Aikman is right, the penalty should be severe

[DogFace]

1) you're kidding on 1 right? You argued with me all day about it. Then I showed you a pic and you said you also found one in my earlier post showing it hit. Lordie!

Anything could happen to the balls. They didn't cheat on their play calling whether you like the plays or not. Teams have used those formations. There there is this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...teve-young-nfl-deflategate-patriots/22130249/

"I asked our equipment guy to pump one football up to 13 pounds per square inch and another to 11 psi," Theismann told USA TODAY Sports. "I wanted to physically handle the footballs and see if I could tell a difference in them. And I couldn't.

"If you just pick a football up that is 13 psi and another that's 11 psi, no one would know the difference. Because you don't grip a football tight anyway to throw it."

"Dan Marino made a great point -- that the last thing you're thinking about as a quarterback when you get to the line of scrimmage is, 'I wonder if this football is to 2 psi lighter?'" Theismann said.

Also Frog, I argued with Tykonedoedoe or something like that for several days about Dez's excellent catch so I can't remember exactly how our discussion went. Pretty sure he said I was right and he was sorry for challenging me.
And IF it was within 8-10 hours after the game I was supposed to be disqualified from all discussions for being over the Internet legal limit for alcohol.

 

[joseephuss]

Then how do you explain other HOF QBs like Dan Marino and Joe Theisman saying they wouldnt be able to tell a difference? /

Theisman is not in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Miller]

Also Frog I argued with Tykonedoedoe or something like that for several days about Dez's excellent catch so I can't remember exactly how our discussion went.
And IF it was within 8-10 hours after the game I was supposed to be disqualified from all discussions for being over the Internet legal limit for alcohol.

I apologize completely. I thought it was you and me but it was nathanlt that I was in that discussion with and we had pics, etc. My bad

 

[joseephuss]

Also Frog, I argued with Tykonedoedoe or something like that for several days about Dez's excellent catch so I can't remember exactly how our discussion went. Pretty sure he said I was right and he was sorry for challenging me.
And IF it was within 8-10 hours after the game I was supposed to be disqualified from all discussions for being over the Internet legal limit for alcohol.

Wow, the internet legal limit for alcohol is pretty high. Impressive.

 

[Miller]

I've watched it many times. It looked like it probably did but there isn't a pic I could find where it is definitive.

Marino and Joe may not have the diabolical mind of a cheater.
I've heard many others say they definetely could tell. Pro NFL players.
I'll also use my own expertise in basketball. If the ball is off in pressure or lopsided at all or the rims are off an inch. I'll know even to this day. To some it wouldn't matter.
And some people could play tennis just as well with a log as a high end racket--Seinfeld

You may end up being right. I'm not saying that the ball levels aren't attributed to anyone. I'm just waiting because I've heard two sides from pros and I honestly don't think there is enough to pin it on Brady, coach, refs, etc. The NFL is doing it right exhausting all avenues before jumping on anyone.

 

[DogFace]

Wow, the internet legal limit for alcohol is pretty high. Impressive.

Thank you. I owe it all to my family for supporting me.

 

[DogFace]

I apologize completely. I thought it was you and me but it was nathanlt that I was in that discussion with and we had pics, etc. My bad

No problem. I had an extensive argument but I didn't think it was about the ball hitting. I'm still not totally sure but I bet you're right that it did.

 

[Miller]

Theisman is not in the Hall of Fame.

Sorry it wasn't supposed to come out that way. I was trying to write HOF Marino and Theisman. I'm doing this one handed on my iPhone while a 2 year old is in the other arm

 

[joseephuss]

Sorry it want supposed to come out that way. I was trying to write HOF Marino and Theisman. I'm doing this one handed on my iPhone while a 2 year old is in the other arm

Apology accepted, but it was the worse thing I had seen posted in the last week.

 

[Miller]

Apology accepted, but it was the worse thing I had seen posted in the last week.

Lol. Ok

 

[ConstantReboot]

I don't say its fair.

I just don't think they do anything.

Kraft is probably one of the top 3 owners in importance.

Its a GOOD OL BOY network.

Yes I think your right. They probably give them a slap on the wrist and call it a day. Of course he's gonna be dealing with the repercussion of not dealing with it accordingly.

Kraft doesn't provide any value to the NFL and to the game. He just so happens to be owner of the Patriots and a good friend of the Commish. Thats not giving value. Thats nothing more than the good ole boy network corrupting the NFL from within.

 

[Rogah]

The penalty should be severe. Ie, bounty gate and then some.

I always believed Aikman to be of the highest character. Especially when it comes to the integrity of the game.

Aikman helped build the legit cowboys dynasty and rodent like cheaters being mentioned alongside his cowboys.

Well the Vikings were tampering with balls on the sidlelines by heating them up in a 12 degree game and they got a letter of warning.

So if a 1st offense is a letter of warning, what should a 2nd offense be?

 

[Rogah]

Kraft doesn't provide any value to the NFL and to the game. He just so happens to be owner of the Patriots and a good friend of the Commish. Thats not giving value.

It amazes me how much people are just losing their minds over this whole thing.

Bob Kraft is one of the most prominent owners in the league, arguably 2nd only to Jerruh. He is widely seen as the driving force behind getting the players and owners to compromise and come to terms during the player lockout 3 years ago. Jeff Saturday said "without him, this deal does not get done ... He is a man who helped us save football." He is the chairman of the NFL Broadcasting Committee and a board member of Viacom. He took over the worst franchise in the league (one which was headed to St. Louis) and kept them in Boston and turned them into one of the most valuable franchises in sports.

But sure... other than that he does nothing to provide any value to the NFL.

 

[ConstantReboot]

It amazes me how much people are just losing their minds over this whole thing.

Bob Kraft is one of the most prominent owners in the league, arguably 2nd only to Jerruh. He is widely seen as the driving force behind getting the players and owners to compromise and come to terms during the player lockout 3 years ago. Jeff Saturday said "without him, this deal does not get done ... He is a man who helped us save football." He is the chairman of the NFL Broadcasting Committee and a board member of Viacom. He took over the worst franchise in the league (one which was headed to St. Louis) and kept them in Boston and turned them into one of the most valuable franchises in sports.

But sure... other than that he does nothing to provide any value to the NFL.

Good for him. No disrespect to Kraft but I could care less what he's done. I want to know what's he gonna do for the rest of us football fans and less about the Patriots.

What has he done to make officiating better for the league? Because its so obvious that refs call Cowboys games different than Patriots and Broncos games.
Why do the Patriots get away with so much cheating? While teams that have no evidence of cheating like New Orleans are punished extremely based on false accusations.

Now will he use his position and power to get the Patriots off the hook? Quite possibly. Is it fair? Of course not. Thus the reason why he deserves some criticism in this matter. I could care less about Kraft and the Patriots. If Kraft or the NFL doesn't do the right thing. I'll chalk this up as nothing more than corruption from within.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Well the Vikings were tampering with balls on the sidlelines by heating them up in a 12 degree game and they got a letter of warning.

So if a 1st offense is a letter of warning, what should a 2nd offense be?

Vikings didn't know that was against the rules. If they did they wouldn't be doing from the public.

The Patriots have a history of cheating. They knew that it was against the rules and they did it anyways. Big difference.

 

[Rogah]

Good for him. No disrespect to Kraft but I could care less what he's done.

Well obvisouly you do care what he has done when you make a ridiculous statement like he has provided nothing of value to the league.

 

[Rogah]

Vikings didn't know that was against the rules.

Whose *** are you pulling that statement from? You're just totally making things up now.

The Patriots have a history of cheating. They knew that it was against the rules and they did it anyways. Big difference.

Thank you for making the haters look silly with your ridiculous statements.

You have literally taken 2 example of ball tampering and said "well the Vikings didn't know they were doing anything wrong but the Patriots did so there".

 

[ConstantReboot]

Well obvisouly you do care what he has done when you make a ridiculous statement like he has provided nothing of value to the league.

I don't care what he has done. Read what I stated. Ridiculous to you but not to me. Cheating is cheating. If he uses his position to let the Patriots off the hook I have no respect for him and his so called cheating Patriots.

When you lose your integrity you will probably never got it back. If Kraft wants to maintain his integrity he would do the right thing. If he uses his position of power to let the Patriots off the hook he is nothing more than a crook that should go down with a sinking ship.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Whose *** are you pulling that statement from? You're just totally making things up now.
Thank you for making the haters look silly with your ridiculous statements.

You have literally taken 2 example of ball tampering and said "well the Vikings didn't know they were doing anything wrong but the Patriots did so there".

I don't know why have this love affair with Kraft and the Patriots. Your being silly to say they should be left off the hook because Kraft has done great things for this league? Give me a break. Cheating is cheating.

Your example of the Vikings makes no sense because they didn't know that was against the rules and they stopped once it was brought to their attention. As for the Patriots they did know. They probably have done this thing for many years. They have a history of cheating and its been pointed out by others such as Aikman that Brady would have known. So do you think that the ball boys let out the air 2 lbs. on all the balls on their own volition? Seriously.

Big difference which it seems you don't seem to understand.

 

[Rogah]

I don't know why have this love affair with Kraft and the Patriots. Your being silly to say they should be left off the hook because Kraft has done great things for this league? Give me a break. Cheating is cheating.

That's a lame cliche. Not all examples are equal nor do all examples merit equal punishment.

Your example of the Vikings makes no sense because they didn't know that was against the rules

You're just making crap up right now.

and they stopped once it was brought to their attention. As for the Patriots they did know.

My friend, I'm trying to do you a favor here. You really sound like a complete idiot saying "oh well the Vikings didn't know they were breaking the rules but the Patriots did. So the VIkings should get a letter of reprimand but the Patriots should be suspended for all eternity."

They probably have done this thing for many years.

Whenever you have to completely make things up that there is no evidence of, it only hurts your case. You say the Patriots have probably done it for years? Well I respond that half the quarterbacks in the NFL have probably been doing it for years.

They have a history of cheating and its been pointed out by others such as Aikman that Brady would have known. So do you think that the ball boys let out the air 2 lbs. on all the balls on their own volition?

Where has it been shown that that is what happened? Seriously.