Adrian Peterson wants to be a Cowboy

[Doomsday101]

MINN went 7-9 last year. I think Peterson could easily help the team win a game or two. That could mean the playoffs.

Their D is pretty good and Bridgewater should get better.

He very well could, Having a young QB like Bridgewater if you want to help him, then give him a running game so that as a young QB he is not being forced to carry the load.

 

[KJJ]

You ask where you said he hasn't been overrated meanwhile you overrate him any time you argue he is a better back for us this year over AD.

How exactly do you overrate an offensive line that had two all pros and a pro bowler... Is young and athletic.... And paved the way for the leagues best rushing and passing season?

It's not overrating Murray to say I would rather have him over a 30 year old back who's had 1100 more carries and has been out of football for a year suspended dealing with serious personal issues. How is that overrating him? I like the players we've grown with over the past few years like Murray and Dez who've just entered their prime. They helped lead us to a 12-4 season in 2014 and a playoff win. The Cowboys are building something with the chemistry and youth they have why disrupt it by replacing a young back who's coming off the greatest rushing season in franchise history and replace him with an aging back who's been out of football a year dealing with personal issues?

If the Cowboys lose Murray he could end up in Philly which would be a huge blow to the team and their chances of repeating and improving on the success they had this past season. The Cowboys aren't going to grow with an aging back who'll bring a distraction to the team. As for the OL anyone who claims it's on par or better than arguably the greatest OL in NFL history is overrating it. No one is saying the OL isn't good or isn't currently the best in the league but it certainly isn't on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas. The Cowboys 2014 OL was a very good run blocking unit but still needs to improve in pass protection. Romo was sacked 29 times including 5 times vs Washington that led to another back injury. Answer the question do you consider the Cowboys OL on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It's not overrating Murray to say I would rather have him over a 30 year old back who's had 1100 more carries and has been out of football for a year suspended dealing with serious personal issues. How is that overrating him? I like the players we've grown with over the past few years like Murray and Dez who've just entered their prime. They helped lead us to a 12-4 season in 2014 and a playoff win. The Cowboys are building something with the chemistry and youth they have why disrupt it by replacing a young back who's coming off the greatest rushing season in franchise history and replace him with an aging back who's been out of football a year dealing with personal issues?

If the Cowboys lose Murray he could end up in Philly which would be a huge blow to the team and their chances of repeating and improving on the success they had this past season. The Cowboys aren't going to grow with an aging back who'll bring a distraction to the team. As for the OL anyone who claims it's on par or better than arguably the greatest OL in NFL history is overrating it. No one is saying the OL isn't good or isn't currently the best in the league but it certainly isn't on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas. The Cowboys 2014 OL was a very good run blocking unit but still needs to improve in pass protection. Romo was sacked 29 times including 5 times vs Washington that led to another back injury. Answer the question do you consider the Cowboys OL on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas?

Murray isn't in his prime. Running backs peak at age 27 and steadily decline from there.

We saw Murray slow already as the year wore on and he had a historic workload.

I'd rather pay for a known outlier in Peterson than gamble that Murray might be similarly special.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Murray isn't in his prime. Running backs peak at age 27 and steadily decline from there.

We saw Murray slow already as the year wore on and he had a historic workload.

I'd rather pay for a known outlier in Peterson than gamble that Murray might be similarly special.

I'd rather go younger if Murray doesn't resign.

 

[burmafrd]

I would rather pick a young back in the third round - and spend that money on the D.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I would rather pick a young back in the third round - and spend that money on the D.

Ad > Draft > Mureay

 

[KJJ]

In this league you don't need to be on par with the 90's line to be very successful, because no one has a Doomsday or Steel Curtain defense lining up across from you either. To say Murray didn't greatly benefit from arguably the best or one of the best run blocking lines in the league is absurd.

Murray is what he is. A good-not-great all around back. If you are going to sink all of these resources in the OL and make the running game the key feature and identity of not only your offense, but really your whole team, you should get the best talent you can at that RB spot. With the possibility of Peterson and more importantly a good RB draft class coming up, I'm not certain sinking $7M/yr into Murray accomplishes that.

Find a post where I said Murray didn't greatly benefit from the run blocking he received this past season? I've never made that argument and have posts saying he benefitted from the OL. Murray himself has credited the OL but he played a big part himself because he's a talented back. Some here refuse to give him any credit giving most if not all of it to the OL. If you listen to people here the Cowboys could stick any back behind this OL and get the same results they got with Murray. The Cowboys have a great thing going with Murray and sinking 7M into him would be a good investment with the chances of reaching the SB a real possibility in the next season or two. The window is open after 5 years of mediocrity why not keep your best players and try and build on what was accomplished this past season? Why risk changing the chemistry of the team by allowing their most valuable player in 2014 who helped lead them to a 12-4 season walk and replace them with an aging back who's been out of football for a year or a rookie RB who may end up going bust?

Do you think Peterson is going to come cheap? He's not going to play for peanuts and it may cost the Cowboys a premium draft pick in a trade that could be used to help the defense. It's one thing to lose Murray but if the Cowboys lose him to Philly (which is a real possibility) it would be a HUGE blow to their chances in 2015 and beyond. With Peterson's age and all the carries he's had it may only take only a season or two for him to start looking like Eddie George. Some of you need to get the image of the AP from 3 years ago out of your heads and look at his last 3 performances. As for no one having a Steel Curtain or Doomsday defense no but there's a Legion of Doom defense that's better than the Doomsday defense and some argue it's better than the Steel Curtain defense.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Find a post where I said Murray didn't greatly benefit from the run blocking he received this past season? I've never made that argument and have posts saying he benefitted from the OL. Murray himself has credited the OL but he played a big part himself because he's a talented back. Some here refuse to give him any credit giving most if not all of it to the OL. If you listen to people here the Cowboys could stick any back behind this OL and get the same results they got with Murray. The Cowboys have a great thing going with Murray and sinking 7M into him would be a good investment with the chances of reaching the SB a real possibility in the next season or two. The window is open after 5 years of mediocrity why not keep your best players and try and build on what was accomplished this past season? Why risk changing the chemistry of the team by allowing their most valuable player in 2014 who helped lead them to a 12-4 season walk and replace them with an aging back who's been out of football for a year or a rookie RB who may end up going bust?

Do you think Peterson is going to come cheap? He's not going to play for peanuts and it may cost the Cowboys a premium draft pick in a trade that could be used to help the defense. It's one thing to lose Murray but if the Cowboys lose him to Philly (which is a real possibility) it would be a HUGE blow to their chances in 2015 and beyond. With Peterson's age and all the carries he's had it may only take only a season or two for him to start looking like Eddie George. Some of you need to get the image of the AP from 3 years ago out of your heads and look at his last 3 performances. As for no one having a Steel Curtain or Doomsday defense no but there's a Legion of Doom defense that's better than the Doomsday defense and some argue it's better than the Steel Curtain defense.

SEATTLE -- DeMarco Murray ran for a 15-yard touchdown with 3:16 left and became the second running back in NFL history with six straight 100-yard games to start the season as the Dallas Cowboys stunned the Seattle Seahawks 30-23 on Sunday.

That defense?

 

[KJJ]

Murray isn't in his prime. Running backs peak at age 27 and steadily decline from there.

We saw Murray slow already as the year wore on and he had a historic workload.

I'd rather pay for a known outlier in Peterson than gamble that Murray might be similarly special.

If Murray isn't in his prime at 27 with 934 carries where does that leave Peterson at 30 with 2033 carries? Are you going to spin he's like a fine bottle of wine? If you're going to pay for the "known" then pay the player you drafted and developed. Pay the player who just set your franchise's rushing record and led your team to a 12-4 season and a playoff win. Pay the player who's been a model citizen and received 2 league MVP votes not the aging player that has over 2000 carries and 10,000 rushing yards and just sat out a year suspended fighting a serious criminal charge.

Gambling is replacing a 27 year old back who was a league MVP candidate this past season with a 30 year old back hoping they can produce like they did 3 years ago when they were 27. Hopefully Jerry has the resources to purchase a fountain of youth if he has plans to sign Peterson. Forgive me for not being excited about the prospects of signing a back who's 3 years older than Murray and has had 1100 more carries. By the way stop tap dancing and answer the question do you consider the Cowboys OL on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas?

 

[wileedog]

Find a post where I said Murray didn't greatly benefit from the run blocking he received this past season? I've never made that argument and have posts saying he benefitted from the OL. Murray himself has credited the OL but he played a big part himself because he's a talented back.

I think that's the point of contention. To me Murray lacks vision at times and burst. I think a better back would do more with the Oline, not less. I'm not saying he's bad or is going to go someplace else and stink, but I don't think the running game is as good as it could be with a true home run hitter back there. And I think we completely lucked out on his health this year, and I'm leery he can stay healthy 3 or 4 more straight seasons.

Why risk changing the chemistry of the team by allowing their most valuable player in 2014 who helped lead them to a 12-4 season walk and replace them with an aging back who's been out of football for a year or a rookie RB who may end up going bust?

Because you may also get someone with better vision and speed and who is 4 years younger and not coming off a brutal 450+ touch season.

Do you think Peterson is going to come cheap?

Peterson is a pipe dream. It's not going to happen. But he is very much still a better RB than Murray, even at his age.

It's one thing to lose Murray but if the Cowboys lose him to Philly (which is a real possibility) it would be a HUGE blow to their chances in 2015 and beyond..

- He didn't go to Oregon
- He is a terrible fit for that offense. I think even you agree Murray is not great in space and its an offense designed to get people in space. Kelly probably wouldn't look twice at Murray. I'd be more worried about him going to the Giants.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If Murray isn't in his prime at 27 with 934 carries where does that leave Peterson at 30 with 2033 carries? Are you going to spin he's like a fine bottle of wine? If you're going to pay for the "known" then pay the player you drafted and developed. Pay the player who just set your franchise's rushing record and led your team to a 12-4 season and a playoff win. Pay the player who's been a model citizen and received 2 league MVP votes not the aging player that has over 2000 carries and 10,000 rushing yards and just sat out a year suspended fighting a serious criminal charge.

Gambling is replacing a 27 year old back who was a league MVP candidate this past season with a 30 year old back hoping they can produce like they did 3 years ago when they were 27. Hopefully Jerry has the resources to purchase a fountain of youth if he has plans to sign Peterson. Forgive me for not being excited about the prospects of signing a back who's 3 years older than Murray and has had 1100 more carries. By the way stop tap dancing and answer the question do you consider the Cowboys OL on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas?

Peterson is an outlier. That should be obvious.

Also we get Peterson after a year of rest and recuperation.

What part of Peterson is an outlier don't you understand?

Men that big and that fast and that elusive and that durable shouldn't walk this earth.

 

[KJJ]

I think that's the point of contention. To me Murray lacks vision at times and burst. I think a better back would do more with the Oline, not less. I'm not saying he's bad or is going to go someplace else and stink, but I don't think the running game is as good as it could be with a true home run hitter back there. And I think we completely lucked out on his health this year, and I'm leery he can stay healthy 3 or 4 more straight seasons.


Because you may also get someone with better vision and speed and who is 4 years younger and not coming off a brutal 450+ touch season.



Peterson is a pipe dream. It's not going to happen. But he is very much still a better RB than Murray, even at his age.



- He didn't go to Oregon
- He is a terrible fit for that offense. I think even you agree Murray is not great in space and its an offense designed to get people in space. Kelly probably wouldn't look twice at Murray. I'd be more worried about him going to the Giants.

With some of the comments being posted about Murray you would think he had a bad year. The guy had over 1845 yards which was over 500 yards more than his closest competitor and we're seeing posts complaining about his vision, burst, speed and that he left a lot of yards on the field. LOL There's not a back that's ever led the league in rushing that's had to deal with more abuse than Murray has this offseason and it's all been from his own fan base. Most fans were ready to let Murray walk as soon as the season was over. His fumble vs Green Bay seemed to be the final straw for some just read the posts after the game. Who's to say after a year away from football that Peterson who's about to turn 30 is a better back than Murray at the present time? A 3 year age difference is a big difference when you're talking about RB's and Peterson has had 1100 more carries than Murray. You talk about Murray's health but Peterson battled injuries the last full season he played.

He hasn't looked like the same back since his 211 yard performance in week 13 of the 2013 season. Peterson might be a pipe dream for some but he would be a bad dream for me because I don't want to replace a solid young back who just put up over 1800 yards with an aging back who might be done by the time Murray reaches 29. Murray is not that bad in space he can make defenders miss and can run between the tackles which would make him a good fit for any offense. Chip Kelley prefers a workhorse back not a committee and Murray will be just about the only back available that fits that criteria. CJ Spiller has had injuries and has always been part of an RB committee. Murray could very well end up in Philly it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility and getting him away from the Cowboys would strengthen Philly and take a big bite out of the Cowboys offense.

 

[KJJ]

Peterson is an outlier. That should be obvious.

Also we get Peterson after a year of rest and recuperation.

What part of Peterson is an outlier don't you understand?

Men that big and that fast and that elusive and that durable shouldn't walk this earth.

A year away from football for a soon to be 30 year old RB creates staleness and rust. There's no rest and recuperation for his head that has to be spinning with the personal issues he's been dealing with. You act like he's been laying on a beach the past year sipping margarita's with not a trouble in the world. lol What don't you understand about the question I keep asking and you keep avoiding? You keep coming and I'll keep asking. Do you consider the Cowboys OL on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas?

 

[wileedog]

With some of the comments being posted about Murray you would think he had a bad year. The guy had over 1845 yards which was over 500 yards more than his closest competitor and we're seeing posts complaining about his vision, burst, speed and that he left a lot of yards on the field. LOL There's not a back that's ever led the league in rushing that's had to deal with more abuse than Murray has this offseason and it's all been from his own fan base.

He had 400 carries behind the best run blocking OLine in the league. The guy behind him had the exact same YPA, he just happened to get the ball a full 102 less times.

And yes, Murray left yards on the field. He left 70 of them and TD on the field in GB because he couldn't get through a hole the size of the Grand Canyon quick enough before Peppers stripped him. Randle is still running right now if it had been him on that carry.

You talk about Murray's health but Peterson battled injuries the last full season he played.

Murray's had injuries in almost every season he's played going back to college. It's a big reason he dropped to the 3rd round in the draft. Last year was the outlier, not the norm for him. Peterson has historically been much more durable than him.

Chip Kelley prefers a workhorse back not a committee and Murray will be just about the only back available that fits that criteria. CJ Spiller has had injuries and has always been part of an RB committee. Murray could very well end up in Philly it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility and getting him away from the Cowboys would strengthen Philly and take a big bite out of the Cowboys offense.

Chip Kelly just traded away Shady McCoy, a prototype back for his system, most likely because of $$$. He's not going to turn around and sign Murray, a much worse fit, because he might come $1M cheaper.

Kelly believes his system >>> players. He is showing this season that he is going to live and die by that philosophy, and signing Murray doesn't fit with it.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

He had 400 carries behind the best run blocking OLine in the league. The guy behind him had the exact same YPA, he just happened to get the ball a full 102 less times.

And yes, Murray left yards on the field. He left 70 of them and TD on the field in GB because he couldn't get through a hole the size of the Grand Canyon quick enough before Peppers stripped him. Randle is still running right now if it had been him on that carry.


Murray's had injuries in almost every season he's played going back to college. It's a big reason he dropped to the 3rd round in the draft. Last year was the outlier, not the norm for him. Peterson has historically been much more durable than him.


Chip Kelly just traded away Shady McCoy, a prototype back for his system, most likely because of $$$. He's not going to turn around and sign Murray, a much worse fit, because he might come $1M cheaper.

Kelly believes his system >>> players. He is showing this season that he is going to live and die by that philosophy, and signing Murray doesn't fit with it.

With the ball and some underoos.

 

[KJJ]

He had 400 carries behind the best run blocking OLine in the league. The guy behind him had the exact same YPA, he just happened to get the ball a full 102 less times.

And yes, Murray left yards on the field. He left 70 of them and TD on the field in GB because he couldn't get through a hole the size of the Grand Canyon quick enough before Peppers stripped him. Randle is still running right now if it had been him on that carry.


Murray's had injuries in almost every season he's played going back to college. It's a big reason he dropped to the 3rd round in the draft. Last year was the outlier, not the norm for him. Peterson has historically been much more durable than him.


Chip Kelly just traded away Shady McCoy, a prototype back for his system, most likely because of $$$. He's not going to turn around and sign Murray, a much worse fit, because he might come $1M cheaper.

Kelly believes his system >>> players. He is showing this season that he is going to live and die by that philosophy, and signing Murray doesn't fit with it.

It would have been a 59 yard run had Murray not fumbled and scored. Are you saying you would rather have Randle than Murray? Randle may be quicker but he's not nearly as good a back as Murray so don't even think about going there. As for Chip Kelly he traded McCoy because many felt McCoy was too strong a personality and there was a conflict between the two. He got rid of D Jackson for a similar reason Kelly wants a certain type of player and personality. Now that Phily has strengthen their defense by adding Alonso Kelly needs to replace McCoy and what better back than one within their division that led the league in rushing and helped eliminate his team from the playoffs. Murray may give the Cowboys a chance to match an offer so part of Philly's strategy could be to replace McCoy by taking away one of the Cowboys most potent weapons. The Cowboys and Philly could be in a nip and tuck battle again for the NFC East in 2015 so don't think they won't at least consider making Murray an offer to help strengthen them and weaken the Cowboys.

 

[wileedog]

It would have been a 59 yard run had Murray not fumbled and scored. Are you saying you would rather have Randle than Murray? Randle may be quicker but he's not nearly as good a back as Murray so don't even think about going there.

Of course not. My point was that Murray lacks burst relative to other RBs, and that costs him yards (be it 59 or 70, you stickler you). I'm not saying Randle is better, I'm saying a lot of backs not making $7M score on that play.

As for Chip Kelly he traded McCoy because many felt McCoy was too strong a personality and there was a conflict between the two. He got rid of D Jackson for a similar reason Kelly wants a certain type of player and personality. Now that Phily has strengthen their defense by adding Alonso Kelly needs to replace McCoy and what better back than one within their division that led the league in rushing and helped eliminate his team from the playoffs.

Murray may give the Cowboys a chance to match an offer so part of Philly's strategy could be to not only replace McCoy but do it by taking away one of the Cowboys most potent weapons. The Cowboys and Philly could be in a nip and tuck battle again for the NFC East in 2015 so don't think they won't at least consider making Murray an offer to help strengthen them and weaken the Cowboys.

Everyone knew Jackson was a punk. No one has ever said that about McCoy, and if he didn't have a $10M cap hit this season he would still be a Duck Eagle.

Plus I think the rationale behind freeing up the all that cap space is they are going to blow their draft up trading for Mariota IMO. They need the money to cover other needs like the secondary in FA. If they don't I guarantee though they will be picking up a RB in the draft, not signing a 26 year RB to a team with no established QB.

And quite frankly, even if I am horribly wrong about that, they are welcome to sign Murray for 4/$30M and take a chance that abuse we dished out on him last season doesn't catch up to him real fast. Unless they are stealing our Oline, I'm not terribly concerned about it. Murray simply will not do as well in that system as he did here.

 

[KJJ]

Of course not. My point was that Murray lacks burst relative to other RBs, and that costs him yards (be it 59 or 70, you stickler you). I'm not saying Randle is better, I'm saying a lot of backs not making $7M score on that play.



Everyone knew Jackson was a punk. No one has ever said that about McCoy, and if he didn't have a $10M cap hit this season he would still be a Duck Eagle.

Plus I think the rationale behind freeing up the all that cap space is they are going to blow their draft up trading for Mariota IMO. They need the money to cover other needs like the secondary in FA. If they don't I guarantee though they will be picking up a RB in the draft, not signing a 26 year RB to a team with no established QB.

And quite frankly, even if I am horribly wrong about that, they are welcome to sign Murray for 4/$30M and take a chance that abuse we dished out on him last season doesn't catch up to him real fast. Unless they are stealing our Oline, I'm not terribly concerned about it. Murray simply will not do as well in that system as he did here.

There's been a lot of good backs that lack burst. Murray's lack of burst didn't prevent him from setting a single game franchise record of 253 yards as a rookie and a franchise record of 1845 yards topping Emmitt Smith this past season. His lack of bust didn't stop him from setting an NFL record of 8 straight 100 yard games to start the season. I'm satisfied with him and if you're not that's your opinion. As for McCoy it's been reported he was too strong a personality for Chip Kelly read LT's report. Time we put this discussion to rest.

http://phi.247sports.com/Bolt/Tomlinson-McCoy-latest-strong-personality-shed-by-Chip-Kelly-35979411

 

[burmafrd]

McCoy being tossed is basically a peronal thing with Kelly - he wants no one to challenge him in any way. So anyone with a strong personality that does not kiss his ring is going to be gone sooner or later.

Peterson is clearly the exception to the rule as regards RBs; but when will his decline start? Not likely the first year back from having an entire year of rest. Have to laugh at the idea that rust is a big problem with a running back= that comes from someone desperate for reasons to bag on him.

 

[wileedog]

There's been a lot of good backs that lack burst. Murray's lack of burst didn't prevent him from setting a single game franchise record of 253 yards as a rookie and a franchise record of 1845 yards topping Emmitt Smith this past season. His lack of bust didn't stop him from setting an NFL record of 8 straight 100 yard games to start the season. I'm satisfied with him and if you're not that's your opinion.

I'm not. A better back - a true elite back - could have done more with this offense IMO.

As for McCoy it's been reported he was too strong a personality for Chip Kelly read LT's report. Time we put this discussion to rest.

http://phi.247sports.com/Bolt/Tomlinson-McCoy-latest-strong-personality-shed-by-Chip-Kelly-35979411

Pure speculation. What does that even mean "strong personality?"

Show me a quote from Kelly or the organization that refutes that they didn't think McCoy was worth the cap hit and let him go for some other reason.

*edit* BTW from the article you posted:

"While the salary cap money saved by dumping McCoy's hefty salary was likely the primary reason for the trade,"