A. Rodgers = Q. Carter?

[adbutcher]

Rodgers has the accuracy that Carter only wished he had.

Running a "West Coast" type of offense isn't easy. Bledsoe couldn't do it
in Buffalo and I doubt Quincy had the capability to do it either.

That is very true. However, you would think that after 3 plus years he would have the progression down more.

I can't wait until I go home to night to see whether or not what Madden said holds any truth to it.

 

[adbutcher]

Honestly AB I think a lot of QB's in the NFL are taught this way, we as fans
just don't hear about it often.

I heard that the offensive coordinator for the Titans has cut the field down to 1/8th for Vince Young.

I think that is true for most rookie QBs but for someone who was in the playbook for 3 seasons? I am just saying that I smell a rat and if he starts to decline remember you heard it hear first. And if he goes to the prowbowl I will disavow my aforementioned comments.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree about the level of talent that surrounds Rodgers. However, my point that I poorly articulated is this. He is limited to reading one side of the field in an offense that he had been in for more then 3 years, what does that say about his ability as a QB?

I don't know if this is a matter of how the offense is designed to flow or if this was simply a game plan thing. Often, especially with young QBs, when a team faces a defense that can really bring it, they limit the reads a young QB can make because they don't want him to take bad plays. IE, you have a certain amount of progressions and if it's not there, then get rid of the football. I was actually fairly impressed with Rodgers, under the circumstances. I mean, considering that was something like the 4th game he started in the NFL, I think he did well. That's a tough spot for a young QB to be in. I think he might end up being a pretty good QB for them eventually.

 

[zrinkill]

Rodgers > Campbell = Quincy

Not even close.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Quincy smokes better weed.

 

[Martice]

I agree Rodgers looks more talented. Lets see how he looks with a few training camps and seasons under his belt.

2-1, Heck Quincy had us at 5-1 at one point right? :laugh1:

Yep and Quincy used to jump and pass the ball just like Aaron did against us the other night. So far, Aaron has done anything to make me feel he is better than QC overall. I remember when QC had Madden gushing all over him on that Monday night game against the Giants. I remember when we had to beat the Eagles in order to get into the playoffs one year and Quincy made the plays he had to get us the win.

Yeah QC had his negatives but Aaron still hasn't done anything yet to put him above QC or any other QB on that level.

Although he appears to be more accurate than QC at this point, let's see where Aaron is at the end of the year.

 

[adbutcher]

Quincy smokes better weed.

Can't argue that.

 

[adbutcher]

I don't know if this is a matter of how the offense is designed to flow or if this was simply a game plan thing. Often, especially with young QBs, when a team faces a defense that can really bring it, they limit the reads a young QB can make because they don't want him to take bad plays. IE, you have a certain amount of progressions and if it's not there, then get rid of the football. I was actually fairly impressed with Rodgers, under the circumstances. I mean, considering that was something like the 4th game he started in the NFL, I think he did well. That's a tough spot for a young QB to be in. I think he might end up being a pretty good QB for them eventually.

ABQ, I don't know but you can limit the amount of reads without restricting it to one side of the field. I just got the impression from Madden that someone in the Packers organization relayed that information to him because he mentioned it more then once like it was a good thing.

The jury is still out on him but even though he has shown flashes I'm not convinced that he will be anything better then a Midwest system QB.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

In his first three starts he's already proven himself to be far and away better than Quincy and better than half the guys starting in this league right now.

No, I don't agree at all.

 

[adbutcher]

Rodgers <= Campbell > Quincy

Not even close.

Fixed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

ABQ, I don't know but you can limit the amount of reads without restricting it to one side of the field. I just got the impression from Madden that someone in the Packers organization relayed that information to him because he mentioned it more then once like it was a good thing.

The jury is still out on him but even though he has shown flashes I'm not convinced that he will be anything better then a Midwest system QB.

You can, but in a WC offense, you try to take advantage of flooding zones with receivers. Your progressions are usually based on timing so, it would make some sense that they work one side of the field as opposed to creating a lot of footwork by making the progressions run from one side of the field to the other. It almost defeats the purpose of why you are limiting the reads. But again, I don't know that this was the case at all. For all I know, it could be a simple matter of not being able to master the offense completely. The WCO is a fairly difficult offense to run so you may be right there.

I don't know, time will tell. It is not easy to follow a HOF QB anywhere. My guess would be that it will be tough for Rodgers as well. But, he does have a pretty good team around him. We will see what happens.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Me too. Now there are three Quincy Carter's? This sounds like a Wayans brothers movie.

 

[adbutcher]

You can, but in a WC offense, you try to take advantage of flooding zones with receivers. Your progressions are usually based on timing so, it would make some sense that they work one side of the field as opposed to creating a lot of footwork by making the progressions run from one side of the field to the other. It almost defeats the purpose of why you are limiting the reads. But again, I don't know that this was the case at all. For all I know, it could be a simple matter of not being able to master the offense completely. The WCO is a fairly difficult offense to run so you may be right there.

I don't know, time will tell. It is not easy to follow a HOF QB anywhere. My guess would be that it will be tough for Rodgers as well. But, he does have a pretty good team around him. We will see what happens.

Excellent points.

The only thing that will work against him would be when (and we know it is a matter of time) the D coordinators start taking away his initial reads and force him to improvise. I will be curious to see how he adjusts.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yep and Quincy used to jump and pass the ball just like Aaron did against us the other night. So far, Aaron has done anything to make me feel he is better than QC overall. I remember when QC had Madden gushing all over him on that Monday night game against the Giants. I remember when we had to beat the Eagles in order to get into the playoffs one year and Quincy made the plays he had to get us the win.

Yeah QC had his negatives but Aaron still hasn't done anything yet to put him above QC or any other QB on that level.

Although he appears to be more accurate than QC at this point, let's see where Aaron is at the end of the year.

Aaron is more a prototypical type QB.

QC was never anything more than a hybrid QB.

Aaron >>> Quincy

 

[Don Corleone]

I honestly thought Leftwhich would be a QC

Leftwich made a manwich out QC and ate him. Jeez that dude is fat. Before he was drafted, I predicted that he would eat his way out of the NFL.

 

[Don Corleone]

Jeez, people that are bashing the OP for making the comparison need to settle down. I thought the same thing when Madden made the comment about Rodgers ony reading half the field.

The difference is that QC was doing that well beyond is first couple of years, and Rodgers is doing that now, his first full year as a starter.

This type of QB play is easy to defend if the QB favors one side of the field vs. another, or if certain formations telegraph which side of the field he will favor. The defense can take away those reads and force the QB to improvise, often resulting in disaster.

 

[cowboys2233]

Jeez, people that are bashing the OP for making the comparison need to settle down. I thought the same thing when Madden made the comment about Rodgers ony reading half the field.

The difference is that QC was doing that well beyond is first couple of years, and Rodgers is doing that now, his first full year as a starter.

Then maybe you and the OP can explain to me how on the long pass to Driver, he was clearly scanning the left side of the field first, only to come back to the right and throw a pass to Driver, who had broken clear on a stop-and-go route?

Maybe you can explain to me why Hamlin was cheating toward the middle of the field if Rodgers didn't draw him that way with his eyes?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Aaron Rogers doesn't remind me of Quincy Carter at all.

Even though he got to sit for 3 years, this is Aaron Roger's first year starting, so they still want to bring him on slowly and let him build his confidence up.

Also, Aaron Rogers is way better at avoiding turnovers and he is much more accurate than Quincy Carter.

However, I still believe Quincy Carter had talent to play at the NFL leve. He has huge mental problems and the last thing he needed was to be starting his rookie season. They should have brought the guy along slowly just like they are doing with Aaron Rogers.

 

[jobberone]

I didn't see him being limited to one side of the field. Like someone mentioned, I think he may limit his hot reads to half the field which isn't that unusual esp for a QB in their first year as starter.

Rodgers is a pretty good QB. And that's one reason why they didn't want Favre back. Rodgers will never be as talented as Favre but he may be better at winning. Perhaps I should say better at not losing.

 

[Don Corleone]

Then maybe you and the OP can explain to me how on the long pass to Driver, he was clearly scanning the left side of the field first, only to come back to the right and throw a pass to Driver, who had broken clear on a stop-and-go route?

Maybe you can explain to me why Hamlin was cheating toward the middle of the field if Rodgers didn't draw him that way with his eyes?

This hardly means that he only reads half the field on every single play or formation. There are plenty of examples of QC doing the same thing in his day. In 2002, against the Titans in week 2, I recall a play where he scanned the entire field, rolled to right, and threw across his body to a wide open receiver for a TD on the left side.

Madden would only make that comment if it came from Rodgers or someone else within the Packers organization. He is a bit old and borderline senile, but he doesn't make stuff up.