiver and 1 rookie receiver and no true TE.
Have to have the load on his shoulders of being perfect because he's the Dallas Cowboys QB.

Meahwhile, winning is justs not enough. 5 in a row is just not enough. The fact that since Amari, a number 1 receiver has come to town, everyone of his statistics have moved up considerably. Some of his fumbles are a direct result of the offensive line, and some are on him.

Does he try to make things happen and end of fumbling sometimes, of course he does, and he DOES need to cut that part out. But all, let me repeat, ALL QBs fumble, and ALL QBs throw INTERCEPTIONS, just ask Romo. All QBs miss receivers. Yeah he did miss Gallup twice, but he sure nailed it with Cooper huh?

And I still will make comments that include criticism. There is a mixed bag for all kinds of stuff. You are saying the OC is horrible and he was OC when the team went 12-4 and 13-3.

Sounds like it could be worse. Doesn't Elliott lead the league in rushing currently? So the offensive line must not be "horrible." According to next gen stats, Dak holds the ball longer than all but 6 QBs.

What about the scheme is so terrible? Why is Kellen Moore a terrible QB coach? Cole Beasley is a very good slot receiver.

Repeat. I loved the win. I loved how Dak became clutch and started hitting big plays. You can celebrate and criticize at the same time.

 

[Clove]

And I still will make comments that include criticism. There is a mixed bag for all kinds of stuff. You are saying the OC is horrible and he was OC when the team went 12-4 and 13-3.

Sounds like it could be worse. Doesn't Elliott lead the league in rushing currently? So the offensive line must not be "horrible." According to next gen stats, Dak holds the ball longer than all but 6 QBs.

What about the scheme is so terrible? Why is Kellen Moore a terrible QB coach? Cole Beasley is a very good slot receiver.

Repeat. I loved the win. I loved how Dak became clutch and started hitting big plays. You can celebrate and criticize at the same time.

With TALENT. These things happened when we had legit talent on the field.

Did you see how quick the Philly's defensive line got in on Dak Prescott or were you watching Lucy at the time? Have you not been watching this offensive line all year? Have you not watched this offensive line continuously commit penalties because they were simply beat? I guess people see what they wanna see.

Did you watch the 3 8-8 seasons we went through? Would you hire a 21 year old who has no experience whatsoever to be in charge of your highest mature account in your company?

Since you like stats, what does "next gen stats" say about 5 game winning streaks? You see, a QB can't be perfect, but if you win 5 games in a row, you're a pretty solid QB.

 

[Blitzen]

Is that why or was it because he didn't take a snap from under center and had a dui?

I'm sure it played a role in him not going in the 2nd or 3rd. But the projections for that year did not put him as a high QB prospect. The Cowboys have admitted that they would need to audit their own evaluation metrics. Sounds like they are trying to quantify the it and clutch factor. They were targeting traditional pocket QBs with ability to improvise along with arm to hit timing routes and attack downfield in tight windows.

 

[Aviano90]

QB's do not "win," but teams do. I'm sure you know that as earlier you posted about QB play is not all or nothing and how they need lots of other players to perform well to get a successful result. I did say he has guts and plays his best ball when in high pressure situations. Not a rosy enough picture?

That’s why Weeden got a bad rap in 2015. The team wasn’t good enough to win with him and everyone kept on pointing the finger at him...and Cassel...and Moore. We just needed a better team.

 

[acr731]

That’s why Weeden got a bad rap in 2015. The team wasn’t good enough to win with him and everyone kept on pointing the finger at him...and Cassel...and Moore. We just needed a better team.

A better HC would have made a difference as well.

 

[Blitzen]

With TALENT. These things happened when we had legit talent on the field.

Did you see how quick the Philly's defensive line got in on Dak Prescott or were you watching Lucy at the time? Have you not been watching this offensive line all year? Have you not watched this offensive line continuously commit penalties because they were simply beat? I guess people see what they wanna see.

Did you watch the 3 8-8 seasons we went through? Would you hire a 21 year old who has no experience whatsoever to be in charge of your highest mature account in your company?

Since you like stats, what does "next gen stats" say about 5 game winning streaks? You see, a QB can't be perfect, but if you win 5 games in a row, you're a pretty solid QB.

So the offensive line is a sieve with no talent? This 5 game win steak is being done with no talent on the field? Being 21 doesn't make you a bad hire. Being sucky makes you a bad hire. He is a solid QB. And will be criticized by people that can take the good with the bad.

 

[Blitzen]

That’s why Weeden got a bad rap in 2015. The team wasn’t good enough to win with him and everyone kept on pointing the finger at him...and Cassel...and Moore. We just needed a better team.

Each individual player has a role in winning. I never said a QB had no impact on winning.

 

[Clove]

So the offensive line is a sieve with no talent? This 5 game win steak is being done with no talent on the field? Being 21 doesn't make you a bad hire. Being sucky makes you a bad hire. He is a solid QB. And will be criticized by people that can take the good with the bad.

Tell me how we somehow went 13-3 with a subpar QB, in your opinion? You have all the answers, I'd be willing to sit here and learn from the great Blitzen.

 

[Clove]

Each individual player has a role in winning. I never said a QB had no impact on winning.

Suggestions, you're a closet Dak hater, admit it then we can move on.

 

[Clove]

So the offensive line is a sieve with no talent? This 5 game win steak is being done with no talent on the field? Being 21 doesn't make you a bad hire. Being sucky makes you a bad hire. He is a solid QB. And will be criticized by people that can take the good with the bad.

Amari Cooper, remember before and after him? Talent for a WR makes a difference.

 

[Blitzen]

Tell me how we somehow went 13-3 with a subpar QB, in your opinion? You have all the answers, I'd be willing to sit here and learn from the great Blitzen.

Even great QBs are not above criticism. Not saying Dak is great just sayin.