A hopeful model for Stephen Jones in the future

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They have the conversation on tape.

I can't believe that anyone would be surprised by this though. His actions have been showing this mentality for a while. Agents hate dealing with him; saying he is deliberately obtuse.
You’ve heard the tape? No, you haven’t so again you’re taking a former producer whose telling a story btw on his current podcast and taking it as verbatim.
 

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Cowboys fans know by now that as long as Jerry Jones is breathing, he will keep himself and SJ in complete and sole control over the Cowboys. Unfortunately that’s a given.

BUT…When Jerry is gone, there is an NFL family model and structure that is working and could potentially work here if Stephen Jones is wise and open to it. The model family is the Hunt family, the longtime owners of the chiefs. The late HOF owner Lamar Hunt was the founding owner of the old AFL Dallas Texans which of course moved to Kansas City in 1963 and became the Kansas City Chiefs.

Lamar Hunt was one of the more influential owners in NFL history, arguably second only to Jerry Jones. It was Lamar Hunt who conceived of the first AFL-NFL championship game we know now as “The Super Bowl” and was instrumental in helping form the the modern NFL in 1970 with the merger of the AFL and the NFL. Like Jerry, Lamar Hunt had vision, was innovative and was incredibly successful as both a businessman and an owner.

But where Lamar Hunt was way different than Jerry is where hope for the future of the way the Cowboys are run may reside.

Lamar Hunt believed and practiced delegation. He had authority but he delegated football authority to others. He always hired a President and a GM to lead his football operations and perhaps more importantly, made sure he had a succession plan that made clear what he believed was the best way to see his legacy run. Lamar Hunt passed away in 2006 at aged 74.

Hunt’s succession plan included keeping the structure he had used and allowed his wife and 4 children to elect the next chairman/CEO of the team who would serve as the leader of the organization. Here is a quick overview of the Chiefs organization:
  • Chairman/CEO Clark Hunt, the oldest Hunt child. Delegates most football responsibilities to the president and to the GM.
  • Team President- Mark Donovan- now in his 25th year as team President. He is responsible along with the CEO to hire a GM and supervise them along with support staff. Donovan along with Clark Hunt are responsible for the hiring of GM Brett Veach, one of the best and most successful GMs in the NFL.
  • General Manager- Brett Veach. Veach is now in his 8th year as GM and is responsible for the hiring of Head Coach Andy Reid and made the aggressive moves to move up in 2017 draft to acquire Patrick Mahomes. Veach is also very aggressive in free agency and at 46 is still very young.
By the way, neither CEO Clark Hunt nor team President Mark Donovan have a radio show or press conferences before or after games. GM Brett Veach appears occasionally on a series of podcasts or interviews, usually done in the spring AFTER the draft, before training camp, and monthly during the season. Andy Reid is in charge of releasing pre and post game information and does most of the talk with the media. Imagine that!

This could work in Dallas if Stephen Jones is smart enough to realize the best run sports teams delegate authority then hold those people accountable for results.


It doesn’t have to be this exact model but it’s still a decent bluepprint. I’m hopeful SJ is smart enough to realize this is a better model to run a modern NFL team.
Yep. Hunt family one of the class owners in NFL.

Actually almost any other NFL franchise is a better model than what we have .

In case no one has noticed there haven’t been other NFL franchises following our model under Jethro Jone$.
 

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They have the conversation on tape.

I can't believe that anyone would be surprised by this though. His actions have been showing this mentality for a while. Agents hate dealing with him; saying he is deliberately obtuse.
Did you ever hear the tape when Jerry was trying to deal up for Paxton Lynch?

Forget about how much of a bust he was, not the point as no one knew that at the time.

Jerry is on the phone with Seattle, who wanted Dallas’ 2nd and 3rd to move up into the late first. Stephen says “that’s too expensive.”

Keep in mind that the 2nd becomes the actual pick, so the cost is only the 3rd to move up.

How in the WORLD does one of them determine they need to draft a certain QB of the future in the first round, yet the other says a 3rd round pick is too much in return for that?

We aren’t talking about dealing up for a safety. It’s a QB. Either you love him and don’t care about a third rounder, or you aren’t in on him at all.

Proof that this kid has no idea what he is doing, and Jerry apparently listens, and is conservative because he doesn’t want to be exposed for the fraud he is.
 

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Bob, you can do better. You and Rusty need to get together and ride some unicorns and jump some rainbows. :D
Jerry loves you, and remember, this is the best it's ever going to get. :p
 

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I may be crazy…but I have some hope. One of these days the second generation Jones family members may get tired of watching other people hoist Lombardis and decide there’s a better way to do this.
Man IDK about that. Its like when Kim Jong Un's father died and we all hoped he would be better too LOL.
 

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Cowboys fans know by now that as long as Jerry Jones is breathing, he will keep himself and SJ in complete and sole control over the Cowboys. Unfortunately that’s a given.

BUT…When Jerry is gone, there is an NFL family model and structure that is working and could potentially work here if Stephen Jones is wise and open to it. The model family is the Hunt family, the longtime owners of the chiefs. The late HOF owner Lamar Hunt was the founding owner of the old AFL Dallas Texans which of course moved to Kansas City in 1963 and became the Kansas City Chiefs.

Lamar Hunt was one of the more influential owners in NFL history, arguably second only to Jerry Jones. It was Lamar Hunt who conceived of the first AFL-NFL championship game we know now as “The Super Bowl” and was instrumental in helping form the the modern NFL in 1970 with the merger of the AFL and the NFL. Like Jerry, Lamar Hunt had vision, was innovative and was incredibly successful as both a businessman and an owner.

But where Lamar Hunt was way different than Jerry is where hope for the future of the way the Cowboys are run may reside.

Lamar Hunt believed and practiced delegation. He had authority but he delegated football authority to others. He always hired a President and a GM to lead his football operations and perhaps more importantly, made sure he had a succession plan that made clear what he believed was the best way to see his legacy run. Lamar Hunt passed away in 2006 at aged 74.

Hunt’s succession plan included keeping the structure he had used and allowed his wife and 4 children to elect the next chairman/CEO of the team who would serve as the leader of the organization. Here is a quick overview of the Chiefs organization:
  • Chairman/CEO Clark Hunt, the oldest Hunt child. Delegates most football responsibilities to the president and to the GM.
  • Team President- Mark Donovan- now in his 25th year as team President. He is responsible along with the CEO to hire a GM and supervise them along with support staff. Donovan along with Clark Hunt are responsible for the hiring of GM Brett Veach, one of the best and most successful GMs in the NFL.
  • General Manager- Brett Veach. Veach is now in his 8th year as GM and is responsible for the hiring of Head Coach Andy Reid and made the aggressive moves to move up in 2017 draft to acquire Patrick Mahomes. Veach is also very aggressive in free agency and at 46 is still very young.
By the way, neither CEO Clark Hunt nor team President Mark Donovan have a radio show or press conferences before or after games. GM Brett Veach appears occasionally on a series of podcasts or interviews, usually done in the spring AFTER the draft, before training camp, and monthly during the season. Andy Reid is in charge of releasing pre and post game information and does most of the talk with the media. Imagine that!

This could work in Dallas if Stephen Jones is smart enough to realize the best run sports teams delegate authority then hold those people accountable for results.


It doesn’t have to be this exact model but it’s still a decent bluepprint. I’m hopeful SJ is smart enough to realize this is a better model to run a modern NFL team.
It looks like Mahomes made them productive after a 50 year Super Bowl drought.
 

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Cowboys fans know by now that as long as Jerry Jones is breathing, he will keep himself and SJ in complete and sole control over the Cowboys. Unfortunately that’s a given.

BUT…When Jerry is gone, there is an NFL family model and structure that is working and could potentially work here if Stephen Jones is wise and open to it. The model family is the Hunt family, the longtime owners of the chiefs. The late HOF owner Lamar Hunt was the founding owner of the old AFL Dallas Texans which of course moved to Kansas City in 1963 and became the Kansas City Chiefs.

Lamar Hunt was one of the more influential owners in NFL history, arguably second only to Jerry Jones. It was Lamar Hunt who conceived of the first AFL-NFL championship game we know now as “The Super Bowl” and was instrumental in helping form the the modern NFL in 1970 with the merger of the AFL and the NFL. Like Jerry, Lamar Hunt had vision, was innovative and was incredibly successful as both a businessman and an owner.

But where Lamar Hunt was way different than Jerry is where hope for the future of the way the Cowboys are run may reside.

Lamar Hunt believed and practiced delegation. He had authority but he delegated football authority to others. He always hired a President and a GM to lead his football operations and perhaps more importantly, made sure he had a succession plan that made clear what he believed was the best way to see his legacy run. Lamar Hunt passed away in 2006 at aged 74.

Hunt’s succession plan included keeping the structure he had used and allowed his wife and 4 children to elect the next chairman/CEO of the team who would serve as the leader of the organization. Here is a quick overview of the Chiefs organization:
  • Chairman/CEO Clark Hunt, the oldest Hunt child. Delegates most football responsibilities to the president and to the GM.
  • Team President- Mark Donovan- now in his 25th year as team President. He is responsible along with the CEO to hire a GM and supervise them along with support staff. Donovan along with Clark Hunt are responsible for the hiring of GM Brett Veach, one of the best and most successful GMs in the NFL.
  • General Manager- Brett Veach. Veach is now in his 8th year as GM and is responsible for the hiring of Head Coach Andy Reid and made the aggressive moves to move up in 2017 draft to acquire Patrick Mahomes. Veach is also very aggressive in free agency and at 46 is still very young.
By the way, neither CEO Clark Hunt nor team President Mark Donovan have a radio show or press conferences before or after games. GM Brett Veach appears occasionally on a series of podcasts or interviews, usually done in the spring AFTER the draft, before training camp, and monthly during the season. Andy Reid is in charge of releasing pre and post game information and does most of the talk with the media. Imagine that!

This could work in Dallas if Stephen Jones is smart enough to realize the best run sports teams delegate authority then hold those people accountable for results.


It doesn’t have to be this exact model but it’s still a decent bluepprint. I’m hopeful SJ is smart enough to realize this is a better model to run a modern NFL team.
Bob

Nice thoughts. The Chiefs had this structure between Super Bowl 4 and Super Bowl 54. How many SBs in those years? Zero. 50 years no appearances. What made the difference? A transcendent QB so if I could have our current structure with a transcedant QB or the current Chiefs structure with Alex Smith, I’ll take the QB.
 

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Cowboys fans know by now that as long as Jerry Jones is breathing, he will keep himself and SJ in complete and sole control over the Cowboys. Unfortunately that’s a given.

BUT…When Jerry is gone, there is an NFL family model and structure that is working and could potentially work here if Stephen Jones is wise and open to it. The model family is the Hunt family, the longtime owners of the chiefs. The late HOF owner Lamar Hunt was the founding owner of the old AFL Dallas Texans which of course moved to Kansas City in 1963 and became the Kansas City Chiefs.

Lamar Hunt was one of the more influential owners in NFL history, arguably second only to Jerry Jones. It was Lamar Hunt who conceived of the first AFL-NFL championship game we know now as “The Super Bowl” and was instrumental in helping form the the modern NFL in 1970 with the merger of the AFL and the NFL. Like Jerry, Lamar Hunt had vision, was innovative and was incredibly successful as both a businessman and an owner.

But where Lamar Hunt was way different than Jerry is where hope for the future of the way the Cowboys are run may reside.

Lamar Hunt believed and practiced delegation. He had authority but he delegated football authority to others. He always hired a President and a GM to lead his football operations and perhaps more importantly, made sure he had a succession plan that made clear what he believed was the best way to see his legacy run. Lamar Hunt passed away in 2006 at aged 74.

Hunt’s succession plan included keeping the structure he had used and allowed his wife and 4 children to elect the next chairman/CEO of the team who would serve as the leader of the organization. Here is a quick overview of the Chiefs organization:
  • Chairman/CEO Clark Hunt, the oldest Hunt child. Delegates most football responsibilities to the president and to the GM.
  • Team President- Mark Donovan- now in his 25th year as team President. He is responsible along with the CEO to hire a GM and supervise them along with support staff. Donovan along with Clark Hunt are responsible for the hiring of GM Brett Veach, one of the best and most successful GMs in the NFL.
  • General Manager- Brett Veach. Veach is now in his 8th year as GM and is responsible for the hiring of Head Coach Andy Reid and made the aggressive moves to move up in 2017 draft to acquire Patrick Mahomes. Veach is also very aggressive in free agency and at 46 is still very young.
By the way, neither CEO Clark Hunt nor team President Mark Donovan have a radio show or press conferences before or after games. GM Brett Veach appears occasionally on a series of podcasts or interviews, usually done in the spring AFTER the draft, before training camp, and monthly during the season. Andy Reid is in charge of releasing pre and post game information and does most of the talk with the media. Imagine that!

This could work in Dallas if Stephen Jones is smart enough to realize the best run sports teams delegate authority then hold those people accountable for results.


It doesn’t have to be this exact model but it’s still a decent bluepprint. I’m hopeful SJ is smart enough to realize this is a better model to run a modern NFL team.
I’d love to believe that Stephen is smarter than his dad but he seems to be every bit the idiot his dad is. Plus Stephen has aged worse than David Lee Roth and I predict he will be “sing with the choir eternal” before Jerry.
 

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Bob

Nice thoughts. The Chiefs had this structure between Super Bowl 4 and Super Bowl 54. How many SBs in those years? Zero. 50 years no appearances. What made the difference? A transcendent QB so if I could have our current structure with a transcedant QB or the current Chiefs structure with Alex Smith, I’ll take the QB.
Except we’ve tried how many QBs since Aikman and none of them can get us to the conf championship game.
 

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Yep. Hunt family one of the class owners in NFL.

Actually almost any other NFL franchise is a better model than what we have .

In case no one has noticed there haven’t been other NFL franchises following our model under Jethro Jone$.
Indeed.
 

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Bob

Nice thoughts. The Chiefs had this structure between Super Bowl 4 and Super Bowl 54. How many SBs in those years? Zero. 50 years no appearances. What made the difference? A transcendent QB so if I could have our current structure with a transcedant QB or the current Chiefs structure with Alex Smith, I’ll take the QB.
We‘ve had the same functional structure for three decades. Surely you‘re not saying that’s worth keeping.

Besides, when the chiefs hired Brett Veach and Andy Reid, Mahomes followed because they were aggressive in the draft moving up spots to draft Mahomes. It wasn’t luck. Just like the rest of the team besides Mahomes that plays Sunday wasn’t luck. They have an excellent defense.

Having a top three GM matters. We have three decades of evidence that proves what it means to have a mediocre GM who doesn’t know what he’s doing. I know which structure has the best chance for long term success and it’s not the one with the owner also the GM.
 

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Cowboys fans know by now that as long as Jerry Jones is breathing, he will keep himself and SJ in complete and sole control over the Cowboys. Unfortunately that’s a given.

BUT…When Jerry is gone, there is an NFL family model and structure that is working and could potentially work here if Stephen Jones is wise and open to it. The model family is the Hunt family, the longtime owners of the chiefs. The late HOF owner Lamar Hunt was the founding owner of the old AFL Dallas Texans which of course moved to Kansas City in 1963 and became the Kansas City Chiefs.

Lamar Hunt was one of the more influential owners in NFL history, arguably second only to Jerry Jones. It was Lamar Hunt who conceived of the first AFL-NFL championship game we know now as “The Super Bowl” and was instrumental in helping form the the modern NFL in 1970 with the merger of the AFL and the NFL. Like Jerry, Lamar Hunt had vision, was innovative and was incredibly successful as both a businessman and an owner.

But where Lamar Hunt was way different than Jerry is where hope for the future of the way the Cowboys are run may reside.

Lamar Hunt believed and practiced delegation. He had authority but he delegated football authority to others. He always hired a President and a GM to lead his football operations and perhaps more importantly, made sure he had a succession plan that made clear what he believed was the best way to see his legacy run. Lamar Hunt passed away in 2006 at aged 74.

Hunt’s succession plan included keeping the structure he had used and allowed his wife and 4 children to elect the next chairman/CEO of the team who would serve as the leader of the organization. Here is a quick overview of the Chiefs organization:
  • Chairman/CEO Clark Hunt, the oldest Hunt child. Delegates most football responsibilities to the president and to the GM.
  • Team President- Mark Donovan- now in his 25th year as team President. He is responsible along with the CEO to hire a GM and supervise them along with support staff. Donovan along with Clark Hunt are responsible for the hiring of GM Brett Veach, one of the best and most successful GMs in the NFL.
  • General Manager- Brett Veach. Veach is now in his 8th year as GM and is responsible for the hiring of Head Coach Andy Reid and made the aggressive moves to move up in 2017 draft to acquire Patrick Mahomes. Veach is also very aggressive in free agency and at 46 is still very young.
By the way, neither CEO Clark Hunt nor team President Mark Donovan have a radio show or press conferences before or after games. GM Brett Veach appears occasionally on a series of podcasts or interviews, usually done in the spring AFTER the draft, before training camp, and monthly during the season. Andy Reid is in charge of releasing pre and post game information and does most of the talk with the media. Imagine that!

This could work in Dallas if Stephen Jones is smart enough to realize the best run sports teams delegate authority then hold those people accountable for results.


It doesn’t have to be this exact model but it’s still a decent bluepprint. I’m hopeful SJ is smart enough to realize this is a better model to run a modern NFL team.
Your Jerry hate is concerning....find another team...
 

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It looks like Mahomes made them productive after a 50 year Super Bowl drought.
Because they did a lot of great scouting research on him, traded up multiple spots to draft him. Nine other NFL teams had the chance to get “lucky” with Mahomes but they didn’t think he was that goI’d.

And besides that, their owner also hired a top notch then 39 year old GM named Brett Veach who has built 2 SB winners (probably a a 3rd) , 4 AFC championships, and is 46 years old. He’s made his own luck because he knows what he’s doing.
 
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