Aikman: "why do you throw that pass when Zeke just ran the ball for 8yds?"

[Toruk_Makto]

I didn't say that was the goal. Goal is to score but if the run play failed to score, the worst thing would be getting closer to new set of downs and it still keeps the clock running. For a pass play, if it failed, it stops the clock and we are no closer to getting a first down.

We didn't need to panic at that point. It wasn't like 4th down on their 15 yard line where you had to pass.

So a run play is automatically getting us closer to a new set of downs? We couldn't have been stopped for a loss? We couldn't have had a holding call? Fumble?

This is part of the thinking that fans aren't taking into consideration. Look at your own assumption just now. "The worst thing would be getting closer to a new set of downs."

Our fans are assuming that a TD was our birthright that drive and we just messed up in getting it too soon.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Or like a couple of other times they blitz the right gap and nail Zeke for a big loss and you are needing to pass for the first down.

Exactly right.

 

[Zman5]

So a run play is automatically getting us closer to a new set of downs? We couldn't have been stopped for a loss? We couldn't have had a holding call? Fumble?

This is part of the thinking that fans aren't taking into consideration. Look at your own assumption just now. "The worst thing would be getting closer to a new set of downs."

Our fans are assuming that a TD was our birthright that drive and we just messed up in getting it too soon.

And pass play could have gotten intercepted for a pick six or a holding call or a sack. So what's your point? So only bad things could have happened on a run play and not on a pass play? LOL.

 

[Zman5]

Or like a couple of other times they blitz the right gap and nail Zeke for a big loss and you are needing to pass for the first down.

Or like Dak getting intercepted or sacked trying to pass.

 

[blindzebra]

The smart thing for GB to do was insure OT and stop throwing once they got close enough, Lewis almost picked off the pass before the TD. I wonder if GB fans would be *****ing like this if we got a turnover while they were trying to win the game?

 

[blindzebra]

Or like Dak getting intercepted or sacked trying to pass.

Thus the glitch in your argument. Any play we run has the risk of something bad, we needed a TD to win and they gave us a look we got a TD on them earlier in the game.

 

[Chappy]

So a run play is automatically getting us closer to a new set of downs? We couldn't have been stopped for a loss? We couldn't have had a holding call? Fumble?

This is part of the thinking that fans aren't taking into consideration. Look at your own assumption just now. "The worst thing would be getting closer to a new set of downs."

Our fans are assuming that a TD was our birthright that drive and we just messed up in getting it too soon.

While we are at it what are your thoughts on Icing your own kicker??







Play the % FFS.

 

[Zman5]

Thus the glitch in your argument. Any play we run has the risk of something bad, we needed a TD to win and they gave us a look we got a TD on them earlier in the game.

Once again you have issues with reading the whole post. I'm talking about the better option between the two. Each has chance to succeed (score) and each has chance to fail.

The better option is the one that has less negative impact when it fails. In this situation, the run was the better option. Try to read the all the words in the posts before making dumb assumptions like you usually do.

 

[Zman5]

The smart thing for GB to do was insure OT and stop throwing once they got close enough, Lewis almost picked off the pass before the TD. I wonder if GB fans would be *****ing like this if we got a turnover while they were trying to win the game?

Yeh like GB's situation was the same as ours.

Go read what @Beast_from_East posted about how Giants lost to us doing the same thing we did. I doubt it but you might learn something.

 

[Hoofbite]

In that situation you don't need to kill the clock. You need to score. This is what people are forgetting.

If they didn't need to kill the clock then why were they trying to kill the clock?

They got nothing from the pass attempt. Nothing from a run attempt still beats nothing from a pass attempt in that situation.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

And pass play could have gotten intercepted for a pick six or a holding call or a sack. So what's your point? So only bad things could have happened on a run play and not on a pass play? LOL.

My point was they specifically liked the 1 on 1 matchup and that's why they threw. And they needed to score. And there was only 100 seconds left in the game.

While we are at it what are your thoughts on Icing your own kicker??

Play the % FFS.

This is pure irony. Because icing a kicker doesn't work. And actually the only serious analysis on the topic i've seen hapened a half decade ago and it showed that "iced" kickers actually got more accurate. That would be "playing the % FFS."

By all accounts, the evidence in favor of icing the kicker is scant at best. Kickers like Adam Vinatieri have suggested that they actually appreciate getting a practice kick in a game situation. And even if you chalk that attitude up to the famed garrulous swagger of kickers, the statistical evidence suggests that icing really has little to no effect on kickers. A study conducted by Tobias Moskowitz in the recently published book Scorecasting compared the success rates of iced kicks and non-iced kicks in key fourth-quarter situations after adjusting for the distance of the field goal. With nine years of field goals to study, Moskowitz found that when an opposing coach iced the kicker with 15 seconds or fewer left to go in the game, those kickers actually got more accurate

Source: http://grantland.com/features/icing-kicker-work/

Ironically, this article was written in discussion of the very "icing your own kicker" discussion brought on by Jason Garrett's timeout against Arizona.

I hope you learned something new today.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If they didn't need to kill the clock then why were they trying to kill the clock?

They got nothing from the pass attempt. Nothing from a run attempt still beats nothing from a pass attempt in that situation.

They weren't trying to kill the clock. They were trying to score. Hence the pass play in an advantageous situation.

 

[Zman5]

My point was they specifically liked the 1 on 1 matchup and that's why they threw. And they needed to score. And there was only 100 seconds left in the game.
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They had 100 seconds left and they had 2 timeouts. They were on GB 11 yard line with only needing 2 yards for 1st down . It wasn't like there was only 3 seconds left with no TO and they needed to go 10 yards. There was no need to panic and pass at that point in the game.

 

[Chappy]

My point was they specifically liked the 1 on 1 matchup and that's why they threw. And they needed to score. And there was only 100 seconds left in the game.



This is pure irony. Because icing a kicker doesn't work. And actually the only serious analysis on the topic i've seen hapened a half decade ago and it showed that "iced" kickers actually got more accurate. That would be "playing the % FFS."



Ironically, this article was written in discussion of the very "icing your own kicker" discussion brought on by Jason Garrett's timeout against Arizona.

I hope you learned something new today.

I understand you are fan boi and can never see us doing anything wrong and will never saying anything bad against us as a franchise but sometimes truths are needed to heard.

Each to their own but honestly i am sick of it and we are wasting what is arguably a SB winning offense that just needs help/tweaks on defense and in 5 years time we will have wasted what could of been a golden era for us due to incompetence due to poor coaching and rubbish decision making.

This is what i fear most and we need change in the coaching ranks before it is to late.

 

[DandyDon52]

This is the kind of silliness you only get in hindsight.

Don't take the touchdown necessary to go up in points with 70 seconds to play. Instead go out on the one inch line. Call a few QB kneel plays. Push the "This is easy" button for the free touchdown and go home.

This is silly.

You have to risk not scoring and running some of the time off the clock because you can't score and then hope your defense can keep Rogers from scoring and when they left him over one minute he was able to score the touchdown not a Tying field goal .
actually the better thing rather than run out at the 1-inch line would be to just go down in side the one that way the clock keeps running.
I think Green Bay only had one timeout so if anything we get them to use their time out and then we would have 3 plays cuz that would have been a first down we would have had three plays to score from the inside the one and that's a risk I would be willing to take.

 

[Bleu Star]

Pretty simple. You don't throw when the clock is a concern. A run - even a scoring run - is the right call. If you need to kill the clock, passing is a piss poor option. Always has been.

Seems pretty simple to me man...

 

[Bleu Star]

Its called situational football, you don't leave a QB like Brady, Manning, or Rogers enough time to drive and score at the end of the game. Especially considering that is how we lost the playoff game, we should have been extra aware of not leaving any time left.

You and me both know that this defense was not going to stop Rogers from at least getting into field goal range at a minimum with over a min on the clock, don't act like you expected a stop. so knowing that your defense cant get a stop, as an offense you burn clock and don't leave any time left.

Like I said, its situational football and you have decide which has a greater probability of happening. Will my defense stop Rogers with over a min left or do I take my chances that I can run a couple of times and still score. I think almost everybody would agree that the higher probability was the offense scoring over the defense getting a stop.

That is not from emotion, that is not from being misguided, that is from an honest evaluation of your defense. You ask yourself, can my defense stop Rogers from scoring with over a min left on the clock and if the answer is no, you have to use your offense to milk the clock and protect your defense.

Ahhhh. YES. That word "probability".. It fits the role of coaching so well. Kudos for reiterating so nicely.

 

[Bleu Star]

In that situation you don't need to kill the clock. You need to score. This is what people are forgetting.

You were playing Aaron Rodgers (with a suspect defense). This is what a select few people are forgetting.

 

[Bleu Star]

I’m going to take Troy Aikmans word over yours and Jason Garrett’s some people just don’t have it in big clutch moments that goes for coaches too. Garrett has brain freezes. The pass play to Dez was unacceptable. He’s done it 2 years in a row. Maybe 3rd times a charm. You don’t take a knee at the 1. But you don’t throw a jump ball to Dez. You simply run the ball on 2nd down. If zeke scores on that play at least it was the right play call and if you lose no one is 2nd guessing! End of story.

I'll gladly take Troy's word of any opposing thoughts as well. Good (not great just good...) clock management nets us a V and 3-2 going into the bye week.

 

[Bleu Star]

Troy simply just responded to the fact that the pass was incomplete. Had it gone for a TD he'd be praising the nearly 9 minute drive that put the Cowboys up 3.

Did he catch the stupid pass though?