A Realistic Discussion of Acquiring Oshiomogho Atogwe

[21Savage]

Whos aid it made any difference according to position? I can think of 80 billion ways that a guy playing zone coverage regardless of position could make a mistake, physically be unable to get in position or whatever but some guy who can't even see the backend of the seondary on a network broadcast would place the blame elsewhere.

We played a ton of man under with Hamlin playing deep help over the top. I can see in any instance regardless if Hamlin bent the pooch over and plowed in he would not be assigned a target.

Then there is the whole deviation form STATS issue. In short do us all a favor and quit citing pff as if it means anything whatsoever.

Easy now! Don't find yourself a couple short when Hos asks you to get literal

And yeah, I'm definitely not a memeber of PFPFF (people for pff). Their stats have been known to be off for a while now.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Imagine Atogwe on this defense with Ware,Spencer,Newman,Jenkins and James.

He puts up numbers on the Rams with all those Googlers. Just imagine what numbers he can put up in a legit defense,

 

[theogt]

Whos aid it made any difference according to position? I can think of 80 billion ways that a guy playing zone coverage regardless of position could make a mistake, physically be unable to get in position or whatever but some guy who can't even see the backend of the seondary on a network broadcast would place the blame elsewhere.

We played a ton of man under with Hamlin playing deep help over the top. I can see in any instance regardless if Hamlin bent the pooch over and plowed in he would not be assigned a target.

The same errors you point out that may apply to one individual will apply to all individuals. When we're talking about thousands of snaps, those errors should even out to a point where they're comparable.

It's basic statistics, kid.

Then there is the whole deviation form STATS issue. In short do us all a favor and quit citing pff as if it means anything whatsoever.

If you actually were smart enough to disprove their statistics, I'd like to see it. Until then, I'll keep using them.

Thanks, though, for the comment.

 

[cowboysfan1025]

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

The same errors you point out that may apply to one individual will apply to all individuals. When we're talking about thousands of snaps, those errors should even out to a point where they're comparable.

It's basic statistics, kid.

If you actually were smart enough to disprove their statistics, I'd like to see it. Until then, I'll keep using them.

Thanks, though, for the comment.

Look, making arbitrary judgement calls on who was targeted on an NFL passing play is not statistical analysis. Its an arbitrary way of generating statistics and noting more.

Additionally, you quoted them so its up to you to qualify them.

I'll give you a couple:

Tackles STATS 152 pff 139 Patrick Willis 9% difference
Passes defended STATS 11 pff 1 Jarius Byrd 167% difference
Sacks given up STATS 5 pff 4 Jared Gaither 22% difference


I already knew the Gaither info and I just picked the top tackler and interceptor for the other two.

pff sucks. this is to be expected as they are amateurs watching network broadcasts.

 

[theogt]

Look, making arbitrary judgement calls on who was targeted on an NFL passing play is not statistical analysis. Its an arbitrary way of generating statistics and noting more.

Additionally, you quoted them so its up to you to qualify them.

I'll give you a couple:

Tackles STATS 152 pff 139 Patrick Willis 9% difference
Passes defended STATS 11 pff 1 Jarius Byrd 167% difference
Sacks given up STATS 5 pff 4 Jared Gaither 22% difference


I already knew the Gaither info and I just picked the top tackler and interceptor for the other two.

pff sucks. this is to be expected as they are amateurs watching network broadcasts.

Your posts read like a high school kid. Honestly, it's hilarious to watch you try to make these arguments. You're completely clueless as to how out of your league you are. It's eye-opening that someone like yourself could be college-educated. "Educated" is such a loose term.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your posts read like a high school kid. Honestly, it's hilarious to watch you try to make these arguments. You're completely clueless as to how out of your league you are. It's eye-opening that someone like yourself could be college-educated. "Educated" is such a loose term.

Hopefully you didn't drive yourself home this time and took a cab or something. Drunk driving is illegal.

I see you cannot argue the point you just want to talk about my formatting. And trust me you and your finance background are pretty much meaningless in the context of this discussion. Nice bluster though.

 

[dbair1967]

Imagine Atogwe on this defense with Ware,Spencer,Newman,Jenkins and James.

He puts up numbers on the Rams with all those Googlers. Just imagine what numbers he can put up in a legit defense,

If he can get healthy, I think he'd be a good add as well, especially if we didnt have to break the bank to get him.

I'm still holding strong to my Earl Thomas wish on draft day, though I know getting him where we pick is unlikely. But Atogwe would be a nice stop gap.

 

[dbair1967]

I tend to agree with you. I don't know enough about Atogwe to have a strong opinion on him, but without doing a ton of research on it, it seems to me that the "he has no one around him" argument tends to be way overdone.

I do think that Spagnuolo is a pretty smart defensive coach, so I'd wonder why he'd let this guy get away.

I've said this a few times myself since the discussion on him began, its a legit concern. It could be that the shoulder is a huge issue though.

The guy makes plays, and thats something we sorely lack at safety. But if his shoulder is going to fall apart the first times he nails somebody, he'd be of no use to us.

 

[theogt]

Hopefully you didn't drive yourself home this time and took a cab or something. Drunk driving is illegal.

I see you cannot argue the point you just want to talk about my formatting. And trust me you and your finance background are pretty much meaningless in the context of this discussion. Nice bluster though.

I can certainly argue any point with you -- trust me, you make it very easy. The problem is you won't actually recognize the argument because of your ADD. Most people grow out of that after high school. But then, your lack of doing so fits with your overarching teenager-like MO, doesn't it? You're too cool to be bothered by things like spelling, grammar and coherent thought. In reality, it's laziness. The same laziness that keeps you from actually reading the posts you reply to keeps you from formulating precise thoughts that are relevant to the conversation and transferring them in a correct manner to screen. Lazy and arrogant is a dangerous combination.

 

[casmith07]

The other thread got derailed and I will leave it at that.

Essentially, the issues are as such and of course say whatever I missed.

Atogwe is a RFA FS of the Rams. He will be 29 years when the season starts, runs a 4.52 40 and measures at 5'11" and 218 lbs.

Over the course of the past two seasons he has gotten 7 interceptions and three years ago he had 8. Hes also forced 9 fumbles the past two years. This is playing for a bad Rams team that has no pass rush and not much talent. They had 25 sacks and 8 picks last year.

I am thinking that he would do better with better talent around him.

The man has talent and creates turnovers in spades. I would like to know more specific information regarding his coverage skills. 5 PD doesnt tell me much. Can he single cover for example.

He was given the lowest tender this offseason by the Rams. If they decline to match the offer sheet then they get nothing in return. Jerry doesnt seem to be the kind of guy that will perform the poison pill routine so there would probably need to be a trade or there is another way.

Because the Rams offered him the lowest tender, after June 1 if they do not sign him then he is a UFA that can sign with anyone. This is interesting because the man was injured and finished the season on IR.

He injured his shoulder. Now the report says that he dislocated his shoulder. What the report does not say is that he torn his labrum aka his rotator cuff. Now shoulder injuries are problematic and right now I don't know if he can pass a physical but he missed 4 games this year but he played full seasons the previous 3.

I personally feel that if the man can pass a physical we need to get all over him. We would either need to wait 2 and a half months or work out a deal with the Rams but the first wave of FA is over and the injury will also bring the price down.

To all those out there wondering, this is how you compose an argument in favor of a signing.

I'm against bringing him in, but when you put it this way, I can realistically see how he could help the team.

I'd rather have Darren Sharper despite his age and because his injury history is relatively short and doesn't include a shoulder, which is a defensive player's best weapon.

Good post, Fuzzy.

 

[theogt]

To all those out there wondering, this is how you compose an argument in favor of a signing.

I'm against bringing him in, but when you put it this way, I can realistically see how he could help the team.

I'd rather have Darren Sharper despite his age and because his injury history is relatively short and doesn't include a shoulder, which is a defensive player's best weapon.

Good post, Fuzzy.

Actually, I tend to agree with the conclusion, but it's horribly written (in desperate need of an editor) and offers little persuasive argument in favor of signing the guy.

Quality over quantity. Just because it's a long post, doesn't mean it's a good one.

 

[gmoney112]

Quality over quantity. Just because it's a long post, doesn't mean it's a good one.

That's what she said.

 

[Silverstar]

Rather draft a safety at this point and there are plenty to choose from...

FS
Eric Berry - Tennessee 6-0 211 4.47
Earl Thomas - Texas 5-10 208 4.48
Taylor Mays - Southern California 6-3 230 4.32
Nate Allen - South Florida 6-1 207 DNP
Morgan Burnett - Georgia Tech 6-2 209 DNP
Major Wright - Florida 6-0 206 4.48

SS
Darrell Stuckey - Kansas 6-0 205 4.48
Chad Jones - LSU 6-2 221 4.57
Reshad Jones - Georgia 6-1 214 4.60
T.J. Ward - Oregon 5-11 211 4.58
Kam Chancellor - Virginia Tech 6-3 231 4.64
Larry Asante - Nebraska 6-0 212 4.68

FS?
Chris Cook - Virginia 6-2 212 4.46
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - Indiana (PA) 6-0 207 4.47
Myron Lewis - Vanderbilt 6-2 203 4.48

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually, I tend to agree with the conclusion, but it's horribly written (in desperate need of an editor) and offers little persuasive argument in favor of signing the guy.

Quality over quantity. Just because it's a long post, doesn't mean it's a good one.

This is ad hominem and you cannot argue the point. pff data deviates statistically significantly from the accepted values from the professionals that use the best sources to obtain their information.

By doing so you are for all intents and purposes admitting that pff is a terrible source.

Quite frankly you fail to give any examples of my writing style being difficult to understand, poorly written or anything quite frankly. This is obviously just you flailing around trying to make me look bad. You got drunk once again and spouted off.

This is the type of behavior I expect from adolescent males or Michael Silver. Brave, theo, bravo.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually, I tend to agree with the conclusion, but it's horribly written (in desperate need of an editor) and offers little persuasive argument in favor of signing the guy.

Quality over quantity. Just because it's a long post, doesn't mean it's a good one.

You sad little man.

You're going to criticize me for editing on a message board? and then call me arrogant?

 

[theogt]

This is ad hominem and you cannot argue the point.

You sad little man.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You miss the point. I went on to argue the point and reiterate the others that you just ignore because you have no rebuttal for.

I am done with this discussion. Its pretty obvious that anyone paying attention to the stats that pff is very very off especially with their coverage statistics.

 

[theogt]

You miss the point. I went on to argue the point and reiterate the others that you just ignore because you have no rebuttal for.

I am done with this discussion. Its pretty obvious that anyone paying attention to the stats that pff is very very off especially with their coverage statistics.

No, you completely miss the point. You think you went on to argue the point, but your argument is empty. Your argument is incomplete and riddled with logic issues such that it's no more than just laying words on paper and hoping it counts as an argument. You're too lazy to actually make an attempt at a real argument.

And of course you're done with the discussion. You weren't going anywhere with it form the start. You've just ground yourself into a hole and have nowhere to go.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You claim my arguments are empty but in all of this you cannot come with one example of poor writing or logical inconsistencies.

Whatever, theo you are so utterly weaksauce.