but we can agree to disagree, as for the rest; well in my reply to your original post i tried to point out some of the reasons why it took so long for some of these guys to reach a SB because it was not a cut and dry as you tried to make it appear, Like Simms for example who missed 44 games his 1st few seasons Or Young who had to spend years behind Montana before getting his shot, after that i tried to point out that alot of these QB also made it the the Championship games before finally getting to the SB (something our QB can't seem to accomplish) As for Theisman and Young you are correct i had my facts wrong about you using all of their career (my mistake), although in Steve Young's case he spent one year out of his 1st 6 as a starter, the rest he was a backup, so trying to say it took him 9 years is not really fair, especially when you consider he was backing up Joe Montana for 4 of those season. But trying to compare Dak to QB's like Manning or Brees or Young....I just don't see it, regardless of how long it may have taken them to win a SB, comparing the talent level of Dak to guys like them is ridiculous