Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[Cowboys22]

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The two situations aren't comparable and Dallas did file a complaint...

And again, when you got plenty of baby-mammas and demands for money keep coming in, it doesn't matter whether you choose to sit out for a while or not. The team doesn't have to budge.

A complaint that has gone nowhere. AD has plenty of money. The team doesn't have to budge but they will when its time to use a roster spot for a disgruntled player that they have to pay $12 million. Especially if that player is playing games with an injury or simply not giving his all.

 

[Stash]

I hope you're right and I agree overall. And the only other place I see him as a fit, realistically, is AZ. They need help on offense desperately. With AP running the ball and that Defense, I am sure they are thinking of a Super Bowl run.

Sure, on paper that looks good, but there's not one factor that the Cardinals have that Dallas doesn't surpass, and if Peterson is going this far to get out, I have every reason to believe he's willing to go farther in order to reach his 'dream scenario'.

I put myself in Minnys shoes. And one offer is significantly better then the other. AP gets his wish of a new start, Minny gets something for their trouble, everybody should be happy...... And AP says no to the deal.

If I am in that Minny FO , I am getting more then POffed.

I'm sure they are, its insulting already when your best player doesn't want to play for you.

But they're a second class team, a second class organization, and a 'have not' among the 'have's'. It's insult to injury to have to trade your best player away to one of the 'have's' and I wouldn't expect them to like it one bit. But, in big picture terms, I think it makes more sense long term to move on and not let emotion cloud your judgment.

Get something in return for him and get a ridiculous contract off of your books at the same time. Draft a quality young back to grow with your young quarterback and use whatever draft picks you get wisely to continue to build.

 

[JoeKing]

He has plenty of control over any trade destination as nobody is going to pay him what his current deal calls for. Not us, not Arizona, and in my opinion, not the Vikings either.

You are forgetting about Oakland that does have the money to pay him what he is making now in Minny. They are a strong threat to the Cowboys getting AP.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Since I think a deal will be made during the draft, here's my offer(s):

If we draft a cornerback in the first round, I would call Minnesota and offer them Carr straight up for Peterson, and the Vikings have until the second round begins to accept the offer because we will be looking at running backs in that round. I sincerely doubt the Vikings will get a better offer for a 30-year-old back who missed practically all of last season and will be a bit of a PR headache for whoever trades for him.

If we don't draft a cornerback in the first round, I offer them a fourth-round pick and Morris Claiborne. If they don't want Claiborne, I could be talked into a third-round pick as total compensation.

Playing Madden.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Sure, on paper that looks good, but there's not one factor that the Cardinals have that Dallas doesn't surpass, and if Peterson is going this far to get out, I have every reason to believe he's willing to go farther in order to reach his 'dream scenario'.



I'm sure they are, its insulting already when your best player doesn't want to play for you.

But they're a second class team, a second class organization, and a 'have not' among the 'have's'. It's insult to injury to have to trade your best player away to one of the 'have's' and I wouldn't expect them to like it one bit. But, in big picture terms, I think it makes more sense long term to move on and not let emotion cloud your judgment.

Get something in return for him and get a ridiculous contract off of your books at the same time. Draft a quality young back to grow with your young quarterback and use whatever draft picks you get wisely to continue to build.

And I do think thats the rational way to go. The rational way it will play out....

 

[Stash]

If it factors then make a case for it. All you are doing is begging the question which is not an argument.

All of these examples of decline you provide also suffered under an exodus of talent around them. Emmitt lost Irvin and Aikman in back to back years, to say nothing of the loss and decline of the offensive line in front of him. Those are huge factors in the productivity and lack thereof for any running back.

Walter Payton basically carried the Bears offense and he was still highly productive into his '30's.

Many 'special backs' have been productive into their '30's and I think the vast majority of people asked would place Peterson squarely in that category. And, again, he doesn't have all of the wear and tear he would have at age 30 either, considering he barely played last year. I put that in the 'plus' column.

I know for example with Marcus Allen they made a much publicized decisions to cut back on his carries because he was getting too beat up. Sanders and Brown both had their OL intact when they bailed. The 49ers were still winning SB with Rickey Watters when Craig went tosb.

I am not discounting his past achievements. His run at Dickerson's record was amazing. Dickerson did better and still tanked. A year off doesn't hurt but a year older certainly does. Cannot run from biology.

I would ask you, from a physical perspective, genetics etc. Would you not consider Peterson a superior blend of the positive attributes you look for in a running back over nearly every one of these running backs?

In terms of being the complete package, I think it's tough to beat the tools that Peterson brings to the table, even among the all-time greats.

 

[gimmesix]

And you'd have no chance at landing him. Zero.

You don't think they'll get a better offer than a mediocre CB who's making just a little less than the contract of a HoF RB they're trading away? They'd not only get worse, they'd barely save any cap.

That's fine. Then I draft a running back.

Minnesota needs a starting corner. We've got one who we want to take a pay cut, which would help us pay Peterson's salary. The Vikings think they can get a better offer. If they do, then more power to them.

But no, I don't think they'll get a better offer. I think they will get a Randy Moss-type offer because Peterson is on the wrong side of the age equation and has a DM issue hanging over his head.

 

[Stash]

You are forgetting about Oakland that does have the money to pay him what he is making now in Minny. They are a strong threat to the Cowboys getting AP.

I'm not forgetting them. I'm disregarding them. While they can afford to pay his current salary, they can't afford to have to deal with the same issue Minnesota is. Why would Peterson campaign so aggressively to get out of Minnesota, but then simply show up for work under the same contract to a significantly worse team?

He would clearly be getting shafted, and sent to finish out his career in obscurity, playing for nothing, with no chance of winning anything. The Raiders offered Murray more money than anyone else, but he was smart enough to not want to get killed running behind that line.

In some cases, teams are so bad that money cant buy you out of it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All of these examples of decline you provide also suffered under an exodus of talent around them. Emmitt lost Irvin and Aikman in back to back years, to say nothing of the loss and decline of the offensive line in front of him. Those are huge factors in the productivity and lack thereof for any running back.

Walter Payton basically carried the Bears offense and he was still highly productive into his '30's.

Many 'special backs' have been productive into their '30's and I think the vast majority of people asked would place Peterson squarely in that category. And, again, he doesn't have all of the wear and tear he would have at age 30 either, considering he barely played last year. I put that in the 'plus' column.



I would ask you, from a physical perspective, genetics etc. Would you not consider Peterson a superior blend of the positive attributes you look for in a running back over nearly every one of these running backs?

In terms of being the complete package, I think it's tough to beat the tools that Peterson brings to the table, even among the all-time greats.

You asked about the RB who failed and then all you do is talk about he ones that succeeded. You are all over the place. I just pointed out how several of the guys that failed did not see said exodus. Payton and Emmitt are the exceptions and have very similar builds: low cut and short. AP is high cut and tall and has had a major injury.

I get that you want to fixate on the positive and I agree that Peterson has a good chance -not remotely a certainty- that he will play at a high level relative to the rest of the NFL. The question of when he hits his wall is a matter of when and not if. It may have been like many other great backs and been last year but we didn't see it because he sat out. It may be like Curtis MArtin and the 28% and be in his thirties but it is coming and may already be here.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Exactly right now imo this team has four areas of strength. OL, QB, LB, WR.....it's pretty clear imo the direction the draft should take.

That has been very clear for a long time - improve the pass rush.

 

[gimmesix]

Playing Madden.

No, playing smart GM.

Peterson wants out. The Vikings know it and every team in the league knows it. Not every team in the league is interested and those that are don't want to give up any premium picks for a 30-year-old back with issues.

The question is what are the teams interested willing to give up. My bet is nothing higher than a third.

I see getting a starting cornerback as better than getting a third-round pick. I see getting a former first-round pick and a fourth better than getting a third, but that one could be argued since Claiborne has been a bust up to this point.

I also think Carr is thought more highly of in the league than he is on this board.

 

[Stash]

You asked about the RB who failed and then all you do is talk about he ones that succeeded. You are all over the place.

Didn't you ask me to make a case? If not, I misunderstood what you were referring to.

I just pointed out how several of the guys that failed did not see said exodus. Payton and Emmitt are the exceptions and have very similar builds: low cut and short. AP is high cut and tall and has had a major injury.

An injury he not only came back from, but came back amazingly from! But somehow, that is disregarded and the only factor is that he had an injury. Which, I guess he can never truly recover from because it will always be a knock against him, no matter how well he's performed since.

I get that you want to fixate on the positive and I agree that Peterson has a good chance -not remotely a certainty- that he will play at a high level relative to the rest of the NFL. The question of when he hits his wall is a matter of when and not if. It may have been like many other great backs and been last year but we didn't see it because he sat out. It may be like Curtis MArtin and the 28% and be in his thirties but it is coming and may already be here.

It certainly can't be ruled out. It will happen at some point, but I prefer to take my chances on a player whose physical traits and work ethic are without question and quite possibly without equal. At least in my opinion.

 

[tyke1doe]

Never underestimate the stubbornness of men, football teams and franchises. I'm convinced more and more that if the Vikings don't get a great deal (in terms of trade) for AP, they're going to tell him either come back and sit. And they're going to let him sit. He doesn't collect any money if he doesn't report.
I know many posters think they're going to take a bag of chips for him, but I think they'll let him sit out the year than shortchange themselves on a deal or practically give him to the Cardinals or the Cowboys - two NFC teams in contention for the Super Bowl last year and, even moreso, this year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Didn't you ask me to make a case? If not, I misunderstood what you were referring to.



An injury he not only came back from, but came back amazingly from! But somehow, that is disregarded and the only factor is that he had an injury. Which, I guess he can never truly recover from because it will always be a knock against him, no matter how well he's performed since.



It certainly can't be ruled out. It will happen at some point, but I prefer to take my chances on a player whose physical traits and work ethic are without question and quite possibly without equal. At least in my opinion.

So now a knee injury that requires major reconstruction is a good thing? Emmitt, Sweetness, and Martin didn't get hurt at all like that early in their careers. Martin's career ended with a knee injury which only serves to underscore the point.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

No, playing smart GM.

Peterson wants out. The Vikings know it and every team in the league knows it. Not every team in the league is interested and those that are don't want to give up any premium picks for a 30-year-old back with issues.

The question is what are the teams interested willing to give up. My bet is nothing higher than a third.

I see getting a starting cornerback as better than getting a third-round pick. I see getting a former first-round pick and a fourth better than getting a third, but that one could be argued since Claiborne has been a bust up to this point.

I also think Carr is thought more highly of in the league than he is on this board.

I would agree. But AZ has me worried. If I had to bet, if i had too.....I would think they offer more then a 3rd.

 

[JohnnyCulbreth]

 

[gmoney112]

That's fine. Then I draft a running back.

Minnesota needs a starting corner. We've got one who we want to take a pay cut, which would help us pay Peterson's salary. The Vikings think they can get a better offer. If they do, then more power to them.

But no, I don't think they'll get a better offer. I think they will get a Randy Moss-type offer because Peterson is on the wrong side of the age equation and has a DM issue hanging over his head.

They'll get a better offer than a mediocre CB who's making about 10mill a season. They'll draft a CB before they trade AD for Carr.

Randy Moss was a complete headcase, that's why he got the offer he did.

 

[Stash]

So now a knee injury that requires major reconstruction is a good thing?

I think his amazing recovery and production afterwards, is a good thing. He not only came back quicker than anyone else ever, but he had better production than most everyone ever! How is that not a testament to his being a special talent?

Emmitt, Sweetness, and Martin didn't get hurt at all like that early in their careers. Martin's career ended with a knee injury which only serves to underscore the point.

I have to ask, do you put any of those players - even Emmitt - on the same level as Peterson in terms of their all-around physical gifts?

Peterson not only came back from his injury, he came back better than ever.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

and the plot thickens....... That tells me, AP has no desire to play in Minny..... They aint doing that. Which is what most of us have guessed months ago....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think his amazing recovery and production afterwards, is a good thing. He not only came back quicker than anyone else ever, but he had better production than most everyone ever! How is that not a testament to his being a special talent?



I have to ask, do you put any of those players - even Emmitt - on the same level as Peterson in terms of their all-around physical gifts?

Peterson not only came back from his injury, he came back better than ever.

Physical gifts and what happens when you age are two completely different topics. tosb is otw. It is a huge risk as much as you want to ignore it to get your name.