All the Marbles in the Romo Bag

[hornitosmonster]

Neither of the top 2 QB' will be there. Highly doubtful that the Browns trade out of the #2.

 

[LittleD]

That assumes so much. That he was not playing well enough to win games up until the injury or decision to retire,

Just realize this draft pick Dallas has is the first since 1989 where the team came by it naturally without a trade. Go read the Bob Sturm article on how this pick has more intrinsic value than any we've had in decades because of how it was gained, the circumstances the team is in, and this pick should be one that secures the face of this franchise into the next decade.

Then go look at the bridge this team had after Aikman and before Romo.

Two words sum it up.

Quincy Carter.

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I understand fully what you are saying and of course there are lots of assumptions whichever way the FO goes. I'm just saying that after looking at film on
both Goff and Wentz, I just don't see Aikman or Andrew Luck. We have a chance this year with Zeke and Romo if both stay healthy so I'm ready to throw
my chips and those of Jerry in the middle on one hand of Texas Holdum and try and get the brass ring. I'll let two or three years down the line take care of
themselves. It's been 20 years since we've been this close and I for one am not getting any younger.

 

[LittleD]

I want Romo to get a SB as much as the next guy, but lets be real here...the odds of this current team winning the SB are extremely slim. I'd rather start building for the future than to put all the eggs in this year's basket, and blow a real chance to get Romo's eventual (hopefully) heir.

Say we don't make a SB run the next two year, and then Romo retires. Then what? We have to have another 4-12 season or worse to get another draft pick like we have now?

I say go for the QB now while we have a real shot at one, and then build for this coming season with the remaining picks. Said QB can then learn behind one of the best in the game for a year or two.

I don't agree... With Zeke and a healthy Romo, I think this is the best shot we're likely to get for the next 5-10 years.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I understand fully what you are saying and of course there are lots of assumptions whichever way the FO goes. I'm just saying that after looking at film on
both Goff and Wentz, I just don't see Aikman or Andrew Luck. We have a chance this year with Zeke and Romo if both stay healthy so I'm ready to throw
my chips and those of Jerry in the middle on one hand of Texas Holdum and try and get the brass ring. I'll let two or three years down the line take care of
themselves. It's been 20 years since we've been this close and I for one am not getting any younger.

I am perhaps the biggest Murray proponent on this board.

It is simple to me. They added a back that can consistently move the chains. This meant Romo didn't have to carry the offense. So when he did pass, out of a play action formation, he was deadly. Romo became a counter punch to a running attack that was obvious, and nearly unstoppable.

This protected the defense, because Dallas didn't really have much of a defense that year. Plus, Murray was a leader on this team and a man they rallied around. THis point especially is missed by the cro magnons who spout cliches about defense and championships and RB's are a dime a dozen.

These are the same contingency here which thought better of keeping a work horse because of superstition, money, and a lack of insight into what the guy brought to this team. I would laugh at the results since he left if it were not so downright sad. The entire Murray debacle was mismanaged, just like the Dez train wreck. The FO screwed the team because they just think they know better.

And yet time and again they prove they couldn't find their butt with a road map and a tour guide.

So when you suggest Elliott, I see the wisdom in bringing in a guy who can supplant what Murray brought. But...

Knowing this FO is stupid and sees a stud RB as a temporary fix, and not a piece which will be here in 2023 - and perhaps rightly so - the pick at 4 is wasted. Si while I think they literally cut their own throats with Murray, Elliott will go the way of MUrray, and if Romo makes two years here and then leaves - and I believe that has a lot of blue sky in that assumption - then you have the back end of Elliott's contract without a real QB.

And you will not trade for one, or get one on the open market. So while you flounder sucking eggs to get that crappy 3-13 and a top pick to get your guy, the #4 pick was wasted on Zeke. He will be gone by the time your wonder boy matures enough to lead the team.

Now I get it that these guys this season are not heralded as greatness. And while I despise the argument I am about to use because it ignores the great ones who came from college as being great - I have to mention Brady and Montana.

Lots of people didn't think they were crapola either.

I like Wentz. But I have taken a shine to Lynch and his potential.

And the final piece here is I have no faith this organization can train a QB.

But I think Romo can.

 

[LittleD]

I am perhaps the biggest Murray proponent on this board.

It is simple to me. They added a back that can consistently move the chains. This meant Romo didn't have to carry the offense. So when he did pass, out of a play action formation, he was deadly. Romo became a counter punch to a running attack that was obvious, and nearly unstoppable.

This protected the defense, because Dallas didn't really have much of a defense that year. Plus, Murray was a leader on this team and a man they rallied around. THis point especially is missed by the cro magnons who spout cliches about defense and championships and RB's are a dime a dozen.

These are the same contingency here which thought better of keeping a work horse because of superstition, money, and a lack of insight into what the guy brought to this team. I would laugh at the results since he left if it were not so downright sad. The entire Murray debacle was mismanaged, just like the Dez train wreck. The FO screwed the team because they just think they know better.

And yet time and again they prove they couldn't find their butt with a road map and a tour guide.

So when you suggest Elliott, I see the wisdom in bringing in a guy who can supplant what Murray brought. But...

Knowing this FO is stupid and sees a stud RB as a temporary fix, and not a piece which will be here in 2023 - and perhaps rightly so - the pick at 4 is wasted. Si while I think they literally cut their own throats with Murray, Elliott will go the way of MUrray, and if Romo makes two years here and then leaves - and I believe that has a lot of blue sky in that assumption - then you have the back end of Elliott's contract without a real QB.

And you will not trade for one, or get one on the open market. So while you flounder sucking eggs to get that crappy 3-13 and a top pick to get your guy, the #4 pick was wasted on Zeke. He will be gone by the time your wonder boy matures enough to lead the team.

Now I get it that these guys this season are not heralded as greatness. And while I despise the argument I am about to use because it ignores the great ones who came from college as being great - I have to mention Brady and Montana.

Lots of people didn't think they were crapola either.

I like Wentz. But I have taken a shine to Lynch and his potential.

And the final piece here is I have no faith this organization can train a QB.

But I think Romo can.

We agree on much more than we disagree...I know that Dallas' FO isn't all that and they don't manage all that well but, if you want to be a Boy's fan you have to live with
them cause they ain't going anyplace soon! If we take Zeke, we have a shot and that's all any of the 32 teams have at this time of year. I think our shot would be
better than most that's why I'm willing to risk it all to see them in the dance one more time before my days are through.

 

[TwoDeep3]

We agree on much more than we disagree...I know that Dallas' FO isn't all that and they don't manage all that well but, if you want to be a Boy's fan you have to live with
them cause they ain't going anyplace soon! If we take Zeke, we have a shot and that's all any of the 32 teams have at this time of year. I think our shot would be
better than most that's why I'm willing to risk it all to see them in the dance one more time before my days are through.

I work two blocks from the new facility being built in Frisco, Texas.

They will be having some workouts there. I am considering making a large sign that reads "Jerry, fire the GM" and sit across the street from that facility this summer.

I have to wonder how long it would be before I was arrested.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Rebuttal: QB selected at #4 does nothing and adds nothing to us getting to the SB in the next two years. QB selected
this year will hold a clipboard, sitting on the sidelines, and eating up cap space for little benefit. DT would be valuable along with
a catalytic DE but, Bosa ain't that and there is no one that would rate investing that much cap in because none are elite there.
RB is not valued highly I agree but, this year Zeke is the one least risk, high upside player in the top ten who could dramatically
help us get to the SB during Romo's last hurrah. Witten and Romo don't have long to make it and now is time to push
Jerry's chips in the middle and Zeke helps Romo, the offense and keeps the defense off the field especially in the 4th quarter.

I will argue about picking QB does nothing because this team needs to stop being so short sighted in their thinking. We all wanna think SB right now and that would be cool, but realistically we may be sacrificing our future just for trying to get to the SB right now.

I mean we will probably not see this high a pick again for atleast 3 years. Well Romo doesn't have 3 or more years and if we do get a high pick before that, then we will need a whole lot more than just QB to be SB ready!! For the past 20 years it has been a right now mentality but we all have seen what that gets us.

That being said, if top 2 QBs are not there then I would not be opposed to Elliot at all because he would make THAT difference in this offense. He would instantly make Romo and this offense that much better, not just for now but also for the future. We can grab Paxton Lynch, Dak Prescott, Hackenburg later in the draft

 

[BrassCowboy]

Why is that? Is your negativity that much of an anchor for this team?

I have a feeling he agrees with you on grabbing a QB, you know "plan for the future"

 

[BrassCowboy]

I don't agree... With Zeke and a healthy Romo, I think this is the best shot we're likely to get for the next 5-10 years.

you know we can grab Henry in the 2nd. He is a close 2nd to Zeke. Don't think we would miss a step with Henry.

 

[mrmojo]

Neither of the top 2 QB' will be there. Highly doubtful that the Browns trade out of the #2.

I think the Browns are considering it.....

 

[LittleD]

you know we can grab Henry in the 2nd. He is a close 2nd to Zeke. Don't think we would miss a step with Henry.

Henry is a slower footed Murray. He is the epitome of a one cut runner but, I agree he might be able to push the pile. I'm just not sure he's fast enough
to get to the second level against todays NFL LB's. I actually like Procise and Dixon for our team more if that's the path we eventually take.

 

[hutch1254]

Repeat: None of the QB's in this year's draft class is even close to Andrew Luck. If we happen to draft a big, costly bust we will suffer more longer than just 3 years.

I don't think I compared any of the QB's in this draft to Andrew Luck in the post. Just gave examples of teams that were able to make the transition from starter to starter with little season over season damage.

Greg Cosell believes the Wentz comparisons Luck are valid to a point but what does he know, he just watches film 24/7/365. I tend to trust him.

I'd rather take the chance on drafting one and having the possibility of having a successful transition after Romo than keep our hands in our pockets and hope for the best after Romo is done with no plan in place. Hope is not a strategy. I mean it's fine if people don't want to go after a QB this year. To each their own. But I'd rather take the chance than not and then sit around and read endless posts of us ridiculing our team which is what we do best around here.

 

[LittleD]

I will argue about picking QB does nothing because this team needs to stop being so short sighted in their thinking. We all wanna think SB right now and that would be cool, but realistically we may be sacrificing our future just for trying to get to the SB right now.

I mean we will probably not see this high a pick again for atleast 3 years. Well Romo doesn't have 3 or more years and if we do get a high pick before that, then we will need a whole lot more than just QB to be SB ready!! For the past 20 years it has been a right now mentality but we all have seen what that gets us.

That being said, if top 2 QBs are not there then I would not be opposed to Elliot at all because he would make THAT difference in this offense. He would instantly make Romo and this offense that much better, not just for now but also for the future. We can grab Paxton Lynch, Dak Prescott, Hackenburg later in the draft

I agree. I think it's likely that the two QB's are gone before pick #4 and in all likelihood Ramsey will be our pick. With only 3 interceptions in his career and
him being a better safety than CB, he's not that valuable but, probably the choice.

 

[hutch1254]

Henry is a slower footed Murray. He is the epitome of a one cut runner but, I agree he might be able to push the pile. I'm just not sure he's fast enough
to get to the second level against todays NFL LB's. I actually like Procise and Dixon for our team more if that's the path we eventually take.

I like Dixon a ton. Really think he's an under the radar guy with a pretty healthy chip on his shoulder as well.

 

[Techsass]

Defense, not offence is our weak spot. Yeah Romo's very near the end of his run, but it aint over yet.

I really don't see any absolute stud @ 4 this year, but I'll be OK with Ramsey or Bosa - I'd rather a slight trade down & more D players. I'm still hoping Gregory makes it so Bosa really isn't anything but insurance. Also I'm in total agreement that Zeke will make an immediate impact, so I'm OK with that too - as long as we pickup starters for our D.

Other than the Walker trade, the GM sucked for over 15 years. He's learning and I see a more thought out progression in the FO the last few years. He's pretty much got the first couple of rounds figured out. Hopefully that will extend past the 4th round going forward.

2014 was fun, but I really didn't think we were SB contenders because of our D. Last year shouldn't even be considered when trying to determine what the team is now, but unless we improve on D we're just playoff contenders.

 

[CrownCowboy]

The thread title says it all. If Romo goes down our season is over. I'm one of the ones that believe Romo can still play at a top 5 QB level when healthy and still has a couple of years left in him. That's not alot of time so we need to win now if we do intend to compete for a Super Bowl.

Unfortunately, our defense has so many holes that it probably won't be anything to rely on for a couple of years of good drafting and perhaps some good free agency decisions. With that being said, it would be hard to argue about the team picking a guy on the defensive side in this year's draft that can make a big time impact. At the 4 spot, I just don't think there is a defensive player that can be as impactful for our team right now overall than Elliot could be for our offense.

Our offense, with a healthy Romo and Dez, can compete for a Super Bowl and also keep our defense off the field. Alfred Morris and Darren McFadden are good backups but are not players I'd want to rely on for the season.

 

[boysfanindc]

Rebuttal: we're not getting to the SB in the next 2 years lol

That ship has sailed

Garrett has had full support from FO, a franchise top 5-7 QB who was familiar with his system going in (a VERY unusual circumstance) and he has given us .500 record with it

Plan for the future

I disagree and agree.

 

[USMarineVet]

I am perhaps the biggest Murray proponent on this board.

It is simple to me. They added a back that can consistently move the chains. This meant Romo didn't have to carry the offense. So when he did pass, out of a play action formation, he was deadly. Romo became a counter punch to a running attack that was obvious, and nearly unstoppable.

This protected the defense, because Dallas didn't really have much of a defense that year. Plus, Murray was a leader on this team and a man they rallied around. THis point especially is missed by the cro magnons who spout cliches about defense and championships and RB's are a dime a dozen.

These are the same contingency here which thought better of keeping a work horse because of superstition, money, and a lack of insight into what the guy brought to this team. I would laugh at the results since he left if it were not so downright sad. The entire Murray debacle was mismanaged, just like the Dez train wreck. The FO screwed the team because they just think they know better.

And yet time and again they prove they couldn't find their butt with a road map and a tour guide.

So when you suggest Elliott, I see the wisdom in bringing in a guy who can supplant what Murray brought. But...

Knowing this FO is stupid and sees a stud RB as a temporary fix, and not a piece which will be here in 2023 - and perhaps rightly so - the pick at 4 is wasted. Si while I think they literally cut their own throats with Murray, Elliott will go the way of MUrray, and if Romo makes two years here and then leaves - and I believe that has a lot of blue sky in that assumption - then you have the back end of Elliott's contract without a real QB.

And you will not trade for one, or get one on the open market. So while you flounder sucking eggs to get that crappy 3-13 and a top pick to get your guy, the #4 pick was wasted on Zeke. He will be gone by the time your wonder boy matures enough to lead the team.

Now I get it that these guys this season are not heralded as greatness. And while I despise the argument I am about to use because it ignores the great ones who came from college as being great - I have to mention Brady and Montana.

Lots of people didn't think they were crapola either.

I like Wentz. But I have taken a shine to Lynch and his potential.

And the final piece here is I have no faith this organization can train a QB.

But I think Romo can.

I wonder if Tony would be interested in the QB Coaching job after he gets golf and staying home with the family out of his system. I would LOVE to see that.

 

[fortdick]

It must be terrible for folks that hate the players, coaches and owners. Is it the color scheme that keeps them here? If you hate everything about something, go somewhere else!

11-5 next season, everyone will again say we are great and on the verge of a SB. Garrett is a great coach and Romo can play until he is 40.

 

[Techsass]

We're just too close and can see all the warts. In fact they look larger than they really are!

I have no problem with the fact that I'm a homer for 'em. Not only do I see 11-5 as completely reasonable, I think we can put the 2014 team to shame.