Adrian Peterson wants to be a Cowboy

[Dave_in-NC]

This argument is getting old. Defend him all you want. We can agree to disagree, if you really didnt see him running to the sidelines instead of up the middle to hit someone then thats just bias. Its not just me. In either case. Murray/AP will both do amazing behind this line.

Like a lot of arguments here, there comes a time when I wish the team would just sign a player or say naww go elsewhere.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I never credit romo haters for having any football sense at all.

 

[LatinMind]

 

[mickswag]

 

[phildadon86]

Like a lot of arguments here, there comes a time when I wish the team would just sign a player or say naww go elsewhere.

For real lol

 

[KJJ]

This argument is getting old. Defend him all you want. We can agree to disagree, if you really didnt see him running to the sidelines instead of up the middle to hit someone then thats just bias. Its not just me. In either case. Murray/AP will both do amazing behind this line.

It's getting hard to follow what you're saying. One minute you're saying he's looking for contact instead of open field and now you're complaining he was running to the sidelines? Am I following you? He's looking for open space which is why he bounces outside.

 

[reddyuta]

4 hour meeting with Zimmer,really?

 

[Bowdown27]

Not surprised. He wants out and they have all the leverage.

 

[phildadon86]

It's getting hard to follow what you're saying. One minute you're saying he's looking for contact instead of open field and now you're complaining he was running to the sidelines? Am I following you? He's looking for open space which is why he bounces outside.

Im saying if there was open space in the center of the field he would go to the sideline looking for contact. Im done arguing this lol. You have you opinion i have mine.

 

[KJJ]

Im saying if there was open space in the center of the field he would go to the sideline looking for contact. Im done arguing this lol. You have you opinion i have mine.

If that's what you're saying then yeah let's move on. lol

 

[phildadon86]

Not surprised. He wants out and they have all the leverage.

I just hope the Cowboys arent waiting for something to happen and bank on him being released.

 

[MichaelValentino]

He last full'ish season which was two years ago when he rushed for only 1266 yards and his averaged dropped from 6.0 ypc to 4.5.

By the time next season starts, that 2000 yard season will be 4 years in the rear-view mirror.

That would be three years "in the rear-view mirror," not four. But I see your point. In 2013 he started 14 games, missed two entirely and missed most of the game (week 14, I think) vs Baltimore, only carrying seven times. He still managed 1266 yd, or 90 yd/game. Add that average to two missed starts and that projects to a 1400+ yd season, which is still below his career yearly average if you exclude last year. And let's not forget the Vikings went from 10-6 to 5-10-1 from 2012 to 2013. He played with QBs like Christian Ponder and Matt Cassel, not exactly Drew Brees, Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Or Tony Romo. So, 1266 yd in 14 games for a bad team with an average (at best) QB is not exactly falling off a cliff production-wise. And a 4.5 yd/att average is not bad. It only looks bad because you are comparing it to a 6.0 yd/att from 2012, which BTW, Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, Walter Payton and Eric Dickerson combined to do twice in a total of 44 seasons played.

 

[Stash]

Not surprised. He wants out and they have all the leverage.

He can exert some Pressure of his own. And I think he just started to.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

A lot of those yards before contact was due to him cutting back making defenders miss. Emmett gets disrespected because of the great OL he ran behind but he also could make defenders miss making something out of nothing. All I know is I saw Murray run for more yards in one game 4 years ago than any back in Cowboys history and that OL was far from great. He had other big games when the OL was still in transition but he couldn't stay healthy. One of the best runs Murray ever had was vs the Giants on opening night of the 2012 season he turned a big loss into a 48 yard gain. Peterson will have to prove he's still great after a year off facing legal problems.

Murray is a one cut runner who hits the hole on schedule. You're exaggerating how much he created verses how much he took what was blocked.... Which don't get me wrong is an important skill.

 

[MichaelValentino]

At this stage in their careers Murray probably is the better back he's 3 years younger coming off a career year not spending an entire season suspended dealing with off the field issues. We don't know where AP is mentally or physically after everything that's gone down with him the past year. The last game he played was on opening day of the 2014 season and he only rushed for 75 yards averaging 3.6 a carry. The last 2 games prior to that during the 2013 season he rushed for only 13 yards on 7 carries vs Baltimore and 45 yards on 11 carries the following week vs Cinn. He appeared to be a back in decline and with a year off dealing with off the field issues who knows how much he has left.

Come on KJJ, that was one game last year. I can roll out a lot of stats showing where Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, Marshall Faulk, LaDanian Tomlinson, Tony Dorsett, Gale Sayers and even Jim Brown were held to under 50-60 yds and 3.0 ypc in games. It's even true that Joe Montana once threw multiple INTs in a game and Jerry Rice dropped a pass.

In the 2013 games you mention, AP carried seven times vs the Ravens. He left the game and a backup carried around 15 times. I think the Vikings scored 10 pt in that game. Then vs the Bengals, Ponder threw 3 picks, Dalton threw 4 TDs for the Bengals, and Cincy held the ball for nearly 40 minutes. Minnesota won 5 games in 2013. They were a bad team. And Peterson still gained close to 1300 yd in 14 games, including the Baltimore game in which he did not see much action.

Just trying to be completely objective here.

 

[Idgit]

Not surprised. He wants out and they have all the leverage.

Not all the leverage, if they don't want to pay him the $44M he's got coming to him in that contract. And they pretty clearly don't.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Not all the leverage, if they don't want to pay him the $44M he's got coming to him in that contract. And they pretty clearly don't.

If they don't want to pay him all he has to say is that he doesn't want to play for them will not take a payout and he'll be at everything mandatory and nothing else.

 

[Nightman]

If they don't want to pay him all he has to say is that he doesn't want to play for them will not take a payout and he'll be at everything mandatory and nothing else.

His worst case is getting 13m from MINN
Their worst case is dragging it out and him getting hurt at camp, a big risk if they really do want to cut him.

 

[KJJ]

Come on KJJ, that was one game last year. I can roll out a lot of stats showing where Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, Marshall Faulk, LaDanian Tomlinson, Tony Dorsett, Gale Sayers and even Jim Brown were held to under 50-60 yds and 3.0 ypc in games. It's even true that Joe Montana once threw multiple INTs in a game and Jerry Rice dropped a pass.

In the 2013 games you mention, AP carried seven times vs the Ravens. He left the game and a backup carried around 15 times. I think the Vikings scored 10 pt in that game. Then vs the Bengals, Ponder threw 3 picks, Dalton threw 4 TDs for the Bengals, and Cincy held the ball for nearly 40 minutes. Minnesota won 5 games in 2013. They were a bad team. And Peterson still gained close to 1300 yd in 14 games, including the Baltimore game in which he did not see much action.

Just trying to be completely objective here.

I pointed out his last 3 games dating back to the 2013 season and he wasn't impressive. You would have to go back to week 13 of that season to find his last impressive performance. It wouldn't be concerning if AP wasn't approaching his 9th season and wasn't about to turn 30. It wouldn't be as concerning if he was a couple of years younger and didn't miss almost the entire 2014 season suspended. None of the backs you mentioned went through what AP has gone through the past year or were at an age where 3 straight unimpressive performances would make you think decline could be setting in. AP had some injuries in 2013 and not looking very impressive on opening day 2014 makes you wonder if all the carries are finally starting to take their toll. He's had 3 seasons of well over 300 carries and has been carrying the Vikings for 7 seasons. Although Murray had 392 carries this past season his previous high was only 217 carries.

By the time the 2015 regular season rolls around AP will be 6 months shy of 31. If the Cowboys lose Murray in free agency Jerry might get desperate and cough up a premium draft pick for AP and he'll be expecting close to 400 carries out of him. We'll be getting an aging back with a ton of milage on him and we'll be paying a good price for his name and all the yards he gained in Minn. We'll be getting what's left of him and it's anyones guess how much he has left with all the carries he's had and spending a year off dealing with serious personal issues. I don't see AP lasting very long if the idea is to bring him in and have him carry the load like Murray did last season. Romo isn't getting any younger so the Cowboys are going to have to keep leaning on the running game and if they trade for AP they'll be leaning on him.

 

[KJJ]

Murray is a one cut runner who hits the hole on schedule. You're exaggerating how much he created verses how much he took what was blocked.... Which don't get me wrong is an important skill.

What's being exaggerated is how great the Cowboys OL is. Those who are saying it's on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas are the ones exaggerating. Murray created a number of plays in 2014 and NFLN documented a lot of them. He also ran through some huge holes and he picked up a lot of the dirty tough yards that kept the chains moving keeping the defense fresh and off the field. Go back and review some of the runs where he made defenders miss by cutting back and knifing his way through for some tough first downs and TD's.

He had at least 2 TD's where there wasn't much there and he made a play. It's amazing how many I've seen since the season ended attempt to tear his game down after the great season he had. Now that he's being allowed to test the market and AP might be available the disrespect for Murray is spreading like a wildfire. The Cowboys fan base is so screwed up you have many who would like to see Dez and Murray replaced and that's no exaggeration. LOL