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I would agree. But AZ has me worried. If I had to bet, if i had too.....I would think they offer more then a 3rd.

Then let them. It's not likely we'll get an Adrian Peterson-type back in the first or second round if we have to draft one, but the probability of us hitting on a starter is high enough to take that shot IMO over giving up one of those picks for a 30-year-old back. It's all about cost for me. If it takes a third or less, where the probability of drafting a starter goes down significantly, then it's worth it. Anything more is too high IMO.
 
You missed the Peterson discussion yesterday. I see your Emmitt Smith who he is not built like and raise you Marshall Faulk, Jerome Bettis, Gayle Sayers, Marcus Allen, Roger Craig, Floyd Little, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Thurman Thomas, and Earl Thomas all whom were HoF and tanked before age 30. Most of them were down by age 27.

You have Riggins and the three twins and then you have everyone else. The percentages are horrible even for HoF running backs. 4 of 14 is 28%.

Also, I see your fluff emotional piece and raise you:



He is following the tosb trajectory.

I'm jumping on this because correction is needed, Fuzzy. I watched Gale Sayers play. He was my childhood hero.

He blew out his knee on a hit by 49er DB Kermit Alexander in game 10 of the '68 season - at the time he was averaging 6.2 ypc and leading the NFL in rushing. Despite prehistoric surgical techniques by today's standards, Sayers returned to lead the NFL in rushing the following season. Sayers ran a 9.5 100 yd dash at Kansas and, except for Jim Brown, I have seen every great NFL running back of the past six decades, and of those, none was as electrifying as Sayers (not even Barry, IMO). He did not tank out by age 30. He never was the same after a devastating injury and never had a run of longer than 28 yd after his first knee injury. He retired in 1970 at the age of 27 (IRIC). Gale was known for not so much his straight line speed - and he was blazing fast - but for his ability to accelerate and cut on a dime. Shredded knee ligaments, not age, robbed him of his greatest God-given abilities.

Jim Brown retired at age 29 after posting the 2nd most productive season of his nine-year career. He had over 1500 yd and 17 TD in 14 games. He left in his prime. He hardly tanked out by age 30.

At ages 29 and 30, Emmitt had 700+ touches for 3000+ yd from scrimmage, scored 28 TD and had seven fumbles. And this was at a time when the Cowboys' 90s dynasty was clearly in decline, if not free fall. He was not the Emmitt of 91-95, but he hardly tanked.

Barry rushed for 2053 yd at age 29 and had a combined 4100+ yd from scrimmage at ages 29-30. He retired at 30 after just missing another 1500 yd season by nine yards. He had Walter Payton's career record in his sights, and barring serious injury, was a lock to reach it. Hardly tanking, IMO.

Walter Payton had over 7800 YdScm, including nearly 6000 yd rushing between ages 29 and 32. I watched his entire career, and at 32 he was still punishing bigger LBers. Walter finally "tanked" at 33 when Neil Anderson took over the brunt of rushing duties for the Bears.

Also, Allen, Craig, Bettis and Thomas were all fine backs, but none were as good as Adrian Peterson. Allen had great longevity and was a very versatile overall back (as was Craig), but Peterson is head and shoulders over those guys (IMO) and why I did not address any of them above.

If you want to make the argument (along with others on this thread) that Peterson is ready for AARP benefits then at least back it up with facts. If you don't want Peterson in a Cowboys uniform, that's fine. You are as much entitled to your opinion as I am of mine.

I've watched the careers of Walter Payton and Adrian Peterson. Walter was 5'10" 205 lb, was probably the most physical back of his era (or at the least, was second only to Earl Campbell), and had the heart of a lion. Peterson, at 6'1" 217 lb, is almost as physical at Walter was (I do stress "almost"), more explosive in his cuts and faster than Walter, and, like Walter, is a warrior, plays all-out every down and in incredible physical condition.

Because I see some of Walter's traits in him, I do believe Peterson has two more great years left in him. I think he can do great things behind the Cowboys O-line, which is probably the best run-blocking line in football and, for the first time in his career, with a top tier QB in the same backfield.

I watched Dorsett play at Pitt, Campbell at Texas, the constant train of great USC running backs from the late 60s through the 70s, and I saw all of the NFL greats from Sayers' rookie year forward. Adrian Peterson belongs in that rarified air with the best of all-time. IMO, Peterson is somewhere between no. 7 and no. 9 among the greatest RBs ever. I think, at 30, he will give the Cowboys much more than Gordon or Coleman or Ajayi or anyone else at 22, including Gurley when his knee is healed. I don't see Peterson tanking in 2015, and certainly not behind what is developing into the best run blocking line in the past 20 years.
 
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They'll get a better offer than a mediocre CB who's making about 10mill a season. They'll draft a CB before they trade AD for Carr.

Randy Moss was a complete headcase, that's why he got the offer he did.

Moss had issues, but Peterson has his own issues. I think if the Vikings can get a starting corner AND be able to not have to use a premium pick on the position that they would take that, if it's the best offer on the table.

But I don't think they keep Peterson no matter what, so they are going to eventually take the best offer. They could surprise me, though, and keep him at almost $13 million despite the fact that his agent has made it clear he doesn't want to be there.
 
Even in the Bears Super Bowl season, Payton was a shell of the great runner he had once been.
 
I'm jumping on this because correction is needed, Fuzzy. I watched Gale Sayers play. He was my childhood hero.

He blew out his knee on a hit by 49er DB Kermit Alexander in game 10 of the '68 season - at the time he was averaging 6.2 ypc and leading the NFL in rushing. Despite prehistoric surgical techniques by today's standards, Sayers returned to lead the NFL in rushing the following season. Sayers ran a 9.5 100 yd dash at Kansas and, except for Jim Brown, I have seen every great NFL running back who of the past six decades, and of those, none was as electrifying as Sayers (not even Barry, IMO). He did not tank out by age 30. He never was the same after a devastating injury and never had a run of longer than 28 yd after his first knee injury. He retired in 1970 at the age of 27 (IRIC). Gale was known for not so much his straight line speed - and he was blazing fast - but for his ability to accelerate and cut on a dime. Shredded knee ligaments robbed him of his greatest God-given abilities.

Jim Brown retired at age 29 after posting the 2nd most productive season of his nine-year career. He had over 1500 yd and 17 TD in 14 games. He left in his prime. He hardly tanked out by age 30.

At ages 29 and 30, Emmitt had 700+ touches for 3000+ yd from scrimmage, scored 28 TD and had seven fumbles. And this was at a time when the Cowboys' 90s dynasty was clearly in decline, if not free fall. He was not the Emmitt of 91-95, but he hardly tanked.

Barry rushed for 2053 yd at age 29 and had a combined 4100+ yd from scrimmage at ages 29-30. He retired at 30 after just missing another 1500 yd season by nine yards. He had Walter Payton's career record in his sights, and barring serious injury, was a lock to reach it. Hardly tanking, IMO.

Walter Payton had over 7800 YdScm, including nearly 6000 yd rushing between ages 29 and 32. I watched his entire career, and at 32 he was still punishing bigger LBers. Walter finally "tanked" at 33 when Neil Anderson took over the brunt of rushing duties for the Bears.

Also, Allen, Craig, Bettis and Thomas were all fine backs, but none were as good as Adrian Peterson. Allen had great longevity and was a very versatile overall back (as was Craig), but Peterson is head and shoulders over those guys (IMO) and why I did not address any of them above.

If you want to make the argument (along with others on this thread) that Peterson is ready for AARP benefits then at least back it up with facts. If you don't want Peterson in a Cowboys uniform, that's fine. You are as much entitled to your opinion as I am of mine.

I've watched the careers of Walter Payton and Adrian Peterson. Walter was 5'10" 205 lb, was probably the most physical back of his era (or at the least, was second only to Earl Campbell), and had the heart of a lion. Peterson, at 6'1" 217 lb, is almost as physical at Walter was (I do stress "almost"), more explosive in his cuts and faster than Walter, and, like Walter, is a warrior, plays all-out every down and in incredible physical condition.

Because I see some of Walter's traits in him, I do believe Peterson has two more great years left in him. I think he can do great things behind the Cowboys O-line, which is probably the best run-blocking line in football and, for the first time in his career, with a top tier QB in the same backfield.

I watched Dorsett play at Pitt, Campbell at Texas, the constant train of great USC running backs from the late 60s through the 70s, and I saw all of the NFL greats from Sayers' rookie year forward. Adrian Peterson belongs in that rarified air with the best of all-time. IMO, Peterson is somewhere between no. 7 and no. 9 among the greatest RBs ever. I think, at 30, he will give the Cowboys much more than Gordon or Coleman or Ajayi or anyone else at 22, including Gurley when his knee is healed. I don't see Peterson tanking in 2015, and certainly not behind what is developing into the best run blocking line in the past 20 years.

They were still all done by 30. They decided the beating wasn't worth or whatever but it is what it is. Sayers may have been done due to injury but he was still done far before age 28.

You can call me on facts all you want but the point still stands for all your waving at the ones who match your bias that I have recognized as the 28%. You also left out Dickerson, OJ and several others in your zeal to only acknowledge that which suits your bias.

I'm not saying that he is destined to fail. I am just saying that like normal RB, HoF fall off a cliff too. And for all your claims of what some guy was able to do at age 30 we still haven't seen AP run or do anything in over a year. We are in a position of extreme ignorance yet I see the gaps filled with wishful thinking.
 
I just don't think people fathom what signing Peterson would do for the health of Tony Romo and the production of Jason Witten and Dez Bryant.

This isn't about rushing for 2,000 yards.
 
I just don't think people fathom what signing Peterson would do for the health of Tony Romo and the production of Jason Witten and Dez Bryant.

This isn't about rushing for 2,000 yards.

This is about you assuming the absolute best case scenario and that 2000 yard back is still there.

No one is lost to the upside. Over 2/3 of even HoF backs tank by his age and there is a real risk that he has hit his wall. We already saw serious decline from age 27 to 28. He will be 30, 31, and 32 at those outrageous salaries.
 
They were still all done by 30. They decided the beating wasn't worth or whatever but it is what it is. Sayers may have been done due to injury but he was still done far before age 28.

You can call me on facts all you want but the point still stands for all your waving at the ones who match your bias that I have recognized as the 28%. You also left out Dickerson, OJ and several others in your zeal to only acknowledge that which suits your bias.

I'm not saying that he is destined to fail. I am just saying that like normal RB, HoF fall off a cliff too. And for all your claims of what some guy was able to do at age 30 we still haven't seen AP run or do anything in over a year. We are in a position of extreme ignorance yet I see the gaps filled with wishful thinking.

Yeah, I remember the wishful thinking on Roy Williams for a 1st & 3rd.
 
These are the defensive linemen under contract for the 2016 season:
Demarcus Lawrence
Ken Boatright
Lavar Edwards
Ben Gardner
Davon Coleman
Terrell McClain
Ken Bishop

But yeah, this team is only "one player away" where a 1st rounder PLUS ten million dollars in cap space is easily expendable.
 
No defense is stopping an offense with Romo, AD, Dez, Williams, Beasley, Witten and this offensive line. Period, end of discussion.

Add to that two All Pro worthy candidates on the defensive side of the ball we didn't have last year and the will be the hands down favorite to win it all next year.

Even at 30, AD will command a defense's respect. He's a year rested, a freak of nature and has a chip on his shoulder.
 
Never underestimate the stubbornness of men, football teams and franchises. I'm convinced more and more that if the Vikings don't get a great deal (in terms of trade) for AP, they're going to tell him either come back and sit. And they're going to let him sit. He doesn't collect any money if he doesn't report.
I know many posters think they're going to take a bag of chips for him, but I think they'll let him sit out the year than shortchange themselves on a deal or practically give him to the Cardinals or the Cowboys - two NFC teams in contention for the Super Bowl last year and, even moreso, this year.

Im not sure I could do the rational thing, if I am in Minnys FO, and a team is offering me a great deal for AP, and AP turns around and tells me to take the other, lower offer.......

Im not sure I dont say the hell with it, and eat the money....or force AP to play for me, or accept this offer...
 
This is about you assuming the absolute best case scenario and that 2000 yard back is still there.

No one is lost to the upside. Over 2/3 of even HoF backs tank by his age and there is a real risk that he has hit his wall. We already saw serious decline from age 27 to 28. He will be 30, 31, and 32 at those outrageous salaries.

What serious decline? He's been a one-man team for too long. He's been playing with rookies and nobody QBs his whole career.

Backs decline because they change. They get fatter, slower, less interested, more reluctant, semi-committed. Peterson still looks exactly like he did the day he was drafted, and everything I've read, he's raging to get back on the field.

The typical rules don't apply to all players. He's got 2-3 premier years left, which happens to coincide with our QB. This would help Tony Romo tremendously.

The only RB I see with a whisper of hope to make that kind of impact is Gurley. The rest are probably solid, but not transcendent.
 
I'm not forgetting them. I'm disregarding them. While they can afford to pay his current salary, they can't afford to have to deal with the same issue Minnesota is. Why would Peterson campaign so aggressively to get out of Minnesota, but then simply show up for work under the same contract to a significantly worse team?

He would clearly be getting shafted, and sent to finish out his career in obscurity, playing for nothing, with no chance of winning anything. The Raiders offered Murray more money than anyone else, but he was smart enough to not want to get killed running behind that line.

In some cases, teams are so bad that money cant buy you out of it.

Because Oakland is not Minny. The only grievance that AP has made public is his treatment by Minny as a result of his legal ordeal. He just wants out of Minny. He's not demanding to go to a better team and he is certainly not demanding to go to a specific team (Cowboys). He just wants out of Minny. Keeping his current salary and being with any NFL team not called the Vikings would be ideal for him. He has expressed his desire to be a Cowboy but that's as far as he has gone with that sentiment. Until he public puts his foot down and says he will only play for the Cowboys, you can not discount a team like Oakland that has ample resources to accommodate AP's current contract.
 
Im not sure I could do the rational thing, if I am in Minnys FO, and a team is offering me a great deal for AP, and AP turns around and tells me to take the other, lower offer.......

Im not sure I dont say the hell with it, and eat the money....or force AP to play for me, or accept this offer...

I don't see where Minnesota loses, though. If someone offers you a 1st for AP, maybe. But if the offer isn't acceptable, you simply tell AP, "Either you play here or you play nowhere."

If AP sits, he doesn't get paid anything.

The Vikings have ALL the leverage. Teams have shown in the past they are willing to let players sit and stew rather than to acquiesce to a bad deal.
 
Because Oakland is not Minny. The only grievance that AP has made public is his treatment by Minny as a result of his legal ordeal. He just wants out of Minny. He's not demanding to go to a better team and he is certainly not demanding to go to a specific team (Cowboys). He just wants out of Minny. Keeping his current salary and being with any NFL team not called the Vikings would be ideal for him. He has expressed his desire to be a Cowboy but that's as far as he has gone with that sentiment. Until he public puts his foot down and says he will only play for the Cowboys, you can not discount a team like Oakland that has ample resources to accommodate AP's current contract.

imho, AP says no to Oakland. I dont think he goes to a rebuilding project and gets buried,

But I do see him saying yes to AZ. A legit team with SB aspirations.
 
What makes this tricky is the restructuring/renegotiation. It's not like they can just trade with Dallas on the clock. The Cowboys will want a deal in place beforehand.

And every part of me says that Minnesota would rather trade him to anybody than Dallas, with Green Bay as the lone exception.
 
These are the defensive linemen under contract for the 2016 season:
Demarcus Lawrence
Ken Boatright
Lavar Edwards
Ben Gardner
Davon Coleman
Terrell McClain
Ken Bishop

But yeah, this team is only "one player away" where a 1st rounder PLUS ten million dollars in cap space is easily expendable.

That's 2016... we are talking about 2015 right now and having a chance to go to a super bowl NOW. Tony might not even make it to 2016.
 
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