Aikman?

[QT]

I thought Troy was bitter yesterday, anybody remember that tight end he tried out and talked the Cowboys into taking in the first round, his name escapes me but not sure that he's exactly a talent expert. Honestly he reminds me of Elway he may be great at playing QB but honestly he's not a rocket scientist thats for sure...

David LaFleur. What a mistake. Eric Bjornson was better then him. I remember I really wanted Tony Gonzales but he was drafted earlier. I wanted Dallas to trade up to get Gonzales. I remember Aikman really was high on LaFleur and also Gonzales.

 

[Juke99]

Great post Juke!

I did not hear Aikman say anything that was not true, or at least could be easily argued was true.

Honestly, I really could care less what the media thinks, or if they are biased. Who cares.

90 percent of the time they are wrong about most things anyway.

I would rather win games and stick it to them anyway. It makes it much more enjoyable.

The only exception to me is the Hall of Fame! I do care about that, and it has been a travesty.

Thanks...

I'll give ya a different perspective for all this "The media hates us" stuff...

I have a sales person...marginal performer...not great..not awful...she's constantly putting forth issues like "The company is trying to steal my accounts."..."the company is changing the specs on my jobs"..blah blah blah...I finally responded the other day "I hate to break the news to ya...you're not that important"

And that's where we are..after 5 seasons with a composite record of something like 30 wins and 50 losses, we're not that important.

 

[mperfection]

Every time I take you to task you run and hide.

No, I don't think Troy is the least bit bitter. I'd share plenty of evidence why but why bother?

What did you say to the bear to get the taste of paw?

Actually, I'm not an Aikman fan either and genuinely think he benefits more from (supposed) star appeal rather than raw talent for the job. Granted, he seems to be "growing" into the job, because the past 4 years have been an absolute waste of money from Fox on his job.

 

[Chuck 54]

It seem to me after listening to the game that he was pulling for the Chargers.

He came across as a bit of a jerk...he even supported the Chargers on some calls and non-calls when he was clearly wrong.

I watched the Commanders game where Moose was in the box, and he sounded like a freakin' Commander fan...Theismann couldn't have been more annoying to me. He's got a serious love for Ramsey.

However, they are both former Cowboys, one calling a Commanders game, one calling the Cowboys game. They are both recognized as very good announcers...I think they went a little out of their way to be unbiased, and it showed.

 

[Hostile]

You and I watched the same game, listended to the same commentary, ... but came away with different opinions of the announcers.

Like I said earlier, some agree with you, some with me.

Bring on the Commanders.

There are very few announcers that I simply can't stand. For the most part they are just guys trying to do a very difficult job. They do it better than you or I could and I am pretty sure much better than 99.9% of the people who profess to hate them.

Some people simply rub you the wrong way. Berman does this for me. I can't stand the way he says Raiduhs like he's throwing up. Thiesman does this for me. I don't need to explain why. I know Commanders fans who can't stand him.

It's the same way for print reporters. I find it hard to dislike them because what they do is provide me with a service that feeds my addiction to football. I laugh at people who think they can do better because I read their posts and no they couldn't. They couldn't come close 99% of the time.

For most people the dislike boils down to they disagree with the announcer or reporters stance on a given subject. I simply can't judge them that way. If other can that's their business. Thus when Aikman is doing his job and some of his comments are negative towards the Cowboys I can't take it personally because I would prefer he be critical of the Cowboys at times than to be a Joe Thiesman version for the Cowboys.

I not only think he isn't on that side of the fence I don't think he's even approached the road where you can see the fence.

 

[Hostile]

Actually, I'm not an Aikman fan either and genuinely think he benefits more from (supposed) star appeal rather than raw talent for the job. Granted, he seems to be "growing" into the job, because the past 4 years have been an absolute waste of money from Fox on his job.

No way I'll ever agree on this. When he first hit the screen I felt he was dang good. Now I consider him the best out there for color and 2nd best is a ways behind him. It has nothing to do with him being a former Cowboy either.

 

[Badattitude]

No way I'll ever agree on this. When he first hit the screen I felt he was dang good. Now I consider him the best out there for color and 2nd best is a ways behind him. It has nothing to do with him being a former Cowboy either.

dang?

Troy is nowhere near Phil Simms - who is a superior color guy.

 

[Hostile]

dang?

Troy is nowhere near Phil Simms - who is a superior color guy.

I consider Simms 2nd best.

Mind you these are opinions. They are not quanitfiable. For my money Aikman is more informative and entertaining.

 

[Badattitude]

I consider Simms 2nd best.

Mind you these are opinions. They are not quanitfiable. For my money Aikman is more informative and entertaining.

Ok - just like my opinion is that Troy has a bit of an AX to grind with JJ.....I think Troy tells a lotta "JJ & Switzer" jokes at cocktail parties....."Oh yeah Switzer would come in 45 mins late and ask the coaches what we did in practice ....blah blah ..."I can see it now!

 

[Hostile]

Ok - just like my opinion is that Troy has a bit of an AX to grind with JJ.....I think Troy tells a lotta "JJ & Switzer" jokes at cocktail parties....."Oh yeah Switzer would come in 45 mins late and ask the coaches what we did in practice ....blah blah ..."I can see it now!

I offered to show you plenty of proof that Aikman doesn't have an axe to grind and you ran away. Now you wanna play catch?

Make up your mind.

Just one for your gee whiz I'm wrong again collection...which former Cowboys QB was asked to attend Drew Henson's private workout?

Yeah, there's bad blood.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It seem to me after listening to the game that he was pulling for the Chargers.

It sounded the same to me too.

 

[blindzebra]

When you have a situation like this Troy is dealing with a degree of conflict of interest.

So many announcers wear their homerism on their sleeve and make no attempt to be objective when they call their former team. Aikman is trying to be a professional and he tends to be over compensating whenever the Cowboys are playing.

 

[Juke99]

It sounded the same to me too.

Uh, examples please?

I didn't hear anything of the sort and have watched the game twice.

How's it going MW?

 

[blindzebra]

Uh, examples please?

I didn't hear anything of the sort and have watched the game twice.

How's it going MW?

He commented that Newman got away with a PI once, that must be the reason.

 

[AbeBeta]

man, troy can't catch a break in this forum. you'd think Henson was calling the game.

 

[Juke99]

He commented that Newman got away with a PI once, that must be the reason.

He also said that Jammer was clearly guilty of his two penalties, to paraphrase "Each WR has a ref watching. You simply can't do that stuff"

He also commented that Jammer has to learn to release the wr sooner.

And he said the call roughing the passer was a legit call because the SD defender went to the head.

Now, he could have said, "Oh, those were marginal calls"..."The refs handed the game to Dallas" THEN, I'd say the suspicions were legit.

He didn't say any of this.

It's TOTALLY bogus to claim he has an axe to grind.

 

[Rogerthat12]

When you have a situation like this Troy is dealing with a degree of conflict of interest.

So many announcers wear their homerism on their sleeve and make no attempt to be objective when they call their former team. Aikman is trying to be a professional and he tends to be over compensating whenever the Cowboys are playing.

After listening again to the broadcast I do think Aikman was overcompensating and overstating criticism of the Cowboys. I have noticed this before in previous broadcasts and it indeed is the case at times. It is fine to be critical as an analyst but it must be proportional if both teams are currently demonstrating poor play and decision making during the particular game.

I do understand no one is "objective", for we are all subjects and our perspectives are "subjectively" conditioned. Though one should in a professional vocation as such seek to offer critical and comparative analysis that is fair and honest to the best of one's ability. I too have a distaste for "homer" perspectives especially provided by former players in the media. Aikman has done well in his new career to distance himself from this type of trait especially in light of former teammates making this very mistake.

If he were not doing so in this particular game, then he easily could of and should of been very critical of a faltering (due to their 12-4 record last year) Chargers team that made substantial mistakes as well. This does not mean I think some of Aikman's criticisms were not warranted but it did appear to me that he was unilaterally critical of the team.

However, I do think Aikman is an outstanding color analyst and approaches his craft with professionalism. I also think he has been rightly critical of Dallas over the years because of their poor decision making and performance. However, to avoid the either/or fallacy in logic, one could properly say "yes" at times his distancing himself from Dallas lends itself to an over critical approach when covering the team. Yet, at the same time "No" many times his criticisms of our team are absolutely correct even if it slaps our homer perspective in the face.

I do not agree with many of his criticisms of our current team but I do agree with other criticisms he has made that unfortunately undeniably true.
To me this is a both/and not a matter of an either/or..point is that Aikman overall is outstanding IMO

 

[mperfection]

I consider Simms 2nd best.

Mind you these are opinions. They are not quanitfiable. For my money Aikman is more informative and entertaining.

To use your own words, this is nothing but opinion! NO WAY is Aikman better than Phil Simms as a color analyst. Actually, I think that Darryl Johnston is better than Aikman as a color analyst, and was so from the beginning. Like I said earlier, Aikman is getting better...I still think the ONLY reason he got the job from the outset is because of his (supposed) star appeal. No way was the talent there at the beginning.

 

[Hostile]

To use your own words, this is nothing but opinion! NO WAY is Aikman better than Phil Simms as a color analyst. Actually, I think that Darryl Johnston is better than Aikman as a color analyst, and was so from the beginning. Like I said earlier, Aikman is getting better...I still think the ONLY reason he got the job from the outset is because of his (supposed) star appeal. No way was the talent there at the beginning.

I respect your opinion, but do not agree at all.