A Realistic Discussion of Acquiring Oshiomogho Atogwe

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The other thread got derailed and I will leave it at that.

Essentially, the issues are as such and of course say whatever I missed.

Atogwe is a RFA FS of the Rams. He will be 29 years when the season starts, runs a 4.52 40 and measures at 5'11" and 218 lbs.

Over the course of the past two seasons he has gotten 7 interceptions and three years ago he had 8. Hes also forced 9 fumbles the past two years. This is playing for a bad Rams team that has no pass rush and not much talent. They had 25 sacks and 8 picks last year.

I am thinking that he would do better with better talent around him.

The man has talent and creates turnovers in spades. I would like to know more specific information regarding his coverage skills. 5 PD doesnt tell me much. Can he single cover for example.

He was given the lowest tender this offseason by the Rams. If they decline to match the offer sheet then they get nothing in return. Jerry doesnt seem to be the kind of guy that will perform the poison pill routine so there would probably need to be a trade or there is another way.

Because the Rams offered him the lowest tender, after June 1 if they do not sign him then he is a UFA that can sign with anyone. This is interesting because the man was injured and finished the season on IR.

He injured his shoulder. Now the report says that he dislocated his shoulder. What the report does not say is that he torn his labrum aka his rotator cuff. Now shoulder injuries are problematic and right now I don't know if he can pass a physical but he missed 4 games this year but he played full seasons the previous 3.

I personally feel that if the man can pass a physical we need to get all over him. We would either need to wait 2 and a half months or work out a deal with the Rams but the first wave of FA is over and the injury will also bring the price down.

 

[JustDezIt]

MERGE.

haha, j/k fuzz

not sure if you saw this post but it kinda got lost in the threads-some info i found from rams fans, may find something new in there if ya havent seen it.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3300166&postcount=43

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

MERGE.

haha, j/k fuzz

not sure if you saw this post but it kinda got lost in the threads-some info i found from rams fans, may find something new in there if ya havent seen it.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3300166&postcount=43

Good stuff. This seems like a situation where if we do not hear anything about him over the next couple of months as in him going out for visits or negotiating with the Rams etc that bodes better for us if we ant him.

I cannot imagine he can be happy with the Rams franchise after being franchised and now this lowball.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What do "ball-hawk" mean? It's such a foreign concept around here.

 

[masomenos]

Otogwe's Madden rating is 6 points higher than Hamlin's and 17 points higher than Sensabuagh's.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Otogwe's Madden rating is 6 points higher than Hamlin's and 17 points higher than Sensabuagh's.

There's a reason.

 

[the truth of it all]

he's better all around than any saftey we have on the roster and possibly could draft. At this point in time. His 40 time is deceiving and has played on arguably the worst team of the past 5 years. His tackling has seemed suspect over past two seasons, and his 40 time leaves you wondering how he would play at fs for us. Or if he is faster than that. Looks faster in games.


IMO id rather we draft someone. But if that isnt an option he may be worth a deeper look at. No one really knows how good he may be on a solid team.
In summary risk that may not accept a 1 year deal. Darren sharper seems like the safer play but one does wonder why the saints are not making a bigger push to keep him at this point in time. His plays were key at times for their reg season record.

Rather have kid from UT

 

[Woods]

He injured his shoulder. Now the report says that he dislocated his shoulder. What the report does not say is that he torn his labrum aka his rotator cuff. Now shoulder injuries are problematic and right now I don't know if he can pass a physical but he missed 4 games this year but he played full seasons the previous 3.

I personally feel that if the man can pass a physical we need to get all over him.

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Maybe that's why the Rams put out a low tender on him?

If it was your money, how much money would you want to invest in this player given this injury?

Even if he "fully" recovers, is this the type of injury that can be reoccuring? (I don't know). And if he takes a serious hit on that shoulder, is it more susceptible (than usual) to getting injured again?

I'm not saying the Cowboys shouldn't pursue him. What I am saying is that when you read posters saying we need to get him at all costs, etc., etc., I really wonder if they have considered the severity of this injury.

EDIT: I'm not saying you are one of these posters. I'm simply making a point.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He injured his shoulder. Now the report says that he dislocated his shoulder. What the report does not say is that he torn his labrum aka his rotator cuff. Now shoulder injuries are problematic and right now I don't know if he can pass a physical but he missed 4 games this year but he played full seasons the previous 3.

I personally feel that if the man can pass a physical we need to get all over him.

=====================================================

Maybe that's why the Rams put out a low tender on him?

If it was your money, how much money would you want to invest in this player given this injury?

Even if he "fully" recovers, is this the type of injury that can be reoccuring? (I don't know). And if he takes a serious hit on that shoulder, is it more susceptible (than usual) to getting injured again?

I'm not saying the Cowboys shouldn't pursue him. What I am saying is that when you read posters saying we need to get him at all costs, etc., etc., I really wonder if they have considered the severity of this injury.

EDIT: I'm not saying you are one of these posters. I'm simply making a point.

It really does come down to the nature of the injury of course and that is why everything is preceded by him needing to pass a physical. I do think its important to note he hasn't missed time before this injury.

As for the tender its easy to explain why the Rams are doing what they are doing. They franchised him last season. Because they did that the lowest tender they can give him is just a tad under $7 mil.

Now a lot of ducks would need to fall in a row for this to work and if the FO is looking at him they probably agree. He needs to show that the shoulder is healthy and he needs to be obtainable at a decent price.

The reason why I like it is because hes still postop and needs time to heal. As time goes by the FA market becomes less and less saturated and demand increases. We can very well get a good deal. We are not looking at Rolle money here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

he's better all around than any saftey we have on the roster and possibly could draft. At this point in time. His 40 time is deceiving and has played on arguably the worst team of the past 5 years. His tackling has seemed suspect over past two seasons, and his 40 time leaves you wondering how he would play at fs for us. Or if he is faster than that. Looks faster in games.


IMO id rather we draft someone. But if that isnt an option he may be worth a deeper look at. No one really knows how good he may be on a solid team.
In summary risk that may not accept a 1 year deal. Darren sharper seems like the safer play but one does wonder why the saints are not making a bigger push to keep him at this point in time. His plays were key at times for their reg season record.

Rather have kid from UT

So you have watched him play? 4.5 is not slow BTW.

 

[the truth of it all]

So you have watched him play? 4.5 is not slow BTW.

yes, i have watched him play. and done research. Which is why i reached my conclusion about him.

By nfl standards that timed speed can be exploited. As the 40 is a solid measurement of acceleration and not necessarily top speed. For secondary players it may mean less in terms of acceleration as they obviously have more time to react. look him up yourself and you will see what im saying.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yes, i have watched him play. and done research. Which is why i reached my conclusion about him.

By nfl standards that timed speed can be exploited. As the 40 is a solid measurement of acceleration and not necessarily top speed. For secondary players it may mean less in terms of acceleration as they obviously have more time to react. look him up yourself and you will see what im saying.

What are you talking about? It speaks all about top speed. The shuttle and L drill are the best for acceleration. Its the same speed that Delmas, Johnson Morgan, Berry, Allen and Burnett run. Most safeties run right around 4.50.

I do need to DL some Rams games and look for myself though.

 

[jswalker1981]

What are you talking about? It speaks all about top speed. The shuttle and L drill are the best for acceleration. Its the same speed that Delmas, Johnson Morgan, Berry, Allen and Burnett run. Most safeties run right around 4.50.

I do need to DL some Rams games and look for myself though.

I agree. I'm so sick of 40 times. They run them once and people quote them like their the law. You know who exploited 4.5 40 time? Jerry Rice. Yep, he sure exploited the league with that 4.5 40 time. Who cares about how fast they can run 40 yards. 40 speed isn't game speed, look it up.

 

[CATCH17]

What do "ball-hawk" mean? It's such a foreign concept around here.

If you're a ball-hawk I would say it makes you at least about 4 times better than Hamlin hyperbolicly speaking.

 

[Yeagermeister]

As long as his shoulder is fine and we don't have to give up a pick I have no problems with signing him.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

As long as his shoulder is fine and we don't have to give up a pick I have no problems with signing him.

You sweet talker, betty crocker.

 

[Yeagermeister]

You sweet talker, betty crocker.

You know it :laugh1:

 

[theogt]

His coverage stats are really good, and based on that alone, he would look to be an upgrade over Hamlin. As long as "cost" wasn't an issue and there would be no downgrade from Hamlin "quarterbacking" the secondary, I don't see why you wouldn't.

It may not be worth the trouble in terms of cost and taking the time to integrate him into the system, however. Obviously it'd be easier to upgrade the SS position, though.

 

[Rampage]

His coverage stats are really good, and based on that alone, he would look to be an upgrade over Hamlin. As long as "cost" wasn't an issue and there would be no downgrade from Hamlin "quarterbacking" the secondary, I don't see why you wouldn't.

It may not be worth the trouble in terms of cost and taking the time to integrate him into the system, however. Obviously it'd be easier to upgrade the SS position, though.

whoa! If that just happened I gotta play the lotto today:

 

[peplaw06]

I am thinking that he would do better with better talent around him.

I honestly don't have a strong opinion on him one way or the other. However, I'm not really sure I agree with this theory. Just spitballing here, but the best player on a bad defense is generally going to stand out. I think playing with a better defense could cut a couple of ways... He could get lost or overshadowed, afraid to make a mistake because it actually matters on this team. But then again, he could feel like someone on this defense would back him up if he makes a mistake.

I don't think that because he's playing on a better defense, he will necessarily play better. I definitely wouldn't be convinced he'd have the same statistical results, because we have more players on our defense who make plays than the Rams do.

He injured his shoulder. Now the report says that he dislocated his shoulder. What the report does not say is that he torn his labrum aka his rotator cuff. Now shoulder injuries are problematic and right now I don't know if he can pass a physical but he missed 4 games this year but he played full seasons the previous 3.

I personally feel that if the man can pass a physical we need to get all over him. We would either need to wait 2 and a half months or work out a deal with the Rams but the first wave of FA is over and the injury will also bring the price down.

Ultimately, this is my biggest concern. The shoulder injury is no joke, especially if physicality is such a big part of his game. But if our guys feel comfortable and we sign him, I'll be behind him.