All 22: How the Giants stopped the run

[Yoshimitsu]

He's been hovering below average run blocking for a couple years. This is what confuses me as to why the team won't go out and find a strong run blocking TE while reducing Witten's snaps. At least from 99% down to 75-80%.

They think hes some kind of machine.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

I'm not sure on the Dak/Weeden/Cassel thing. We played a lot of close games last year that came down to the last possession or two even with Weeden and Cassel playing. I think Dak definitely looks better than they did, but they were only part of the problem last year. The biggest issue is less about the QB who is back there and more about the QB that isn't.

fair point. i still think Dak gives us that extra edge. we did get blasted by carolina and the pats but played seahawks close (speaking of food Ds)

everyone knows we can't open up the run with the passing game. dak makes them just a bit hesitant because of who he is and they dont have much tape on him. they do with weeden n cassel.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

This game against the Skins is going to be very telling, they don't have near the D-line that the Giants have so if they shut our running game down, we are in trouble.

for sure. good point.

 

[gmoney112]

Can you please list Marrinelli's proven success as a dc, when he has absolutely no talent. His reputation as a DC was built when he had stars on the defense. He has players that would be back ups, at best, on an average defense. Marrineli hasn't done a darn thin without defensive star players.

Every good defense has stars. In fact, a lot of teams have stars and still don't crack top 5. In fact, most NFL teams in general have some. The talent level in Chicago wasn't even that stacked for what was the most opportunistic defense for a few years running.

Only in Dallas.

 

[Nightman]

In the past, the Cowboys have been better running from 3 wide than from 2 TE or Jumbo (3 TE) sets.

I would prefer to split the Slot WR out as far as possible or motion him out wide and then run from 3 wide. If the defenders are out wide in coverage you don't even have to block them.

It seemed like a ton of Murray's carries were sprint draws, not from the 12 personnel package

At least 4-5 of Elliott's carries were on 3rd and 1 it seemed

 

[LatinMind]

It tells a story about our Oline and TE's blocking acumen that is unarguably the biggest takeaway from this New York biased article. The tackling by the rest of the Giants was outstanding and should also be noted.
IMO EElliot was a little anxious upon hitting those holes and their was still "some meat on that bone" if he could of been a little more patient, like others have pointed out when Alfred Morris came into the game. To still be in this game with less than a minute is a real testament to the rookie QB and his lack of turnovers and poise in the pocket. I still say the best thing about this game is that QB is off the table for next year's draft board even after this disappointing loss, we have some talent to work with in Prescott and the sooner he gets some seasoning the nightmare he will be for defensive coordinators will deepen for the NFC east.

This ol and Witten are the best in the league at blocking. this picture right here says it all you dont need all22 to know why they stopped the run.

5 giants 4 blockers.

Bad coaching.

 

[ondaedg]

It doesn't matter if we had an entire line of all-pros. When the defense can tee off on you because your offense is predictable, you're going to run for 50 yds on 21 carries.

 

[Macnalty]

Keep away only works if you actually put the ball in the endzone. If not, you are just shortening the game for your own chances to come back. It's the strategy that failed against the Giants in the playoffs in 2007.

It took us about 30 plays to start the game to net 6pts. The Giants needed about 6 plays to net 7 points. That's pretty demoralizing to the players and fans.

You can moan all you want, that Giants defense was impressive compared to what they fielded last year and their tackling was excellent. As a coach you scheme differently with a rookie QB and not allow him too much off the leash, he had enough supporting cast to bring in a win they just failed to play to the QB's level of play. With a rookie QB, you need to have realistic expectations for a fourth rd draft pick. I think the strategy was fine to still be in the game with one play left especially after the Oline fell flat for most of the game. This was not a game Dak lost, the offense had opportunities to be special and they failed. If Tony was available and in the game I believe it would have been a very different offensive plan like you mentioned.

It doesn't matter if we had an entire line of all-pros. When the defense can tee off on you because your offense is predictable, you're going to run for 50 yds on 21 carries.

I was a fan during the nineties when the cowboys imposed their will on defenses, everyone knew Emmitt was about to be unleashed up the middle and yet there was little defenses could do to slow down the train. It was incredibly effective as we also had a QB in Aikman that was very accurate, and would make teams pay for loading the box. It all seemed so easy back then. There was a redheaded backup QB that was immersed in that culture, and IMO he still strives for that combination here in 2016.

 

[Macnalty]

This ol and Witten are the best in the league at blocking. this picture right here says it all you dont need all22 to know why they stopped the run.

5 giants 4 blockers.

Bad coaching.

This Oline may be the best in the league the fact remains their play did not exhibit that form on Sunday.

 

[gmoney112]

Talent, something we don't believe in on defense, and the Weeden/Cassel blueprint gameplan. Nothing really special about it.

Hey, remember when everyone laughed at how dumb the Giants were for overspending getting two premium DL players just entering their primes for the twilight of Eli's career?

And they still have almost 10 million in cap space on us.

You take an offense that's 31st in the league without Tony Romo, and put them against a talented defense, that's what happens.

 

[LatinMind]

This Oline may be the best in the league the fact remains their play did not exhibit that form on Sunday.

when they have more people to block then you can handle its not on the OL. its on the coaches for not adjusting. Quick throws or playaction. some delays. you know everything the giants were doing?

 

[LatinMind]

Talent, something we don't believe in on defense, and the Weeden/Cassel blueprint gameplan. Nothing really special about it.

Hey, remember when everyone laughed at how dumb the Giants were for overspending getting two premium DL players just entering their primes for the twilight of Eli's career?

And they still have almost 10 million in cap space on us.

You take an offense that's 31st in the league without Tony Romo, and put them against a talented defense, that's what happens.

last yr was the same thing. matter of fact this happens quite often vs NFCE teams. They all know eachother so these games look ugly. This was the same thing in reverse from last yr. NY looked ugly and still almost won but dallas won it at the end.

 

[Macnalty]

when they have more people to block then you can handle its not on the OL. its on the coaches for not adjusting. Quick throws or playaction. some delays. you know everything the giants were doing?

We have a rookie QB with accuracy problems, I think the safer play should win out. Sometimes you have to stay within the hand that you are dealt and not perform seppuku.

 

[LatinMind]

We have a rookie QB with accuracy problems, I think the safer play should win out. Sometimes you have to stay within the hand that you are dealt and not perform seppuku.

accuracy problems? just because theres an incomplete doesnt mean theres accuracy problems. The majority of his throws were there. NY played good defense and Dez and Beasley had 4 drops between them. Giants def is recorded as having 4 pass defensed. Thats 8 passes that were there. Oh yeah add in TW's 2 drops thats 10 pass attempts. So that will drop your "accuracy" as fans like to put it down dont you think?

 

[dreghorn2]

They think hes some kind of machine.

Nope, just BFF with the coach.

 

[Macnalty]

accuracy problems? just because theres an incomplete doesnt mean theres accuracy problems. The majority of his throws were there. NY played good defense and Dez and Beasley had 4 drops between them. Giants def is recorded as having 4 pass defensed. Thats 8 passes that were there. Oh yeah add in TW's 2 drops thats 10 pass attempts. So that will drop your "accuracy" as fans like to put it down dont you think?

Just to my eye he has accuracy problems some high throws, some short, and some to the wrong shoulder. This was a known issue with him in college. I think it is correctable and he has thrown better this rookie year than he delivered in college. He has so much poise in the pocket which is skill no coach can teach, we really are lucky to have this guy.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/dak-prescott?id=2555260

 

[DandyDon1722]

Biggest takeaways:

-TE's couldn't block their DEs

-The defense seemed to know what we were doing most of the time which didn't help.

-Zeke's inexperience and lack of reps showed, yet his natural ability seemed to get positive yards each time.

That's about it. Man, Witt was just terrible this game.

 

[plasticman]

Bottom line, the Cowboys did not execute. They played poorly and that is why they lost.

It is generally accepted that a team must run well on 1st and ten if they want to run successfully through a game.

I repeat this stat:

Ezekiel Elliot ran ten times on first and ten for a total of 14 yards. He was tackled by a defensive lineman every single time.

The Cowboy outside receivers also played poorly. They did not elevate their play for a rookie quarterback. Bryant was especially disappointing.