AB whines again

[Tio]

I have a question for you, woudl you rather have a WR who's willing to learn what to do to be a great WR(obvisouly they weren't teaching this in Cleavand...no wonder the suck) Or a WR who is gonna throw Jeresy in your coaches face becausea WR was brought in to help and mentor you in becoming a great WR.

way to slant things. I sware, you seem to put a positice light on anything cowboys lately. I just don't think AB will be better, but after watching morgan this season, I know.

 

[dargonking999]

way to slant things. I sware, you seem to put a positice light on anything cowboys lately. I just don't think AB will be better, but after watching morgan this season, I know.

i never knew 1 season wait hlaf a season made or break a WR abilty for his entire career

BTW the way those are facts not slants

 

[Juke99]

I have a question for you, woudl you rather have a WR who's willing to learn what to do to be a great WR(obvisouly they weren't teaching this in Cleavand...no wonder the suck) Or a WR who is gonna throw Jeresy in your coaches face becausea WR was brought in to help and mentor you in becoming a great WR.

I think your question is a bit black and white.

Sure, I'd love to have a WR who's gonna come in and learn something in order to be great. Morgan doesn't have the potential to be great. The fact that he doesn't have the athletic ability to simply position his hands instinctively, speaks volumes. Try it. Face the invisible QB as if you were on the right side of the field and position your right hand over your left. Feels natural, yes? Now, face the other way and put leave your right hand over your left so that everything you catch is the equivalent of being backhanded. Pretty basic stuff for a guy who is PAID to do one thing and one thing only, catch the ball. That's Pee Wee League football stuff.

The more accurate question is, who would you rather have, "Morgan or Bryant"?

I'd rather have Bryant. I'd roll the dice on his ability...

If Bryant was a "thug" it would be a different story. He's been a nuisance, not a thug.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Me too. Coles is a talent, when he is in the right offense, and porter is just studly. T has been productive, but ab, a dominating wr in college with loads of potential, is 23-24 i think. Terry won't be very productive for very long.

Age does matter, Tio. That's why the whole AB thing is so very disappointing.

But someone will step up, and a talent at least as good as AB's is on the horizon..."poor" wideout draft class in '06 or not, he's a'comin...

 

[dargonking999]

I think your question is a bit black and white.

Sure, I'd love to have a WR who's gonna come in and learn something in order to be great. Morgan doesn't have the potential to be great. The fact that he doesn't have the athletic ability to simply position his hands instinctively, speaks volumes. Try it. Face the invisible QB as if you were on the right side of the field and position your right hand over your left. Feels natural, yes? Now, face the other way and put leave your right hand over your left so that everything you catch is the equivalent of being backhanded. Pretty basic stuff for a guy who is PAID to do one thing and one thing only, catch the ball. That's Pee Wee League football stuff.

The more accurate question is, who would you rather have, "Morgan or Bryant"?

I'd rather have Bryant. I'd roll the dice on his ability...

If Bryant was a "thug" it would be a different story. He's been a nuisance, not a thug.

Does those problems speak about the player or the coach? They had to have seen that, but yet they didnt try adn change it, to me MOrgan has some potential, maybe not as much as Bryant, but i'd rather get a player who is gonna work and be good, then roll the dice on a player who may or may not be great depending if he wants to or not

 

[Alexander]

OK..so do you think it's possible to actually respond to what I posted rather that what you interpret (incorrectly)

Let's review.

I wrote, I'd take Bryant over Morgan (you know, the guy who has to learn to change the position of his hands when catching a ball) in a second.

I didn't say he's a hall of fame receiver.

Geezlouise.

You would rather have Antonio Bryant than Morgan because he is more talented then?

The fact that Coach Parcells tried his best with him but decided to rid himself of a problem should mean more.

You may not think he is the next Irvin, but do you think that we overestimated Morgan or simply just got what we could for a big pain in the rear?

Beggers cannot be choosers. If we did not trade Bryant, we would have had to cut him eventually.

Morgan might not have been the best in trade, but I think some people thought either we were getting an elite talent in exchange for what we thought was an elite talent in Antonio Bryant and are disappointed.

LTN said it best early in this thread. Anyone who watched Morgan in the Cleveland game should not have been expecting great things. And I don't think our braintrust was either. We got what we could.

In essence, we traded a talented third WR with baggage for one with less talent but also less emotional baggage. Just because Bryant has potential, it does not mean he will ever fulfill it. Morgan also has flaws and potential he needs to fulfill.

People expected instant results. That is pure impatience.

Before we write Morgan off, let's give him a season to show what he can do if he prepares and knows his role. If he does not turn a corner and somehow Bryant does, then we can rue the trade.

 

[Juke99]

Does those problems speak about the player or the coach? They had to have seen that, but yet they didnt try adn change it, to me MOrgan has some potential, maybe not as much as Bryant, but i'd rather get a player who is gonna work and be good, then roll the dice on a player who may or may not be great depending if he wants to or not

That's fine...I respect that...just a difference of opinion.

 

[Zaxor]

ROFL!


But AB...he can't hold T's jock strap.

Ah LTN I wouldn't want to hold his jock strap either..

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'd rather have Bryant. I'd roll the dice on his ability...

If Bryant was a "thug" it would be a different story. He's been a nuisance, not a thug.

We did roll the dice on Bryant, and we crapped out. How long do you keep trying on a guy? Five years? Eight years? At some point, you have to say enough is enough, and that's what Parcells did.

And it's more than a "nuisance" when a guy freelances routes, throws constant temper tantrums, and maybe even won't come out of a game when he's asked to.

And BTW, I don't think it's such a slam dunk on getting the hands right when catching. I'm right handed, and if a pass is coming to my left, I instinctively put my right hand above my left (unless the pass is very low) because I don't feel as comfortable with the left hand "blocking" the ball (for lack of a better term) when the left hand is on top. Sure, Morgan is a professional and he should have had this addressed at some point, but sometimes coaches, especially poorer ones, don't fix every small flaw in talented players.

 

[Kittymama]

Wow! Other than the (in)famous QC, apparently you can stir up a hornet's nest with a posting about AB as well. I even have been scolded in one posting (same as for my post about QC, just from a different source this time). Guess we can still tell who the "hot button" guys are.

Yes, I'll stick with my claim that he's whining--griping about how many coaches he's had, well that's life dude. Some players manage to live with that & get the job done. I'm not denying he has talent. Whether he makes anything of it--well, we'll see. I will say with him, just as I did with Q, that I wish him luck. Hopefully he'll grow up & live up to his potential.

 

[Juke99]

You would rather have Antonio Bryant than Morgan because he is more talented then?

The fact that Coach Parcells tried his best with him but decided to rid himself of a problem should mean more.

You may not think he is the next Irvin, but do you think that we overestimated Morgan or simply just got what we could for a big pain in the rear?

Beggers cannot be choosers. If we did not trade Bryant, we would have had to cut him eventually.

Morgan might not have been the best in trade, but I think some people thought either we were getting an elite talent in exchange for what we thought was an elite talent in Antonio Bryant and are disappointed.

LTN said it best early in this thread. Anyone who watched Morgan in the Cleveland game should not have been expecting great things. And I don't think our braintrust was either. We got what we could.

In essence, we traded a talented third WR with baggage for one with less talent but also less emotional baggage. Just because Bryant has potential, it does not mean he will ever fulfill it. Morgan also has flaws and potential he needs to fulfill.

People expected instant results. That is pure impatience.

Before we write Morgan off, let's give him a season to show what he can do if he prepares and knows his role. If he does not turn a corner and somehow Bryant does, then we can rue the trade.

Great post.

Parcells choosing to dump Bryant doesn't mean much to me other than that I think Parcells simply no longer has the patience to deal with problem children as he did in the past.

I didn't expect great things from Morgan. I knew exactly what we were getting.

And I think we can never rue the trade because there is validity to your statement that Bryant was gonna be gone, one way or the other. So, at least we got something in return.

Often a guy like Bryant needs to get a boot in the backside before he realizes his potential. This might be the case for Bryant. He put up good numbers last year. Whether or not that was a fluke, we're about to find out.

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[Charles]

Wow! Other than the (in)famous QC, apparently you can stir up a hornet's nest with a posting about AB as well. I even have been scolded in one posting (same as for my post about QC, just from a different source this time). Guess we can still tell who the "hot button" guys are.

Yes, I'll stick with my claim that he's whining--griping about how many coaches he's had, well that's life dude. Some players manage to live with that & get the job done. I'm not denying he has talent. Whether he makes anything of it--well, we'll see. I will say with him, just as I did with Q, that I wish him luck. Hopefully he'll grow up & live up to his potential.

Good post.........

 

[Charles]

You would rather have Antonio Bryant than Morgan because he is more talented then?

The fact that Coach Parcells tried his best with him but decided to rid himself of a problem should mean more.

You may not think he is the next Irvin, but do you think that we overestimated Morgan or simply just got what we could for a big pain in the rear?

Beggers cannot be choosers. If we did not trade Bryant, we would have had to cut him eventually.

Morgan might not have been the best in trade, but I think some people thought either we were getting an elite talent in exchange for what we thought was an elite talent in Antonio Bryant and are disappointed.

LTN said it best early in this thread. Anyone who watched Morgan in the Cleveland game should not have been expecting great things. And I don't think our braintrust was either. We got what we could.

In essence, we traded a talented third WR with baggage for one with less talent but also less emotional baggage. Just because Bryant has potential, it does not mean he will ever fulfill it. Morgan also has flaws and potential he needs to fulfill.

People expected instant results. That is pure impatience.

Before we write Morgan off, let's give him a season to show what he can do if he prepares and knows his role. If he does not turn a corner and somehow Bryant does, then we can rue the trade.

Outstanding post

I just hope we come out on the winning side of this deal.

I think some of us might overestimate Bryant's potential and abilities because he was one of the few players that showed some flashes during those horrible years.

Great post again.

 

[Juke99]

We did roll the dice on Bryant, and we crapped out. How long do you keep trying on a guy? Five years? Eight years? At some point, you have to say enough is enough, and that's what Parcells did.

And it's more than a "nuisance" when a guy freelances routes, throws constant temper tantrums, and maybe even won't come out of a game when he's asked to.

And BTW, I don't think it's such a slam dunk on getting the hands right when catching. I'm right handed, and if a pass is coming to my left, I instinctively put my right hand above my left (unless the pass is very low) because I don't feel as comfortable with the left hand "blocking" the ball (for lack of a better term) when the left hand is on top. Sure, Morgan is a professional and he should have had this addressed at some point, but sometimes coaches, especially poorer ones, don't fix every small flaw in talented players.

Ya mean like Keyshawn?

How many times did even the announcers point out that he broke off routes with the result being an INT?

I don't consider what Morgan was doing a "small flaw".

Parcells gave up on Bryant after having him for one season.

Again, my point was simply, I'd take him over Morgan. I'm not saying Bryant is the next Jerry Rice...I'm simply saying, I think he's hands down (pun intended) better than Morgan.

Ya know, I'm also saying I'd take Bledsoe over Vinny.

It ain't exactly a compliment.

 

[dargonking999]

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Parcells gave up on Bryant after having him for one season.

1 and a HALF

 

[Juke99]

Wow! Other than the (in)famous QC, apparently you can stir up a hornet's nest with a posting about AB as well. I even have been scolded in one posting (same as for my post about QC, just from a different source this time). Guess we can still tell who the "hot button" guys are.

Yes, I'll stick with my claim that he's whining--griping about how many coaches he's had, well that's life dude. Some players manage to live with that & get the job done. I'm not denying he has talent. Whether he makes anything of it--well, we'll see. I will say with him, just as I did with Q, that I wish him luck. Hopefully he'll grow up & live up to his potential.

This would be a good post if it was accurate.

I'd hardly say that saying I'd take Bryant over Morgan is "hornet's nest" material...or that this is a "hot button"

If anything, you are the one who is taking it to extremes.

If I said "Bryant is a great receiver and letting him go is the biggest mistake we ever made"..then I'd understand your perspective.

As I said earlier, I'd take Bledsoe over Testaverde...whoopee...that's not saying Bledsoe is a great QB.

I'd also take the a bad cold over the flu.

Context dear, context.

 

[Juke99]

1 and a HALF

Schmuck. :laugh1:

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I'd also take the a bad cold over the flu.

And THAT, is AB vs Morgan in the proverbial nutshell.

 

[Juke99]

And THAT, is AB vs Morgan in the proverbial nutshell.

Thank you, Musie.

 

[Tio]

I have a question for you, woudl you rather have a WR who's willing to learn what to do to be a great WR(obvisouly they weren't teaching this in Cleavand

you spin not knowing how to catch a ball as willingness to learn. THat is definately a slant..