According to a giants board, Phil Simms ripped Romo...

[YosemiteSam]

Funny ole Simms said Bledsoe was as close to Jesus in cleats as you can get...but Bledsoe couldn't get the job done with the same weapons and the same oline and the same defense

Bledsoe's problem isn't that he doesn't have the talent, but now age is attacking his physical ability. His physical ability was limited in the first place.

 

[SultanOfSix]

To say "A product of the system" is in a since an ambiguous term. It actually does apply. First off, he spent 4 years in Dallas and learned. That makes him a product of the system. Also, if you have play making receivers, it makes it a lot easier to make plays. He isn't playing with Ron Brown and Stepfred Williams. If he had those receivers, it would make a world of difference. Having great play makers is also a product of the system.

It's only an an ambigous term because people use it in the wrong ways. From what I understand, being a "product of the system" implies that a QB is only successful because of the system that he's playing in. In other words, he can only be successful as a "West Coast QB" only, or in a "run and shoot" offense only, and not in another system, such as a "pro-style" offense. The problem with this reasoning is that you can't make this determination unless he's actually tried to participate in other QB systems and have failed. And this isn't applicable to Romo.

A QB can only throw to receivers that are open. If he can't make plays to guys like Ron Brown or Williams, it's because they aren't open, not because he can't succeed in the system. This doesn't make him a product of the system, because this fact applies to every QB.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It's only an an ambigous term because people use it in the wrong ways. From what I understand, being a "product of the system" implies that a QB is only successful because of the system that he's playing in. In other words, he can only be successful as a "West Coast QB" only, or in a "run and shoot" offense only, and not in another system, such as a "pro-style" offense. The problem with this reasoning is that you can't make this determination unless he's actually tried to participate in other QB systems and have failed. And this isn't applicable to Romo.

A QB can only throw to receivers that are open. If he can't make plays to guys like Ron Brown or Williams, it's because they aren't open, not because he can't succeed in the system. This doesn't make him a product of the system, because this fact applies to every QB.

See, that would be more in then since of: Brett Farve and Steve Young passed for huge numbers and Troy Aikman who easily had the best arm combined with perfect mechanics did not. Troy's numbers were a product of the Pro Style offense that Dallas ran vs the West Coast Offesne both Young and Farve played in. The fact that Farve and Young played in the West Coast Offesne didn't make them better QBs, but it did allow them to put up more numbers.

Steve Young and Brett Farve both could have flurished in a Pro Style offense, but they didn't play in one. Troy could have put up Marino type number or better if he played in a West Coast Offense. Troy Aikman was truly a wonderboy in his mechanics, physical makeup, intelligents, and the ability he had in his quickness of read and react.

The offense "system" didn't effect how good a QB he actually was... Though, having Michael, Emmitt, Jay, and an incredible offensive line helped!!!

 

[The Duke]

"System qb" label is typically reserved for West Coast offense and Run and Shoot. Spread the WRs out pass happy offenses are supposed to be easy to rack up numbers in with more attempts and shorter safer throws like slants and drags that also have a better chance to run after the catch and rack up easy yards. It's a slam because Andre Ware and Klingsbury from U of Houston proved not so great QBs can look great in the system.

Dallas is a regular pro style offense. It simply does not apply.

 

[starfrombirth]

In my opinion, the best throw I have seen him make. I stood up out of my chair when I saw him set to make the throw because I knew it had to be deep down the field based on what you could see on the screen. He did a fantastic job. The kid has great mechanics and he's smart as well as accurate.

Steve Young said that he has only known 3 0r 4 QB's who could have made that throw. Knowing how much of a hater that Young is I take that as high praise indeed.

 

[Hostile]

Steve Young said that he has only known 3 0r 4 QB's who could have made that throw. Knowing how much of a hater that Young is I take that as high praise indeed.

I agree with Young on that one. I further think only 2 of them could have placed it that perfectly.

 

[EGTuna]

Giants fans may be referencing Phil Simms' comments from this past Sunday's pre-game radio show "The NFL Now with Mike Francessa". Francessa has Simms on every Sunday morning after the 9:30am break, and this past week, Francessa asked Phil what he thought of Romo.

Phils comments were not necessarily ripping Romo, but he did indeed say that the offense took out a lot of stuff (didn't really say what) when Romo became the starter, and also that "they" (meaning the coaches I guess) make the reads real easy for Romo. He did say that Romo was taking advantage of a good system for him, and that he plays with a confidence that winners have.

 

[ringmaster]

Phil Simms is a great analyst, but he's off base here. if a QBs first read is open, why wouldn't the QB throw that read the ball? That's stupid. We have good weapons who can get open.

I quit discussing QB mechanics on this forum because some posters take offense so easily and get stupid about it. I see something in Tony Romo that I have not heard anyone else talking about. Let me explain or at least try to.

Too many people see a QBs helmet move and call that a "read" that he's reading the field. That isn't a "read" it's a "look." Reading the options involves more than just the head turning, the QBs feet must also be moving so he can set and his hips and shoulders must turn in that direction. It's about proper mechanics.

No QB can have his feet, hips and shoulders squared to the right and throw back left with accuracy. It cannot be done. Someone will say John Elway could throw back across his body and so can Brett Favre. But before they make those throws they turn their upper torso to square to that target. It's freakish how they do that.

What does this have to do with Tony Romo? Quite simply this kid makes great reads and he moves his feet, sets his hips and shoulders and is always in line to make an accurate throw. It is beautiful how well he does this. I have not been this impressed with a QBs sound mechanics on that aspect of the game in years. He is making 3 and 4 progression reads every game and faster than most QBs I've ever seen.

One more thing that I mentioned to a poster yesterday in a PM. Watch the kid when he scrambles out of the pocket. He never takes his eyes off of upfield. That is fantastic. It means he is always looking to make hsi reads.

Phil Simms is simply wrong on this one. Dead wrong.

What is it Hos, with some people and systematic QBs to me Phil Simms, didn't say those kinds of things that is just the Giants fans angry over what Romo, Witten, and Gramatica did to them screw them.

There is nothing wrong with that label "system qb" because it applies to every QB, in all fazes of organized football no matter how hard some media, and fans alike try and compare QBs statistics whose better than who blah blah blah.

The most important thing is the true skill of the QB, and it doesn't matter what talent the QB, has around him but the thing that gets me the most when fans, and media people blames the QB, for his success like the QB, asked the GM, of the team he plays for to draft or sign him.

In Romo's case there is now way he would've known that the Cowboys, would draft Witten, JJ, MB3, or signed T.G., or T.O. after that Tony, is no Nostradamus.

There has been this same debate about Troy Aikman, for years when fans, and media people said the same things about him and some of us know that he had the skills to play in any offense in the NFL, while he didn't have the mobility of Tony, he had superb pass accuracy an important prerequisite for any QB, and some people to this day still doesn't give him the credit he deserves when I watched Troy, he made me really appreciate the QB position alot more.

Tony, is a joy to watch he goes through his progressions much like Troy did in his prime and is accurate with the ball in the pocket, and on the run also so that stuff Strahan, was saying that Romo, isn't good in the pocket is ridiculous that 42 yd pass to Jason Witten, between two defenders was a thing of beauty not too many QBs, even with the strongest arm wouldn't attempt that kind of a pass to his left side like that.

Good points as always Hos.

 

[ZeroClub]

Phil Simms is a great analyst, but he's off base here. if a QBs first read is open, why wouldn't the QB throw that read the ball? That's stupid. We have good weapons who can get open.

I quit discussing QB mechanics on this forum because some posters take offense so easily and get stupid about it. I see something in Tony Romo that I have not heard anyone else talking about. Let me explain or at least try to.

Too many people see a QBs helmet move and call that a "read" that he's reading the field. That isn't a "read" it's a "look." Reading the options involves more than just the head turning, the QBs feet must also be moving so he can set and his hips and shoulders must turn in that direction. It's about proper mechanics.

No QB can have his feet, hips and shoulders squared to the right and throw back left with accuracy. It cannot be done. Someone will say John Elway could throw back across his body and so can Brett Favre. But before they make those throws they turn their upper torso to square to that target. It's freakish how they do that.

What does this have to do with Tony Romo? Quite simply this kid makes great reads and he moves his feet, sets his hips and shoulders and is always in line to make an accurate throw. It is beautiful how well he does this. I have not been this impressed with a QBs sound mechanics on that aspect of the game in years. He is making 3 and 4 progression reads every game and faster than most QBs I've ever seen.

One more thing that I mentioned to a poster yesterday in a PM. Watch the kid when he scrambles out of the pocket. He never takes his eyes off of upfield. That is fantastic. It means he is always looking to make hsi reads.

Phil Simms is simply wrong on this one. Dead wrong.

You've probably posted this way about Romo in other threads that I've missed, but I'm impressed.

The man who openly worships in the church called "Our Lady of The Immaculate QB of Perfection" is beginning to measure Romo for a cleric's robe.

Good for you.

Thanks also for the technical analysis. It is a good read.

 

[Hostile]

You've probably posted this way about Romo in other threads that I've missed, but I'm impressed.

The man who openly worships in the church called "Our Lady of The Immaculate QB of Perfection" is beginning to measure Romo for a cleric's robe.

Good for you.

Thanks also for the technical analysis. It is a good read.

Thanks. I used to talk about mechanics a lot more, but all it ever led to was nonsense by some who didn't like what I had to say.

I've mentioned on dcfanatic's radio show and a couple of threads about how Romo makes reads with his entire body. I have not previously mentioned how he keeps his eyes downfield.

You watch him closely, the only time he looks the defender in the eyes is when he's about to juke him right out of his shoes.

 

[Hostile]

What is it Hos, with some people and systematic QBs to me Phil Simms, didn't say those kinds of things that is just the Giants fans angry over what Romo, Witten, and Gramatica did to them screw them.

There is nothing wrong with that label "system qb" because it applies to every QB, in all fazes of organized football no matter how hard some media, and fans alike try and compare QBs statistics whose better than who blah blah blah.

The most important thing is the true skill of the QB, and it doesn't matter what talent the QB, has around him but the thing that gets me the most when fans, and media people blames the QB, for his success like the QB, asked the GM, of the team he plays for to draft or sign him.

In Romo's case there is now way he would've known that the Cowboys, would draft Witten, JJ, MB3, or signed T.G., or T.O. after that Tony, is no Nostradamus.

There has been this same debate about Troy Aikman, for years when fans, and media people said the same things about him and some of us know that he had the skills to play in any offense in the NFL, while he didn't have the mobility of Tony, he had superb pass accuracy an important prerequisite for any QB, and some people to this day still doesn't give him the credit he deserves when I watched Troy, he made me really appreciate the QB position alot more.

Tony, is a joy to watch he goes through his progressions much like Troy did in his prime and is accurate with the ball in the pocket, and on the run also so that stuff Strahan, was saying that Romo, isn't good in the pocket is ridiculous that 42 yd pass to Jason Witten, between two defenders was a thing of beauty not too many QBs, even with the strongest arm wouldn't attempt that kind of a pass to his left side like that.

Good points as always Hos.

Exactly. Every offense is a system. Calling someone a system QB is meant to be an left handed compliment but all it really does is come across as sour grapes.

Are there true "system QBs" where any QB could run it? In my opinion no.

If Romo is a system QB then the system is running flawlessly and I'll take it.

 

[ringmaster]

Exactly. Every offense is a system. Calling someone a system QB is meant to be an left handed compliment but all it really does is come across as sour grapes.

Are there true "system QBs" where any QB could run it? In my opinion no.

If Romo is a system QB then the system is running flawlessly and I'll take it.

Good point again going back to the 90s Cowboys offense when some posters said a while back that any QB, would come in and do what Troy did some went as far to say that Bledsoe, would've won those SBs if he was the QB.

We had Wade Wilson, Jason Garrett, Steve Beuerlien, Rodney Peete, and Bernie Kosar as backups to Aikman would any of those QBs, would've won Dallas a SB, if Troy wasn't there my answer is no.

 

[Hostile]

Good point again going back to the 90s Cowboys offense when some posters said a while back that any QB, would come in and do what Troy did some went as far to say that Bledsoe, would've won those SBs if he was the QB.

We had Wade Wilson, Jason Garrett, Steve Beuerlien, Rodney Peete, and Bernie Kosar as backups to Aikman would any of those QBs, would've won Dallas a SB, if Troy wasn't there my answer is no.

Bledsoe couldn't make the system work. So why is Tony Romo typical of a system QB?

He isn't.

 

[Kangaroo]

UT fans do not and did not hate Chris Simms, we did get very frustrated with him.

Yes they did I know a lot of them that hated him because Applewhite got pulled when he was the better QB (Play wise not talent)

All I heard here in houston was the sarcasm and hate how they called Chris the chosen one. The hate was all over the radio all over the lips of the UT guys at work it was there.

They hated him a lot

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'll take the "system QB" on my team...:laugh2:

 

[DrewBrees2006MVP]

Romo IS a product of the system.....he's doing nothing more than Drew Bledsoe was, except of course not getting sacked 10 times a game.

 

[theebs]

Romo IS a product of the system.....he's doing nothing more than Drew Bledsoe was, except of course not getting sacked 10 times a game.

lol. Please explain this system you speak of.

Please explain the Dallas offense. Please explain its objective and its tendencies.

Then please explain how it is propping up romo.

Then maybe you can critique it, until then go study up because you need some serious nfl classroom time.

 

[jazzcat22]

And said he was a product of "the system" and he just throws to his first read and doesn't check down. Is this true? Did Simms say anything like that about Romo?

Even if he did, I don't believe it. I think Romo is making the reads correctly and checking down when needed.

Well...consider the source and ask yourself.....Is Simms stupid or is Simms dumb. You will find that your answer is....BOTH.

 

[DrewBrees2006MVP]

lol. Please explain this system you speak of.

Please explain the Dallas offense. Please explain its objective and its tendencies.

Then please explain how it is propping up romo.

Then maybe you can critique it, until then go study up because you need some serious nfl classroom time.

Ball Control Offense: Keep games close, run the ball, control the clock, and ask the QB to complete safe dink and dunk passes

 

[SultanOfSix]

Ball Control Offense: Keep games close, run the ball, control the clock, and ask the QB to complete safe dink and dunk passes

Yeah, that 42 yarder on Sunday was a dink and dunk pass. Also, his nine yards per attempt shows he's a dink and dunk passer.