A Minor Comparison

[Doctor32]

You're a doctor, got an Ace bandage? My knee hurts.

Unfortunate nickname only. There's only 1 cure for knee-jerkitis... logic.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Actually the Jets might need to be out on the ledge.

That offense was beyond horrible and Ryan's mouth (chip off the old block) has put a target on that team with everyone wanting their shot at them.

 

[Jimz31]

If I remember correctly, home teams predominatly win on opening weeks....plus, I would say that defenses have the advantage till about week 4 or so....

Look at some of the play by these so called top teams....it hasn't been too impressive by any of them for the most part.

 

[Hostile]

How sarcastic. You don't see a problem with penalties on this team over the last few years. We don't suck you goombah, but we could be great if those were cut down.

All I'm asking is why is this, why do we sit up near the top in this category for the last few years ? Lets find out why and fix it.

Is that really too much to ask ?

I don't want to be a goombah, I want to be a jabroni.

Cincinnati only had 2 penalties for 5 yards. The Falcons 3 penalties for 24 yards. Chargers 5 penalties for 30 yards. Rams 5 penalties for 40 yards. Browns 5 penalties for 47 yards. Bills 5 penalties for 35 yards.

Most teams would take that. They all lost.

Last year Dallas was penalized 6.9 times per game. I would have taken 6 to 7 on Sunday. I think we win. Heck, just take away Barron's hold and we win.

I don't mind a penalty if it is aggressive. In other words if a player gets a flag for a hard hit or a PI where they go for the ball. I can understand those things happen. Last year 2 teams were tied with us at 6.9 penalties (B-more & Oakland) and 3 were worse. Cincy, Philly, and Green Bay. You know what I notice when I see that? 5 of those teams were in the playoffs.

Let me ask you this. How do you fix penalties? I gotta tell you I am all ears for this. Did you know that Jason Witten is one of our most penalized players? I don't think he is one of our worse players. I hope that's not just me.

 

[Woods]

Let me ask you this. How do you fix penalties? I gotta tell you I am all ears for this. Did you know that Jason Witten is one of our most penalized players? I don't think he is one of our worse players. I hope that's not just me.
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I wonder if there are statistics breaking down penalties by categories - for example, the number of pre-snap penalties (i.e., illegal motion, jumping offsides, etc)?

Not sure how you can really correct it though.

 

[Jarv]

I don't want to be a goombah, I want to be a jabroni.

Cincinnati only had 2 penalties for 5 yards. The Falcons 3 penalties for 24 yards. Chargers 5 penalties for 30 yards. Rams 5 penalties for 40 yards. Browns 5 penalties for 47 yards. Bills 5 penalties for 35 yards.

Most teams would take that. They all lost.

Last year Dallas was penalized 6.9 times per game. I would have taken 6 to 7 on Sunday. I think we win. Heck, just take away Barron's hold and we win.

I don't mind a penalty if it is aggressive. In other words if a player gets a flag for a hard hit or a PI where they go for the ball. I can understand those things happen. Last year 2 teams were tied with us at 6.9 penalties (B-more & Oakland) and 3 were worse. Cincy, Philly, and Green Bay. You know what I notice when I see that? 5 of those teams were in the playoffs.

Let me ask you this. How do you fix penalties? I gotta tell you I am all ears for this. Did you know that Jason Witten is one of our most penalized players? I don't think he is one of our worse players. I hope that's not just me.

Me too, its a stat I hate being in the lead in, year after year. I was hoping you could give some insight on that ! On top of that, I can't find any stats on it but I bet were the in the top ten of NOT getting calls like holding against Ware and Brooking last week.

Maybe we should complain more...and I am being serious.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Team 1...380 yards of Offense
Team 2...308 yards of Offense

Team 1...24 first downs
Team 2...18 first downs

Team 1...5 of 13 on 3rd down
Team 2...3 of 11 on 3rd down

Team 1...34:03 time of possession
Team 2...33:43 time of possession

Team 1 should have scored 14 points, a holding penalty negated it.

Team 2 did score 14 points and is considered the best Offense in the NFL with the best Offensive mind in the NFL.

Both teams played teams whose defenses are their strengths.

What is the main difference here? There are two. Emotional attachment and too many penalties from our team.

On the penalty front Rex Ryan, a great disciplinary type coach we have been told, his team committed 14 penalties for 125 yards last night.

Morale of this story...don't jump off the ledge after week 1. Hell don't even climb out on the ledge yet.

Team 1: 3 penalties for 20 yards, played one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, are the defending Superbowl champions and flaunted their unflappable will to win last year

Team 2: 12 penalties for 91 yards, played the NFC East bottom feeder, and has a history of losing games due to mental errors, penalties, and a lack of discipline and fire

Just sayin Hos

 

[Boom]

Me too, its a stat I hate being in the lead in, year after year. I was hoping you could give some insight on that ! On top of that, I can't find any stats on it but I bet were the in the top ten of NOT getting calls like holding against Ware and Brooking last week.

Maybe we should complain more...and I am being serious.

I'd like to see the numbers breakdown on penalties committed on offense vs ones on defense. It seemed like the majority of Cowboy infractions happened on offense. If the team has 10 possessions and 5 are killed by penalties, then it's going to be a long day.

 

[Hostile]

Team 1: 3 penalties for 20 yards, played one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, are the defending Superbowl champions and flaunted their unflappable will to win last year

Team 2: 12 penalties for 91 yards, played the NFC East bottom feeder, and has a history of losing games due to mental errors, penalties, and a lack of discipline and fire

Just sayin Hos

Team 1 was Dallas. Team 2 was Nawlins.

Nawlins has a losing History period. If you want to talk about History I'm your Huckleberry. Just say when and we'll find out if you are a daisy.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Team 1 was Dallas. Team 2 was Nawlins.

Nawlins has a losing History period. If you want to talk about History I'm your Huckleberry. Just say when and we'll find out if you are a daisy.

In the time frame in question, NO has accomplished much, much more than Dallas has. It's sad, but it's the reality of the situation.

They've proven themselves, we have not. Our team simply cannot get out of its own way. Sean Payton knows how to win, knows how to prepare his team and knows how to light a fire under a spoiled NFL player's ***. Wade Phillips...well shucks, he's just a good ol' boy.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Team 1...380 yards of Offense
Team 2...308 yards of Offense

Team 1...24 first downs
Team 2...18 first downs

Team 1...5 of 13 on 3rd down
Team 2...3 of 11 on 3rd down

Team 1...34:03 time of possession
Team 2...33:43 time of possession

Team 1 should have scored 14 points, a holding penalty negated it.

Team 2 did score 14 points and is considered the best Offense in the NFL with the best Offensive mind in the NFL.

Both teams played teams whose defenses are their strengths.

What is the main difference here? There are two. Emotional attachment and too many penalties from our team.

On the penalty front Rex Ryan, a great disciplinary type coach we have been told, his team committed 14 penalties for 125 yards last night.

Morale of this story...don't jump off the ledge after week 1. Hell don't even climb out on the ledge yet.

That's weird I don't remember the Pats scoring only 14 points this past weekend. *shrugs* Any how IDK who team 2 is nor do I care. I'll just ask you to post the turnovers each team committed and how many turnovers each team forced.

 

[Hostile]

Me too, its a stat I hate being in the lead in, year after year. I was hoping you could give some insight on that ! On top of that, I can't find any stats on it but I bet were the in the top ten of NOT getting calls like holding against Ware and Brooking last week.

Maybe we should complain more...and I am being serious.

I am being dead serious here. Tex Schramm once lamented that Dallas was always going to be among the top most penalized teams in the NFL because of him. Referees felt slighted by his vision of instant replay assisting in making important calls. That they were not respected or trusted.

Now, I have no idea at all if this mentality still carries on with the team under Jerry Jones, but Tex had cited his tenure on the Competition Committee as well as Rules Committee when he said the above suspicions.

I have always just accepted the fact that we were going to draw a lot of penalties. I am conditioned to it. It does not mean that I like it. It just means I kind of shrug it off.

High powered complex Offenses generally have more pre-snap penalties than smashmouth ground attacks do. They are more likely to audible and players are more likely to forget a snap count as they think about their assignment in the play call as they set up at the LOS. I have always figured this was part of it with Flo, Colombo and Witten who have been the top 3 penalty targets of the Cowboys for several seasons.

Flo is gone. Colombo was not in the game. Instead we had 2 backups who were under pressure and we were trying to keep Tony upright. I mean it is obvious to me that this was Jason Garrett's number 1 priority.

I know this team focuses on not committing these turnovers. I know for a fact that they bring referees in to Camp to train. I cannot answer why it has not translated to results on the field.

 

[Hostile]

In the time frame in question, NO has accomplished much, much more than Dallas has. It's sad, but it's the reality of the situation.

They've proven themselves, we have not. Our team simply cannot get out of its own way. Sean Payton knows how to win, knows how to prepare his team and knows how to light a fire under a spoiled NFL player's ***. Wade Phillips...well shucks, he's just a good ol' boy.

Tell me the time frame and let's go to war.

 

[jay cee]

Team 1 has a solid QB.
Team 2 has arguably one of the top 3 QBs in the NFL.

Are you still talking about the Jets? If so, I have to disagree with that one. I'm not so sure on the top 3 QB, either if you are still talking about the Cowboys.

Nevermind, I read a little further and realize you are talking about the Saints and the Cowboys. That makes a lot more sense.

 

[Cover 2]

Team 1...380 yards of Offense
Team 2...308 yards of Offense

Team 1...24 first downs
Team 2...18 first downs

Team 1...5 of 13 on 3rd down
Team 2...3 of 11 on 3rd down

Team 1...34:03 time of possession
Team 2...33:43 time of possession

Team 1 should have scored 14 points, a holding penalty negated it.

Team 2 did score 14 points and is considered the best Offense in the NFL with the best Offensive mind in the NFL.

Both teams played teams whose defenses are their strengths.

What is the main difference here? There are two. Emotional attachment and too many penalties from our team.

On the penalty front Rex Ryan, a great disciplinary type coach we have been told, his team committed 14 penalties for 125 yards last night.

Morale of this story...don't jump off the ledge after week 1. Hell don't even climb out on the ledge yet.

Agreed.

I can be as pessimistic as anybody here, but we've only lost one game. One. Even if we were to start out 0-3 (which I don't see happening) we would still be in position to make the playoffs.

Now, I am worried out the o-line though. I was worried about their pass protection in the preseason and I still am. Hopefully Colombo is better than Barron.

 

[Jarv]

I know this team focuses on not committing these turnovers. I know for a fact that they bring referees in to Camp to train. I cannot answer why it has not translated to results on the field.

That is in a nutshell, exactly what I'm trying to get at.

 

[tupperware]

The difference is the Vikings made it to the NFCCG last year and the Commanders completely missed out.

 

[Hostile]

The difference is the Vikings made it to the NFCCG last year and the Commanders completely missed out.

Indianapolis lost to a division rival that has never been to the playoffs.

San Diego lost to a division rival who has been in the top 5 of the Draft for 3 straight years and has won a total of 10 games in those 3 years where as the Commanders have won 21.

 

[Jarv]

Indianapolis lost to a division rival that has never been to the playoffs.

San Diego lost to a division rival who has been in the top 5 of the Draft for 3 straight years and has won a total of 10 games in those 3 years where as the Commanders have won 21.

I missed last nights game, call me surprised at the SD outcome.

 

[tupperware]

Indianapolis lost to a division rival that has never been to the playoffs.

San Diego lost to a division rival who has been in the top 5 of the Draft for 3 straight years and has won a total of 10 games in those 3 years where as the Commanders have won 21.

I'll concede San Diego. But Indy has been good for years, hardly missing the playoffs and multiple Superbowls. Fans would be nuts to overreact to that. Dallas on the other hand has been mediocre in the post-season department since.... you know when so I don't have to repeat it.