All the Marbles in the Romo Bag

[StarBoyz83]

Hoping Dallas can put a good enough team around Romo to win it all in the 2017-18 or 2018-19 season.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Rebuttal: QB selected at #4 does nothing and adds nothing to us getting to the SB in the next two years. QB selected
this year will hold a clipboard, sitting on the sidelines, and eating up cap space for little benefit. DT would be valuable along with
a catalytic DE but, Bosa ain't that and there is no one that would rate investing that much cap in because none are elite there.
RB is not valued highly I agree but, this year Zeke is the one least risk, high upside player in the top ten who could dramatically
help us get to the SB during Romo's last hurrah. Witten and Romo don't have long to make it and now is time to push
Jerry's chips in the middle and Zeke helps Romo, the offense and keeps the defense off the field especially in the 4th quarter.

In my opinion, this is not how you conduct a draft.

A draft is not about filling in the holes to make a run this year or next year, that is what free agency is for. The draft is for the long-term building of the franchise. Especially in the first round, you are getting cornerstone players that will be key contributors for the next 10 years.

That makes the decision simple for me, I go QB far and away over any other position this year...........just my personal opinion.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That assumes so much. That he was not playing well enough to win games up until the injury or decision to retire,

Just realize this draft pick Dallas has is the first since 1989 where the team came by it naturally without a trade. Go read the Bob Sturm article on how this pick has more intrinsic value than any we've had in decades because of how it was gained, the circumstances the team is in, and this pick should be one that secures the face of this franchise into the next decade.

Then go look at the bridge this team had after Aikman and before Romo.

Two words sum it up.

Quincy Carter.

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I don't see the need to dramatize it. There are a limited amount of blue chip prospects. The QBs who are the rarest commodity and the most influential to game outcomes. Then all of the position to help or stop the QB. OT, DE, CB, WR. People used to have RB up there but no more.

Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, or one of the QBs. Do not reach for a WR, QB, or any other position if the blue chips are gone. Just because they need to put more emphasis on drafting QB does not mean that one has to be drafted in the first round.

 

[Craig]

I will be ok if they take a qb, but they do not need to take a qb just because this is their best opportunity to take one of the first few off the board. It doesnt matter if you take a qb at 4 or 20, it just matters if theyre good enough. If you dont like the qb available at your pick, dont draft them.

If they think goff wentz and lynch are all capable of carrying the franchise though, they probably need to take the best one of them thats available.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Disagree, The Cowboy's coaching staff would have to be able to put that QB standing on the sidelines in the game with a chance to win.
Does anyone on the board think our coaching staff has the ability to develop a QB to win. I don't... We know that Gary Brown has
some ability to develop a RB to be successful. Garrett and the QB coach...not so much!

I will agree with you there my friend, depending on Garrett and Wade Wilson to develop a QB is laughable.

That is why most want either Goff or Wentz, because all the other QBs need development time and that is a futile effort as long as Coach Clapper is here. That is why we need a QB that is as close to a finished product as possible, the least amount of developing the better.

And if we flat out cant get either Goff or Wentz, then I would probably go with your boy Zeke as well. I don't see any defensive players in this draft that are difference makers. Bosa cant get sacks and Ramsey has hands of stone. Not exactly "catalytic" players.

 

[LittleD]

I will agree with you there my friend, depending on Garrett and Wade Wilson to develop a QB is laughable.

That is why most want either Goff or Wentz, because all the other QBs need development time and that is a futile effort as long as Coach Clapper is here. That is why we need a QB that is as close to a finished product as possible, the least amount of developing the better.

And if we flat out cant get either Goff or Wentz, then I would probably go with your boy Zeke as well. I don't see any defensive players in this draft that are difference makers. Bosa cant get sacks and Ramsey has hands of stone. Not exactly "catalytic" players.

From your replies, I know you favor taking a QB but, you have to know that the likelihood of one of the top two QB's at the #4 position is almost nil now. I would suspect that
another team will be looking to move up to 2 or 3 to take whomever the Rams don't. That leaves us with the choice of Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey or Zeke IMHO. You also know where
I stand because I've been waiting 20 years for an opportunity to get to the big dance and we can worry about the future 3 or 4 years from now. Zeke all the way!

 

[Beast_from_East]

From your replies, I know you favor taking a QB but, you have to know that the likelihood of one of the top two QB's at the #4 position is almost nil now. I would suspect that
another team will be looking to move up to 2 or 3 to take whomever the Rams don't. That leaves us with the choice of Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey or Zeke IMHO. You also know where
I stand because I've been waiting 20 years for an opportunity to get to the big dance and we can worry about the future 3 or 4 years from now. Zeke all the way!

Yea, its looking like both QBs will be gone so I would agree with you and take Zeke.

Lets just pray that Romo doesn't get hurt, because we are not winning a single game with Kellen freaking Moore and his noodle arm and that's all we got right now.

 

[LittleD]

Yea, its looking like both QBs will be gone so I would agree with you and take Zeke.

Lets just pray that Romo doesn't get hurt, because we are not winning a single game with Kellen freaking Moore and his noodle arm and that's all we got right now.

There will be some QB's experienced that will hit the market before the season. Hoyer from Houston just released today. Don't worry...Lots of things can go wrong
before this season is over. Some things could go right for a change too!

 

[DandyDon52]

How about we draft elliot rd 1 and henry rd 2 lol
keep morris and McF, and just run 9 times out of every 10 plays !!!!!
Use a 2 RB formation, and have one go one way and the other guy to the other side.
unstoppable!

 

[Beast_from_East]

How about we draft elliot rd 1 and henry rd 2 lol
keep morris and McF, and just run 9 times out of every 10 plays !!!!!
Use a 2 RB formation, and have one go one way and the other guy to the other side.
unstoppable!

Wishbone baby!!!!!!

 

[DandyDon52]

Wishbone baby!!!!!!

yep only wishbone offenses didnt usually have a good pass game to use, but when they did they were good.
Also the 70's miami team used the 2 RB formation I think , morris and csonka and another guy.

unfortunately JG's only 2 back formation will be RB and FB with FB blocking and rarely catching a pass.

 

[conner01]

To what benefit. The only way a rookie QB improves is game experience. He can look at Romo till the cows come home and
it wouldn't help that much unless you have a QB guru coach on the team which the Cowboys don't.

I think a young guy can learn a lot watching. He doesn't finish his development till he plays but a guy can learn to read defenses from the sideline and that's a very important part of the position

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I want Romo to get a SB as much as the next guy, but lets be real here...the odds of this current team winning the SB are extremely slim. I'd rather start building for the future than to put all the eggs in this year's basket, and blow a real chance to get Romo's eventual (hopefully) heir.

Say we don't make a SB run the next two year, and then Romo retires. Then what? We have to have another 4-12 season or worse to get another draft pick like we have now?

I say go for the QB now while we have a real shot at one, and then build for this coming season with the remaining picks. Said QB can then learn behind one of the best in the game for a year or two.

There is this myth that a team needs to be in contention every year...forever. That hasn't been true for any team....ever

I have no problem with taking the best talent available while trying to maximize a super bowl "window" and then bottoming out and starting over.

Or we could reach for a QB just because....and then we can ask the Browns how that has worked out.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Can we also talk about this supposed inability for JG and Wade to develop a QB?

What young player have we had in our program for an appreciable amount of time that we can consider their success or failure based on the development work or lack thereof from this duo?

Oh wait...for Wade...that would be.....Tony Romo. Wade came in the year after Romo became the starter. Are we pretending that Romo isn't a better QB today than he was in 2007?

Jason Garrett came to the Cowboys also in 2007 a year after Romo became the starter. Are we pretending that Romo isn't a better QB today than he was in 2007?

As for other qbs on the roster we've either gone with expensive Vets who would be beyond their developmental state or untalented guys found off the scrap heap. This narrative that we can't develop qbs seems to have been derived from last year because Brandon Weeden and Kellen Moore didn't lead a flawed Cowboys team to the motherland. Weeden is so talented that in a qb starved league he just got a 2 year 4M contract. Moore is an undrafted guy who doesn't have the physical talent to play in this league as a high end starter.

People are entitled to their own opinion. But not their own facts.

 

[plasticman]

We ate deluding ourselves if we think Romo will last all season.

This is the point in a productive QB career where the injury risk is very high, last 2014 was fortunate but all other seasons since 2010 there have been issues.

Count on our backup to start in close to half of the games. A #4 overall pick as a quarterback would see significant time on the field.

I dont want it but all the signs are there. At Romo's age, you dont come close to a full recovery aftet two breaks to the same bone.

 

[MikeT22]

Rebuttal: QB selected at #4 does nothing and adds nothing to us getting to the SB in the next two years. QB selected
this year will hold a clipboard, sitting on the sidelines, and eating up cap space for little benefit. DT would be valuable along with
a catalytic DE but, Bosa ain't that and there is no one that would rate investing that much cap in because none are elite there.
RB is not valued highly I agree but, this year Zeke is the one least risk, high upside player in the top ten who could dramatically
help us get to the SB during Romo's last hurrah. Witten and Romo don't have long to make it and now is time to push
Jerry's chips in the middle and Zeke helps Romo, the offense and keeps the defense off the field especially in the 4th quarter.

short-sighted thinking

 

[ryanbabs]

We have the number four pick, a rare thing for us and the time to pick THE impact player for the next decade. Of all the players that Dallas can pick what position would have the most every down impact and controls the play. This criteria should be driving the Cowboys with the 4th overall pick.

Defense:
1. DL is by far the most impact full unit that controls the defensive game every play.
2. LB is the next group that will be involved if the DL misses the QB or RB.
3. Secondary is called that because it is the last line of defense and if the first two do not do their job it is their job to stop the run or pass.

Offense:
1. The QB is the player that is not only THE most impact full player every down but controls the season. (Romo now but the other two as draft picks, this one controls season)
2. The OL is the next who impacts every play either Run or Pass, they keep the QB in play and keep him verticle and prolongs his career time. (This one is good already in my opinion)
3. The next is a toss up between RB and WR, depending on the character of the offense
4. TE depending if his value is the blocking scheme or passing game

My order of value at number 4 is as follows:
1. QB - Future of Cowboys, back up to Romo, play maker, reads defenses, calls right play. ( Wentz and Goff but no other)
2. DT - Defense wins championships (Bosa)
3. RB - Controls pace of game, keeps Defense off field, stops blitzer, keeps chain moving, scores TD (Henry)
4. Secondary - Helps to produce sacks, turn overs, allows the front seven to make plays (Ramsey)
5. WR - Moves chain, keeps games going, TDs. (Best player available)

What scares me more than anything is that we are here two years later, nothing to show recently, Romo ready to retire and we still don't have our next franchise QB. Seen this movie before and it sucked.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Rebuttal: QB selected at #4 does nothing and adds nothing to us getting to the SB in the next two years. QB selected
this year will hold a clipboard, sitting on the sidelines, and eating up cap space for little benefit. DT would be valuable along with
a catalytic DE but, Bosa ain't that and there is no one that would rate investing that much cap in because none are elite there.
RB is not valued highly I agree but, this year Zeke is the one least risk, high upside player in the top ten who could dramatically
help us get to the SB during Romo's last hurrah. Witten and Romo don't have long to make it and now is time to push
Jerry's chips in the middle and Zeke helps Romo, the offense and keeps the defense off the field especially in the 4th quarter.

To be fair, he did say "Decade" so I do think QB is definitely in the discussion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Easy answer... Zeke.

1) He'll allow our OL to return to form by returning to us to our true identity. Running the ball!
2) He'll open up the passing game, by having teams fear our running game. Thus allowing Romo to return to his 2014 MVP form
3) He's the best blocking RB in the draft. So, he'll insure Romo last the entire season by picking up any "trash" that gets past the OL.
4) He'll prolong Romo's career by taking the ball out of his hands so he'll take less hits.
5) He'll keep our entire D on the sideline the majority of the game. It doesn't matter how bad a D is,, if they're spending the majority of the game on the sideline.

Name me one player in this entire draft that has that big an impact. Other players will/can make us better, but Zeke makes us contenders.

I think most of what you say here is true but I would disagree, somewhat, with the Romo will be on the field part. We hope he will be but we don't know for sure that he will be. Recent history would suggest that this is not a given. We could have any player in this draft but the Romo on the field issue is still a question mark. He's just at that stage of his career.