Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[cowboyblue22]

we will be lucky if we even make the play offs in 2015 instead of going through all this drama should of kept murry we don't need to be trading away draft picks for anyone last time we did this didn't work out so well

 

[Idgit]

I totally get not wanting to give up picks for a 30 year old RB. And I get even more not wanting to bind the salary cap for him. I can't believe there are people who are questioning this cat's ability to play RB at the highest level right now. AD is a straight up beast, and there's no reason to think that changed after the ordeal he put himself through last season. He's going to be one of the very best RBs in the league again this year, for somebody. And a better player overall than anybody at his position in this upcoming draft.

 

[Stash]

I totally get not wanting to give up picks for a 30 year old RB. And I get even more not wanting to bind the salary cap for him. I can't believe there are people who are questioning this cat's ability to play RB at the highest level right now. AD is a straight up beast, and there's no reason to think that changed after the ordeal he put himself through last season. He's going to be one of the very best RBs in the league again this year, for somebody. And a better player overall than anybody at his position in this upcoming draft.

But people will tell themselves anything to validate their position.

I'm guilty of it as much as anyone but I do my best to both clarify and support my position, while I don't always get the same from those with an opposing view.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

It seems like only one side of this argument is required to clarify their position - the pro Peterson side.

The other side deals in vague, grey areas, failing to clarify their exact positions.



I wouldn't give up this year's first rounder either.

If the Vikings dig their heels in, they can keep Peterson, the bad feelings, the drama, and the possible withholding of services. And they can also hope that he doesn't suffer any sort of 'injury' after his full $12.75 million in salary is guaranteed Week One.

I'm willing to bet that they don't have the resolve to deal with all of that and I hope the Cowboys are too.

It will be interesting. But its not in APs best interest to sit out a year either. He only has so many years left. I would think he is itching to get back on the field...

So a trade would be good for both Minny and AP. I am not sure how much control AP has when deciding which team he will play for...... If we offer a 3rd but AZ or some other team offers a 2nd and more money for AP, Minny is going to want the better deal. And I would think AP would entertain those offers too.

So I think if AP wants to play this year, he is going to have to play a little with Minnys FO. And I think the Cowboys will have to deal with all that .........

I don't know? Maybe Minny digs their heals in, and then AP does the same and he doesn't play? -- I just don't see that happening....But I could see Minny getting frustrated because AP says no to the better deals.

He is going to get traded, but to who, is where I'm not sure about.....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cowboys-corner-blog/article16694900.html

Even more telling was this quote from vice president Stephen Jones when discussing Murray: “To me, what you can do is be consistent every year like [Hall of Fame running back and NFL rushing king] Emmitt Smith was. You are even more unique if you can do it every year. It’s well documented he was injured every year until this last year.”

Peterson may be the closest thing to Smith when it comes to consistency, and there is no question he is unique in production and skills as the best back in the league.

He is a franchise back. He is the outlier, the exception to the rule, when considering the metrics at running back.

The same is true when it comes to the money. The Cowboys have been disciplined in their approach to free agency, partly because they have limited resources and partly because they have no interest in paying market price for below-market talent.

That doesn’t apply to Peterson, and while they would be challenged to find the money to fit his $12.75 million base salary under the cap, it is not out of the realm of possibility were they able to acquire him in a draft-day trade, a source said.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports...orner-blog/article16694900.html#storylink=cpy

You missed the Peterson discussion yesterday. I see your Emmitt Smith who he is not built like and raise you Marshall Faulk, Jerome Bettis, Gayle Sayers, Marcus Allen, Roger Craig, Floyd Little, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Thurman Thomas, and Earl Thomas all whom were HoF and tanked before age 30. Most of them were down by age 27.

You have Riggins and the three twins and then you have everyone else. The percentages are horrible even for HoF running backs. 4 of 14 is 28%.

Also, I see your fluff emotional piece and raise you:

Running backs get no such benefit of the doubt, nor should they from a strict business sense. Even Minnesota Vikings tailback Adrian Peterson, one of the league's best players at any position, contributed to the curve at age 28 last season. It's true that he had the fifth-most rushing yards (1,266) in the NFL, but he also missed two games and overall fell 40 percent from his 2,097-yard effort in 2012.

He is following the tosb trajectory.

 

[Idgit]

But people will tell themselves anything to validate their position.

I'm guilty of it as much as anyone but I do my best to both clarify and support my position, while I don't always get the same from those with an opposing view.

It is what it is. It'd be a gamble on a superstar RB who's at the tail end of his career. I worry less about given up the equivalent pick we'd give up for a rookie RB as we've just demonstrated the willingness to let them walk at 26-27, anyway. It's the salary commitment that's the risk, and it'd be a significant commitment no matter how you slice it. I don't doubt he's going to be a good player yet. When and if he hits the wall, he may hit it hard, but he hasn't hit it yet.

 

[gmoney112]

You missed the Peterson discussion yesterday. I see your Emmitt Smith who he is not built like and raise you Marshall Faulk, Jerome Bettis, Gayle Sayers, Marcus Allen, Roger Craig, Floyd Little, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Thurman Thomas, and Earl Thomas all whom were HoF and tanked before age 30. Most of them were down by age 27.

You have Riggins and the three twins and then you have everyone else. The percentages are horrible even for HoF running backs. 4 of 14 is 28%.

Also, I see your fluff emotional piece and raise you:



He is following the tosb trajectory.

Solid points. I just think the statistical data for AD at this point is too inconclusive. Given that the 2012 Vikings team was actually pretty good and the 2013 team was absolutely abysmal, there's just too many variables to reasonably conclude that. I'm also not familiar with the quality of teams a lot of those guys ended up on when their projectory shifted downwards. Are there many instances of a HoF going to a team in serious SB contention where the decline is still attributable?

 

[Stash]

It will be interesting. But its not in APs best interest to sit out a year either. He only has so many years left. I would think he is itching to get back on the field...

I expect him to show at some point, but I'm not sure that the Vikings would be getting his very best effort after forcing him to play for them. And I don't believe for a second that the Vikings are OK with paying him the $12.75 million he's due.

So a trade would be good for both Minny and AP. I am not sure how much control AP has when deciding which team he will play for...... If we offer a 3rd but AZ or some other team offers a 2nd and more money for AP, Minny is going to want the better deal. And I would think AP would entertain those offers too.

He has plenty of control over any trade destination as nobody is going to pay him what his current deal calls for. Not us, not Arizona, and in my opinion, not the Vikings either.

So I think if AP wants to play this year, he is going to have to play a little with Minnys FO. And I think the Cowboys will have to deal with all that .........

I don't know? Maybe Minny digs their heals in, and then AP does the same and he doesn't play? -- I just don't see that happening....But I could see Minny getting frustrated because AP says no to the better deals.

He is going to get traded, but to who, is where I'm not sure about.....

If he goes anywhere, he goes to Dallas. Of that, I have no doubt in my mind. There hasn't been this much evidence and this many indicators of him wanting to play for the Cowboys for him to simply agree to a deal that sends him to Arizona.

 

[gimmesix]

I wouldn't give up this year's first rounder either.

If the Vikings dig their heels in, they can keep Peterson, the bad feelings, the drama, and the possible withholding of services. And they can also hope that he doesn't suffer any sort of 'injury' after his full $12.75 million in salary is guaranteed Week One.

I'm willing to bet that they don't have the resolve to deal with all of that and I hope the Cowboys are too.

Since I think a deal will be made during the draft, here's my offer(s):

If we draft a cornerback in the first round, I would call Minnesota and offer them Carr straight up for Peterson, and the Vikings have until the second round begins to accept the offer because we will be looking at running backs in that round. I sincerely doubt the Vikings will get a better offer for a 30-year-old back who missed practically all of last season and will be a bit of a PR headache for whoever trades for him.

If we don't draft a cornerback in the first round, I offer them a fourth-round pick and Morris Claiborne. If they don't want Claiborne, I could be talked into a third-round pick as total compensation.

 

[gmoney112]

Since I think a deal will be made during the draft, here's my offer(s):

If we draft a cornerback in the first round, I would call Minnesota and offer them Carr straight up for Peterson, and the Vikings have until the second round begins to accept the offer because we will be looking at running backs in that round. I sincerely doubt the Vikings will get a better offer for a 30-year-old back who missed practically all of last season and will be a bit of a PR headache for whoever trades for him.

If we don't draft a cornerback in the first round, I offer them a fourth-round pick and Morris Claiborne. If they don't want Claiborne, I could be talked into a third-round pick as total compensation.

And you'd have no chance at landing him. Zero.

You don't think they'll get a better offer than a mediocre CB who's making just a little less than the contract of a HoF RB they're trading away? They'd not only get worse, they'd barely save any cap.

 

[Stash]

You missed the Peterson discussion yesterday. I see your Emmitt Smith who he is not built like and raise you Marshall Faulk, Jerome Bettis, Gayle Sayers, Marcus Allen, Roger Craig, Floyd Little, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Thurman Thomas, and Earl Thomas all whom were HoF and tanked before age 30. Most of them were down by age 27.

You have Riggins and the three twins and then you have everyone else. The percentages are horrible even for HoF running backs. 4 of 14 is 28%.

Also, I see your fluff emotional piece and raise you:



He is following the tosb trajectory.

Does the team he has around him not factor in at all? Did it not also factor in for the other players you're mentioning? Did it not benefit Murray this past year to have the team and talent he had around him? Why is it that only negatives are 'facts' when it comes to Peterson?

He had a year off from wear and tear, but that can only be a bad thing, right?

When people mention Peterson's genetics and athletic ability and him being 'an exception to the rule', it's simply disregarded by some people, when, in fact, it was clearly on display when he not only came back from a major knee injury, but did so to lead the league in rushing but nearly break the all-time mark.

And yet, his accomplishments like that are disregarded, while the history of other running backs is applied to him as 'fact'?

 

[mickswag]

https://instagram.com/p/1lRG4YgLSg/

 

[Stash]

It is what it is. It'd be a gamble on a superstar RB who's at the tail end of his career. I worry less about given up the equivalent pick we'd give up for a rookie RB as we've just demonstrated the willingness to let them walk at 26-27, anyway. It's the salary commitment that's the risk, and it'd be a significant commitment no matter how you slice it. I don't doubt he's going to be a good player yet. When and if he hits the wall, he may hit it hard, but he hasn't hit it yet.

As for me, I'd be fine with the cap hit when he was done just like I am with Romo's. If you drafted properly, you would have his replacement, running behind this line, for a rookie cost.

 

[gmoney112]

I expect him to show at some point, but I'm not sure that the Vikings would be getting his very best effort after forcing him to play for them. And I don't believe for a second that the Vikings are OK with paying him the $12.75 million he's due.



He has plenty of control over any trade destination as nobody is going to pay him what his current deal calls for. Not us, not Arizona, and in my opinion, not the Vikings either.



If he goes anywhere, he goes to Dallas. Of that, I have no doubt in my mind. There hasn't been this much evidence and this many indicators of him wanting to play for the Cowboys for him to simply agree to a deal that sends him to Arizona.

Pretty much how I see it too. Right now, all things considered, Dallas looks like his most likely destination. People say he doesn't have leverage, but he has some. He can simply refuse to re-work his deal, that figure will turn most teams off. He can leverage his way into Dallas by accepting a lower deal (not a McFadden salary, that's just absurd).

Unless a team just doesn't care about the cap figure.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A team would really have to feel like they're on the cusp to trade a 1st rounder for what might be a 2 year rental. I can't really see any team doing it, but there may be a team that's willing to part with a 2nd and it will be higher than our 2nd rounder. I can't remember who all was interested


Solid points. I just think the statistical data for AD at this point is too inconclusive. Given that the 2012 Vikings team was actually pretty good and the 2013 team was absolutely abysmal, there's just too many variables to reasonably conclude that. I'm also not familiar with the quality of teams a lot of those guys ended up on when their projectory shifted downwards. Are there many instances of a HoF going to a team in serious SB contention where the decline is still attributable?

You can say it is all inconclusive. At the end of the day his career arc looks like the position average peaking at 27 with a decline.

 

[speedkilz88]

And you'd have no chance at landing him. Zero.

You don't think they'll get a better offer than a mediocre CB who's making just a little less than the contract of a HoF RB they're trading away? They'd not only get worse, they'd barely save any cap.

No other team is going to offer picks with that current salary and he isn't going to agree to a new salary unless it is to the team he chooses.

 

[superonyx]

https://instagram.com/p/1lRG4YgLSg/

Thanks Bud......Now I feel even worse about this Cookie Dough Iced Coffee I am sitting at my desk drinking.

Time to jump on the treadmill......

In the future please only post pictures of offensive linemen who weigh over 300 lbs....

 

[JoeBoBBY]

If he goes anywhere, he goes to Dallas. Of that, I have no doubt in my mind. There hasn't been this much evidence and this many indicators of him wanting to play for the Cowboys for him to simply agree to a deal that sends him to Arizona.

I hope you're right and I agree overall. And the only other place I see him as a fit, realistically, is AZ. They need help on offense desperately. With AP running the ball and that Defense, I am sure they are thinking of a Super Bowl run.

I put myself in Minnys shoes. And one offer is significantly better then the other. AP gets his wish of a new start, Minny gets something for their trouble, everybody should be happy...... And AP says no to the deal.

If I am in that Minny FO , I am getting more then POffed.

 

[Stash]

Pretty much how I see it too. Right now, all things considered, Dallas looks like his most likely destination. People say he doesn't have leverage, but he has some. He can simply refuse to re-work his deal, that figure will turn most teams off. He can leverage his way into Dallas by accepting a lower deal (not a McFadden salary, that's just absurd).

And we still have to question the validity of Adam Caplan's statement of the Vikings' asking price. It was a huge statement to say the Vikings would entertain trading him at all and I would have expected someone more closely connected to the team to have gotten that information.

I wonder if that isn't yet another example of an ESPN employee throwing out speculation disguised as fact in an effort for more attention.

But, if it is true, it's the first clear indicator that they're willing to move on. And usually, once that happens, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Unless a team just doesn't care about the cap figure.

Even if they didn't (say the Raiders), shouldn't they be worried about him showing up to work for a team that's worse than the one he doesn't want to play for now?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Does the team he has around him not factor in at all? Did it not also factor in for the other players you're mentioning? Did it not benefit Murray this past year to have the team and talent he had around him? Why is it that only negatives are 'facts' when it comes to Peterson?

He had a year off from wear and tear, but that can only be a bad thing, right?

When people mention Peterson's genetics and athletic ability and him being 'an exception to the rule', it's simply disregarded by some people, when, in fact, it was clearly on display when he not only came back from a major knee injury, but did so to lead the league in rushing but nearly break the all-time mark.

And yet, his accomplishments like that are disregarded, while the history of other running backs is applied to him as 'fact'?

If it factors then make a case for it. All you are doing is begging the question which is not an argument.

I know for example with Marcus Allen they made a much publicized decisions to cut back on his carries because he was getting too beat up. Sanders and Brown both had their OL intact when they bailed. The 49ers were still winning SB with Rickey Watters when Craig went tosb.

I am not discounting his past achievements. His run at Dickerson's record was amazing. Dickerson did better and still tanked. A year off doesn't hurt but a year older certainly does. Cannot run from biology.