A Touch of Hostility... Week4

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CowboyMike;2992647 said:
The ball was high and Marshall is simply bigger. They both went up for it at the same time, they both played it the same way, and the timing was good. I've look at that about three or four times. Marshall was simply taller and got the ball over Newman's hand by about eight inches.

Good stuff, Hos. As usual, I agree with everything you've said.


I agree thats what I saw on the replays. But someone mentioned that Marshall pulled Newman down prior? true?
 

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Double Trouble;2992604 said:
I think a more realistic possibility than Denver is really good is that Dallas isn't very good.

Denver is not that good they will go 8-8 maybe 9-7...That defense, that offense and those plays they run are just about as average as they get. And yet the Cowboys that have all these so called great players cannot score more then 10 points.

I give the Broncos credit for winning I guess...But more then anything our coaching staff and our pathetic Effort on offense was the reason we lost.

And to make it worse romo doesnt look like He's improving:rolleyes: ....His confidence looks Shot. I used to think benching Him wuld be a good idea, but after seing his game I think a benching would shatter his already brittle confidence and ruin his career.

No choice but to stick it out and hopefully he turns it around.
 

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I dont see how anyone who saw the Broncos offense play can say they are a "very good" football team. I am willing to them credit for taking advantage of Dallas' ineptness but I refuse to believe that Dallas played any where need as well as they are capable of playing. That is the part that needs to be figured out because Wade and Garrett arent getting it out of them.

Garrett's great game plan was to attack Champ Bailey 16 times? At the first sign of trouble Garrett completely abandons the run. Its week 4 and WRs are still running the wrong routes, ala Miles Austin on the int. This isnt a new WR he has been in Dallas for a while now, no excuse for the mental mistakes. Witten is used as a blocker when he is Romo's security blanket and the key to the passing game. The strategy and adjustments in this game were mind blowing, Garrett is not putting this offense in position to be successful.
 

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I love the team and haven't missed a game in years, but as you get older you start to realize that you can't live and die on every win/loss. It's just a game.

I'm terribly disappointed in this team because I expected better. At the moment, this looks like an 8-8 team. I'll still be there, in my Cowboys jersey, watching every game. But like you, I refuse to get emotionally upset with every loss.

It is, however, time to lower our expectations, Hos. This team is in a world of trouble. Right now, we should be hoping this team clears Kansas City and rights the ship during the bye week.

Key among those things that need to be fixed is our captain Romo, he seems to have both a confidence problem and a mechanics problem. I don't know what Garrett has been whispering in his ear. The Giants' game clearly spooked him, but the way he laid out Roy Williams really gets me.

I refuse to believe that the way Tony played in 2007 was a mere illusion. This problem can be fixed, but it might take time that we don't have.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;2992751 said:
We had the same problems under Bill and there is no way someone will say he is soft as Wade in practice or preparation.

So although the HC and other coaches do bear the responsibility. I think most of it has to go straight to the top. You have a hard nosed coach that does a great job in his first season with the team, you have a soft players coach that does great with the team his first year...both see the teams go downhill after that while someone still sits at the top as Owner, GM and President.

We have went through numerous coaches and players since our last superbowl or playoff win, we have the same Owner, GM and President.

To be fair your comparing apples and oranges. Parcells was still building the team. he played half a season with a legitimate qb and healthy offensive line. Wade has had a complete team since day one.

Its an entirely different ballgame. Let parcells and that staff have this team or what it matured into in 07 for a full year and that would be an equal comparison, but we will never have that.

Nor will we ever have a football guy at the top like parcells.

and thus the middle of the road results, leading to middle of the draft selections, leading to getting cute and trading all over, leading to middle of the road results.

We are in a painful cycle it appears. And unfortunately we have some outsanding players.
 

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You do have to give credit to Denver. Their defense showed up.

But it was just like that Giants game...despite the errors, the turnovers.... Dallas *STILL* had a chance and came up short. That killer attitude just isn't there. I think you said it well about them being on cruise control.
 

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Id rather see Dallas lose a few games early and fix the problems down the road instead of another year coming out hot and fizzle at the end.

I think Ray Sherman has got to be re evaluated and our receivers have got to stop swievling their heads looking for the pursuers.

I FULLY feel Garret needs be talked to and that sling pass to the receiver play should start costing him 2 grand every time its used. THe play has failed to work and yet they still call it.

Want to fix the offense, simple. GO BACK TO THE BASICS. its working for the Giants.

Where is this 2 TE sets we hear about but yet our TE's arent being used a lot?

Who doesnt love Tashard Choice?

Jenkins has proved he has it.

Why is Wade Wilson still with the team?

I personally feel either Campo or Brett Maxie needs to be fired to make the coaches understand no job is safe.
 

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theebs;2992804 said:
To be fair your comparing apples and oranges. Parcells was still building the team. he played half a season with a legitimate qb and healthy offensive line. Wade has had a complete team since day one.

Its an entirely different ballgame. Let parcells and that staff have this team or what it matured into in 07 for a full year and that would be an equal comparison, but we will never have that.
To be honest, I don't think Parcells and his staff take this team to 13-3 in 2007. Parcells would never have opened up the offense the way Garrett did that year. He was about ball control football, and games decided by field goals. How quickly we forget.

What Parcells brought was consistency, preparedness and discipline. While he probably takes the 2007 team to 11-5 instead of 13-3, they probably beat the Giants and go on to the Superbowl. They certainly would have done better than 9-7 last year.

But I'm not buying into this being about coaching. If Tony is more accurate yesterday, if he takes a few more shots down field, if he makes one or two plays that he normally makes, we win this game - possibly going away.

This week, it's all about Tony. And it should be.
 

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TheSkaven;2992827 said:
To be honest, I don't think Parcells and his staff take this team to 13-3 in 2007. Parcells would never have opened up the offense the way Garrett did that year. He was about ball control football, and games decided by field goals. How quickly we forget.

What Parcells brought was consistency, preparedness and discipline. While he probably takes the 2007 team to 11-5 instead of 13-3, they probably beat the Giants and go on to the Superbowl. They certainly would have done better than 9-7 last year.

But I'm not buying into this being about coaching. If Tony is more accurate yesterday, if he takes a few more shots down field, if he makes one or two plays that he normally makes, we win this game - possibly going away.

This week, it's all about Tony. And it should be.

I disagree.

Bill Parcells only had Tony Romo for half a season. All the other Quarterbacks, were either ones he couldn't trust or washed up veterans.

Besides, I believe he did open it up quite a bit when Vinny and Bledsoe were here. Heck, the reason he benched Bledsoe is because he kept throwing interceptions.

If Tony Romo doesn't botch the snap, we probably get our first playoff win in quite some time.
 

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So the spin is ... oh Denver is better than i thought!

BS. They have a good defense, but come on. Their offense is one of the worst in the league.

Cowboys killed themselves...again.

Romo was horrible.

WRs are some of the worst in the league.
 

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Everlastingxxx;2992869 said:
So the spin is ... oh Denver is better than i thought!

BS. They have a good defense, but come on. Their offense is one of the worst in the league.

Cowboys killed themselves...again.

Romo was horrible.

WRs are some of the worst in the league.

When the Giants and the Eagles trash the Broncos, we won't hear about how they were better than we thought again. The Commanders might even beat them because I doubt that make the mistakes needed to lose to that abysmal team.
 

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I'm telling you guys, there is something wrong with Romo. I started this after watching him play against NY. I said it again last week but he managed the game very well last week and so, it was not as pronounced. Yesterday, the same thing. This guy has lost his accuracy and it's not about the pressure. Yeah, he gets pressure and that's understandable but he's missing guys that are open when he's not seeing the pressure. There is something wrong with him. everything is behind and high.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2992928 said:
I'm telling you guys, there is something wrong with Romo. I started this after watching him play against NY. I said it again last week but he managed the game very well last week and so, it was not as pronounced. Yesterday, the same thing. This guy has lost his accuracy and it's not about the pressure. Yeah, he gets pressure and that's understandable but he's missing guys that are open when he's not seeing the pressure. There is something wrong with him. everything is behind and high.

something wrong physically? perhaps it's the NFL. deal with it players/coaches.

something wrong mentally? without question.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2992928 said:
I'm telling you guys, there is something wrong with Romo. I started this after watching him play against NY. I said it again last week but he managed the game very well last week and so, it was not as pronounced. Yesterday, the same thing. This guy has lost his accuracy and it's not about the pressure. Yeah, he gets pressure and that's understandable but he's missing guys that are open when he's not seeing the pressure. There is something wrong with him. everything is behind and high.

You think he is still hurt form the many many injuries he had last year?
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2992928 said:
I'm telling you guys, there is something wrong with Romo. I started this after watching him play against NY. I said it again last week but he managed the game very well last week and so, it was not as pronounced. Yesterday, the same thing. This guy has lost his accuracy and it's not about the pressure. Yeah, he gets pressure and that's understandable but he's missing guys that are open when he's not seeing the pressure. There is something wrong with him. everything is behind and high.

Yep, it's called a "lack of confidence".

Tony Romo isn't hurt and he has put up big numbers this season.

I think the underwhelming Head Coach, the media and the fans are really starting to have an effect on Tony Romo.

I wish Bill Parcells would have stuck around a little bit longer to give Tony Romo some structure and further help him handle the "pressures" of being an NFL Quarterback.

Jerry Jones better get Cowher, Dungy, Holmgren or somebody like that in here quick or he is going to lose his Quarterback.

I believe it is a "confidence" issue and it is only going to get worst until Garrett and Phillips are gone.

When Jerry Jones hired Wade Phillips, it was all about fixing the defense. The next hire should be all about helping Tony Romo.

Get Cowher in here now!!!
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2992928 said:
I'm telling you guys, there is something wrong with Romo. I started this after watching him play against NY. I said it again last week but he managed the game very well last week and so, it was not as pronounced. Yesterday, the same thing. This guy has lost his accuracy and it's not about the pressure. Yeah, he gets pressure and that's understandable but he's missing guys that are open when he's not seeing the pressure. There is something wrong with him. everything is behind and high.


I dont know.

I would like to add. It seems that Romo has been throwing behind the receivers for some time. Since day one.

No, I am not saying he ALWAYS did. I just have seen him do it with some regularity.
 

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Sorry Hos I still think Denver is a mirage, not horrible, but not very good. A Kyle Orton lead team should not win many games. Two key plays allowed them to hang around and changed all momentum. The pick by Romo to Austin after getting that gift turnover. The other was the Romo fumble after sack which got them their first TD. This team as it always does, killed itself. A Peyton Manning led team puts up 35 on Denver in Denver.
 

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RS12;2992985 said:
Sorry Hos I still think Denver is a mirage, not horrible, but not very good. A Kyle Orton lead team should not win many games. Two key plays allowed them to hang around and changed all momentum. The pick by Romo to Austin after getting that gift turnover. The other was the Romo fumble after sack which got them their first TD. This team as it always does, killed itself. A Peyton Manning led team puts up 35 on Denver in Denver.

The most painful part is that our "Top 5" QB was outplayed in every way by Orton. That's just painfully sad.
 

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The more I think about the loss, the more I can't get over it.

I can't get over the fact that BOTH Denver TDs came on passes that should have been intercepted. That absolutely kills me.

Wade gets ripped for his D after every loss, but this was 100% on the players. He is expected to put this D in position to make plays, and he did that. Spencer and Newman HAVE to make those plays when they're available. They let Wade down today.

Sensabaugh dropped a pick earlier in the game as well.

Meanwhile, the ONE errant throw that a Denver DB had any sort of decent shot at picking off, is picked off by Champ Bailey on a ridiculous catch. (Understand that I'm not saying Tony only threw one errant pass, but that he only threw one that a Denver DB was in position to pick off)

And I can't get over the fact that a dazzling play by Romo (the 4th and 3 completion to Hurd) was all for naught, as we got all the way down to the 3 and couldn't freakin' punch it in.

Two slants to Hurd with Champ Bailey on him? Either bad play calls (if they were the 1st option) or bad decisions by Tony.
 
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