A perspective on Dak

[CapnCook]

Name a QB that didn't miss a wide open WR last week

OBJ

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That stat is wrong. I can think of about 5 off the top of my head that were over 20...

Stop making stuff up to suit your arguement.

actually somebody went through and researched it and provided the stats....if top of your head you can think of 5, its probably because its rare and it stands out in your mind....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Are you really this dense? Gallup td vs washington, Austin Td vs Giants, Zeke bomb that you referenced...scramble play against houston to austin, 90 yarder to Cooper.

Get a clue when debating...it makes it so much more interesting.

90 yarder to cooper was a catch and run, not a 20 yard pass down field. the stats is for passes that travel 20 yards..... same with gallup....yes, the Austin TD was a pass completed past 20 yards.... you can't be this clueless...then again Dak lovers are blind by Love

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If we had Cooper all season then I would look at Daks and the offensive numbers differently. You continue to not factor in what we did not have in Cooper. Where have we been trending offensively since that move has been made? Zeke, Dak, Gallup, OL have all been improving week by week since the trade. And we still have room to get better this week and beyond.

of course when you add a 2 time probowl, 2 time 1000 yard WR and a top 10 talent to the team you are going to be better.....if we didn't then everyone should be fired top to bottom and dump Dak in the process. the question is how much better? given those type of resources should we expect Elite level play and results? evidence with other QBs is they can produce at a high level and given resources their passing games are at elite level, TDs, etc....what we know even in 2016, Dak is not elite, he can play at a good level when surrounded by strong high level players.... Dak needs them to be good...I don't see elite. He is a safe QB, with average passing skills, and really good at managing games and playing at a high level in some spurts at times. He needs strong players around him, more than they need him. Cooper is a great example. he produced in Oakland with Carr. Cooper is elite, that's playing at a good above average level, due to his QBs limitations.

 

[aikemirv]

Apparently Cam Newton is a check down QB as well then.

It is becoming more of a checkdown league IMO when you have guys like Zeke, McCaffrey, Gurley, Barkley, Kamara, Cohen, White and Michel .... I think I could go on and on. It is an extension of the running game that the Patriots started. I don't mind checkdowns to Zeke at all, I do mind them on 3rd and 15 when you still have time in the pocket. I wish he would have checked down to Zeke when he took that sack/fumble in the endzone against the Skins

If Dak can play even close to what he did in the first half against the Saints, we will be just fine.

 

[aikemirv]

90 yarder to cooper was a catch and run, not a 20 yard pass down field. the stats is for passes that travel 20 yards..... same with gallup....yes, the Austin TD was a pass completed past 20 yards.... you can't be this clueless...then again Dak lovers are blind by Love

That was I think a 21 yard pass officially from the line of scrimmage

 

[Ken]

actually somebody went through and researched it and provided the stats....if top of your head you can think of 5, its probably because its rare and it stands out in your mind....

The stat you are misquoting is in the last 5 games...

 

[Ken]

90 yarder to cooper was a catch and run, not a 20 yard pass down field. the stats is for passes that travel 20 yards..... same with gallup....yes, the Austin TD was a pass completed past 20 yards.... you can't be this clueless...then again Dak lovers are blind by Love

It was a 22 yard pass from the line of scrimmage...it actually traveled 28 yards in the air. Nice try though. It is recorded as such as well.

YOU can't be this clueless....

 

[zrinkill]

The Cowboys leading receiver is....

Zeke. 53 catches.


When your RB is your #1 WR you are a check down QB.

If Cooper had been here all year, that would not be the case.

When your RB is your #1 receiver, you have no receivers

 

[Vandyr]

Or it could mean you just recently got a better than average WR

Hurns and Gallup are better than average, not to mention Beasley. The problem is the QB can't throw to anyone that isn't wide open, and when they do get wide open, there's no guarantee the pass will be anywhere near them.

You really need to stop making excuses for Dak.

 

[kskboys]

Saying a RBs receptions automatically make you a check down QB is probably too strong, but Dak is a check down QB. The film proves that out so the stats can be thrown out. He regularly forgoes opportunities downfield in favor of dumping it to Zeke. But that may be what he’s coached to do.

Looking at it from that perspective, all QB's are checkdown QB's. Consistently throwing to receivers who are tightly covered is considered foolish. Going through your progressions is a good trait.

It appears you may not be aware how most QB's around the league prolifically throw short passes. Just how it's done. There seems to be an inaccurate thought floating around that QB's must throw downfield all the time. You guys ever watch Brady? Or any QB, for that matter? Throwing short passes and moving the chains consistently is a super bowl winning type O.

 

[kskboys]

Hurns and Gallup are better than average, not to mention Beasley. The problem is the QB can't throw to anyone that isn't wide open, and when they do get wide open, there's no guarantee the pass will be anywhere near them.

You really need to stop making excuses for Dak.

Inaccurate assessment.

 

[Vandyr]

Inaccurate assessment.

Hardly.

 

[kskboys]

Hardly.

No, it is. In your zeal, you've made blanket statements that are not true. Dak has threaded the needle at times and Dak has thrown well downfield at times. What escapes him is consistency, especially w/ his mechanics. He does appear to be improving.

You made the statement that Dak cannot throw to anyone who isn't wide open. Ask the film guys, and they'll easily show you proof that this is an inaccurate statement.

 

[Rockport]

So we should feel grateful for a QB who can't throw because the Commanders are finding worse on the street right now after their top 2 QBs went down with an injury.

Nope. Wipe his lips off. He's still a pig.

We all know how upset you are with the Cowboys and Dak’s success so far.

 

[Vandyr]

No, it is. In your zeal, you've made blanket statements that are not true. Dak has threaded the needle at times and Dak has thrown well downfield at times. What escapes him is consistency, especially w/ his mechanics. He does appear to be improving.

You made the statement that Dak cannot throw to anyone who isn't wide open. Ask the film guys, and they'll easily show you proof that this is an inaccurate statement.

Yes, and this is the problem. This problem was noted in his scouting reports. His arm strength and his accuracy were a problem in college and three years into his NFL career they're still a problem. Overall, that's a major issue.

It's bad when you know that a third and long with this team is going to be a punt.

 

[Future]

Reggie Bush had 88 rec one year, his rook year I think. Is Brees a check down QB?

Yes. Peyton Manning used to throw 80 balls a year to RBs and Tom Brady does it now too.

There's nothing wrong with being a check down QB - most of the good ones are - if you can hit on opportunities down the field when they are there and understand how to get the ball quickly to your checkdowns so that they can make plays with the ball in their hands. Dak's issue is that he gets to the checkdown so late that they have no opportunity for YAC.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Looking at it from that perspective, all QB's are checkdown QB's. Consistently throwing to receivers who are tightly covered is considered foolish. Going through your progressions is a good trait.

It appears you may not be aware how most QB's around the league prolifically throw short passes. Just how it's done. There seems to be an inaccurate thought floating around that QB's must throw downfield all the time. You guys ever watch Brady? Or any QB, for that matter? Throwing short passes and moving the chains consistently is a super bowl winning type O.

Many QBs stats are boosted up by short to mid range passes where the WR can extend for play to pick up more yards with his feet. Even the QBs whose stats are in the top half of the NFL this season. Brees,Brady,Mahomes, etc...stats are all assisted by their WRs getting YAC. But, some believe that only huge down the field passes count when it comes to judging a QB's talent or giving him credit for making a big play.

 

[Diehardblues]

The Cowboys leading receiver is....

Zeke. 53 catches.


When your RB is your #1 WR you are a check down QB.

That’s a revealing stat although Cooper didn’t join us until Game 8.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It was a 22 yard pass from the line of scrimmage...it actually traveled 28 yards in the air. Nice try though. It is recorded as such as well.

YOU can't be this clueless....

wow 28 yards in the air...you do know that they measure how far is the distance from LOS..... and its funny another poster claimed it was 21..... so you Dak lovers need to get together and get your stats right before making claims.

and in the end, Dak is still an average QB. undeniable.