All the doom and gloom folks

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well you didn't show up...that's alright as valley ranch has heard our cry with Cassel, CM, and Lal getting the potential starting nod. Next time give me a shout if you're not going to make it I wasted a perfectly good Ribeye!

My bad. No excuse, at all, for wasting a good steak.

 

[Silver N Blue]

My bad. No excuse, at all, for wasting a good steak.

Ya no biggy the security guard wanted to know why i was tailgating two weeks before the next game..

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ya no biggy the security guard wanted to know why i was tailgating two weeks before the next game..

Tell him you are the new All State Mayhem guy and you are trying to get ready for your next commercial.

 

[fortdick]

You'll have to show me where folks on this board wanted to get rid of Payton. I've heard this mentioned by a poster or two and it's bogus.

You must not have been around then. I have no inclination to show you, and I doubt the search function will go back that far.

I get the feeling you are calling me a liar.

 

[Dodger12]

You must not have been around then. I have no inclination to show you, and I doubt the search function will go back that far.

I get the feeling you are calling me a liar.

I've been around for many years. I'm not calling you a liar and yes, the search function will go back that far. You're mistaken. No one even knew who "officially" called the plays back then but everyone knew Parcells' conservative gamestyle was all over the offense. No one blamed Payton and no one wanted him gone since most folks knew he was handicapped by BP. Matter of fact, go to the Seattle playoff game. No one blamed the OC at the time; Parcells took all the heat because he was the one calling the shots. To compare Payton's situation to Zimmer's is an error on your part. It doesn't make you a liar, it just makes you wrong.

By the way, if I thought someone called me a liar or insinuated such, I'd certainly back my position up. But hey, that's just me.

 

[Dodger12]

You must not have been around then. I have no inclination to show you, and I doubt the search function will go back that far.

I get the feeling you are calling me a liar.

Here's a short thread from 2005. Notice the repsonses when the Op tried to blame Payton. I'll find more when I have time but they are there.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/what-really-lost-this-game-sean-payton.38789/

 

[fortdick]

Here's a short thread from 2005. Notice the repsonses when the Op tried to blame Payton. I'll find more when I have time but they are there.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/what-really-lost-this-game-sean-payton.38789/

So, I said people were blaming Payton and you point to a thread where some one was blaming Payton as proof I was wrong? Is that how it works?


Five comments are not reflective of what was going on at the time. I should be swayed by your opinion rather than what I remember? That won't happen. I don't believe in revisionism, although many try to employ it.

 

[Dodger12]

So, I said people were blaming Payton and you point to a thread where some one was blaming Payton as proof I was wrong? Is that how it works?

Well, it works when you don't change your story. So now your story is folks "blamed" Payton? That's not what I responded to. You claimed that folks had a "Get Rid of Payton" chant and used the GROZ movemement, of which I was proud member, as comparison and claimed he was despised by "most on this board". That's not accurate and I'm correcting you. Here, let me give you your quote in case you don't remember:

I remember the Get Rid Of Payton chant when he was our OC. He and Zimmer were dispised by most on this board.

Five comments are not reflective of what was going on at the time. I should be swayed by your opinion rather than what I remember? That won't happen. I don't believe in revisionism, although many try to employ it.

Oh I can go on with more links but it's on you to prove that Payton was despised by most on this board. Folks may have questioned some play calling but many praised it as well but everyone knew who was running the show: Parcells. I mean, Payton was so poorly regarded that he was offered and turned down at least one NFL coaching job that we know of.

Of course, you can't be swayed because it'll make your underlying argument regarding Garrett invalid and we just can't let that happen.

 

[FXMASTER]

Hey all:
New here. Did the right thing w/ a first post in the intro forum.

Want to chime in on your/our backup QB situation....and who should be. Weeden...All the arm in the world, no accuracy past 20 yds, and no touch under it. The reason he kicked butt at OSU was because of his receivers. The reason he failed in Cleveland was no receivers, no running game, and a large load of crap in his pants from having no oline. Have already seen several times nearly give cowboy receivers concussions from impact w/ the facemask after blasting through their hands and overthrow wide open guys down field.

Mccoy was affected only by the Onile, running game and receivers issue in Cleveland. In his rookie year where he was never supposed to start, he lead the league in dropped passes...yep hit them in the hands and dropped them like hot rocks. That, only when he wasnt getting hammered in the backfield in less than 2 seconds. Second year saw him get a new HC, OC and playbook w/ no improvement in RB,WR,TE,Oline. Year 3 they draft Weeden thinking that a 300wm can overcome all other deficiencies on offense. On to SF...new HC,OC,playbook. Not gonna beat out a a guy w/ multiple years in the same playbook, and a 300wm on his shoulder. Let go because there is a miss conception that you have to have a 300wm on your shoulder to make it in this league. On to Washington...New HC,OC,Playbook, No QB coach!! Owner would not allow anyone else but RGIII to start unless he gets physically broken..Ding. Next man up...Cousins probably the right decision at the time...untill Tennessee. Mccoy comes in w/ NO practice w/ the first team offense and wins the game. Next week Dallas. After 1 week of practice w/ the first team and all the mental turmoil of your first start being a monday night game. Does enough to get it done w/ a good defensive performance, a rungame and OLine that did their part. The stats he put up against the colts are what you can expect from him when the OLine RB's and Wr's are working as hard as he does. All indications in 2015 camp was that he was outperforming both RGIII and Cousins. I think the preseason also proved it. He is actually a perfect backup for Tony. He is mobile, has great pocket awareness. Makes good decisions on the run. Can protect himself on the run. I think it is highly likely that the skins could possibly be undefeated this season if they had started Mccoy. If Mccoy was your backup in his second year in the playbook learning from Tony, our boys might still be undefeated this year.
Apologize for being long winded.

 

[fortdick]

Well, it works when you don't change your story. So now your story is folks "blamed" Payton? That's not what I responded to. You claimed that folks had a "Get Rid of Payton" chant and used the GROZ movemement, of which I was proud member, as comparison and claimed he was despised by "most on this board". That's not accurate and I'm correcting you. Here, let me give you your quote in case you don't remember:





Oh I can go on with more links but it's on you to prove that Payton was despised by most on this board. Folks may have questioned some play calling but many praised it as well but everyone knew who was running the show: Parcells. I mean, Payton was so poorly regarded that he was offered and turned down at least one NFL coaching job that we know of.

Of course, you can't be swayed because it'll make your underlying argument regarding Garrett invalid and we just can't let that happen.

I am sorry. Did something I say make you believe that I cared if you agree or not? Because I would like to get that straight right now. I don't. You can repeatedly tell me what I know to be true is incorrect and chase me around demanding I prove my point, but I don't have to. I know what I know and you can just scream you are right and I am wrong all day! I get to post any way!

America is a great country!

 

[Dodger12]

I am sorry. Did something I say make you believe that I cared if you agree or not? Because I would like to get that straight right now. I don't. You can repeatedly tell me what I know to be true is incorrect and chase me around demanding I prove my point, but I don't have to. I know what I know and you can just scream you are right and I am wrong all day! I get to post any way!

America is a great country!

Oh listen, I really don't care if you agree or disagree. I didn't send you a PM or respond to you in private or in a vacuum. Everyone can see. You can post BS and I really don't give two shakes of a monkey's ***. I post as much for others to see and they can chose to agree or disagree with me which they do on occasion in both instances. I post something factual and I try to have something to back it up. You decide otherwise. Hey, it's the internet and you're anonymous but your screen name should still have some credibility attached to it whether folks agree with you or not. Otherwise, you're just posting to hear your own keystrokes. Post away. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[fortdick]

Oh listen, I really don't care if you agree or disagree. I didn't send you a PM or respond to you in private or in a vacuum. Everyone can see. You can post BS and I really don't give two shakes of a monkey's ***. I post as much for others to see and they can chose to agree or disagree with me which they do on occasion in both instances. I post something factual and I try to have something to back it up. You decide otherwise. Hey, it's the internet and you're anonymous but your screen name should still have some credibility attached to it whether folks agree with you or not. Otherwise, you're just posting to hear your own keystrokes. Post away. Ignorance is bliss.

You are like a stalker.