All this handwringing and Jerry bashing is nonsense

[SteamedSoup]

we know the proposed coaches haven't been in the loop, how?

For starters, by not attending the Garrett interview. And because now we find out Jerry planned on adding Garrett to the staff this year no matter who the coach is -- meaning he's not doing it on anyone else's say-so. He's doing it because he's decided it's the thing to do.

Also... since beggars can't be choosers, and since Turner and Phillips are both beggars, I don't see why we're pointing to them as examples of how people are mostly cool with Jerry making such a weird move.

And, to be clear, I'm sure Turner wouldn't have a problem with it. Because Turner would run the offense anyway, and he's loosely familiar with Garrett from their time together back in 1993 or whenever. But hiring Turner wouldn't make this a good thing all of a sudden... because our 6th ranked offense (and 5th ranked passing attack) and 4th ranked scoring offense were hardly the problem in Dallas last year.

And Wade Phillips paying Garrett lip service means little to me too. He's not getting attention for any other head coaching jobs. He's hard up. It's like expecting a guy in the middle of a dry spell to pass up possible sex because the girl is doing something sorta creepy right when he's looking to close the deal (like talking too much about an ex-boyfriend or mentioning marriage on their 1st date). A guy who is hard up will do what he needs to do, and then once he's crossed that rickety bridge he'll take a minute to look back on the creepy behavior.

So of course Phillips is gonna wait and see if he's even getting the job or not before he takes time to wonder what kind of weirdo GM this is who hires a coach with 2 years of experience (getting bad production out of the position he coached each year in Miami, by the way) to coordinate an offense and call plays for the first time ever.... without even having the guy who would be his head coach sitting in on the interview.

 

[silverbear]

Sure, Beav. We can build downhill racers, visit the ol' swimming hole, sip lemonade on the front porch, and listen to Bing Crosby records on the Victrola. Actually, that sounds pretty gay. Scratch that.

I just figured you'd have enough money to be able to afford the good weed... LOL...

But I purely hate Bing Crosby...

 

[silverbear]

For starters, by not attending the Garrett interview.

They have this new thing out, called the telephone... let's you be "in the loop" without actually being there...

I'm told Jerry makes extensive use of this innovation...

And because now we find out Jerry planned on adding Garrett to the staff this year no matter who the coach is -- meaning he's not doing it on anyone else's say-so. He's doing it because he's decided it's the thing to do.

Which still doesn't preclude assorted head coaching candidates being on board with the decision...

So of course Phillips is gonna wait and see if he's even getting the job or not before he takes time to wonder what kind of weirdo GM this is who hires a coach with 2 years of experience (getting bad production out of the position he coached each year in Miami, by the way) to coordinate an offense and call plays for the first time ever.... without even having the guy who would be his head coach sitting in on the interview.

Jerry had no choice in that, there were time constraints... it was either sign Jason NOW, or he'd go back to the Fins...

 

[SteamedSoup]

Yes, thank you, 'Bear, for making me aware of the telephone. If you hear of any other wonderful gadgets, do tell me.

Moving on...

The Garrett hire is being defended, essentially, for three reasons:

1. Aww, but, come on, everyone else (Huizenga, Rooney) is doing it. As if hiring this guy with 2 years of experience coaching underachieving quarterbacks is roughly the same as the Steelers locking up LeBeau and the Phins locking up Capers (guys who have both been there and back, and called plays and coordinated entire units that were driving forces behind Super Bowl runs).

2. Clearly our Head Coach, already in place, signed off on it. Except, that's not true. Because, going by the timeline, this would mean we already chose our head coach days ago. And yet we wasted time interviewing guys we had no intention of keeping around in their current capacity or in a greater capacity. Would Jerry, the draft guru, really be missing the Senior Bowl to put on that Dog and Pony Show? No, not when Bowles was the only one he needed to interview, going by this theory.

3. We would've lost Garrett if we didn't move on him then and there. Which brings me back to point number two. We could've made our moves earlier, obviously, but we wasted time talking to people who in retrospect we weren't even considering. Unless we really were considering Haley/Sparano... in which case, back to point number two again, there was no plan in place and we didn't have our Head Coach lined up (and he couldn't have signed off on Garrett).


I think Jerry is making it up as he goes along. Which doesn't rule out the possibility of him stumbling onto a winning decision, even if it is blind stupid luck.

But what's the deal -- if he already had a coach in his back pocket, why is he wasting the time of Sparano and Haley and Garry Gibbs? If his head coach was in on the interview with the technology of a conference call, do you honestly think both Phillips and Turner were patched in? And if not, then which one of them are we dicking around? And why would we bother, when both are so hard up that they'll work for peanuts in a job they know they'll be fired from within three years time at the very least.

And if Jason Garrett is really Jerry's boy, then why not make him head coach right now? Garrett would just be stolen out from under us in a year if Turner/Phillips coaches us to a successful season, assuming our offense doesn't go backwards (which is a big "if" considering how high Sparano/Haley set the bar in 2006, and considering Garrett's history--even if it's based on a mere two-year sample--of coaching QBs who see their completion percentage, efficiency, and effectiveness drop on his watch).

 

[bbgun]

Yes, thank you, 'Bear, for making me aware of the telephone. If you hear of any other wonderful gadgets, do tell me.

Yes, most of his posts are frequently draped in condescending tones. Annoying, isn't it?

Like I observed yesterday, the sheep will go out of their way to rationalize any of Jerry's candidates as a good hire, no matter how much of a reach or how undeserving. Garrett, Phillips, Turner, Ryan. It doesn't matter. They'll immediately spin it as a wise, clever, sane hire, and anyone who dissents will be thrown under the bus or smeared as a "hater." It's the only game they know. What Jerry did to earn such loyalty is a mystery, and we're the poorer for it.

 

[blindzebra]

Yes, most of his posts are frequently draped in condescending tones. Annoying, isn't it?

Like I observed yesterday, the sheep will go out of their way to rationalize any of Jerry's candidates as a good hire, no matter how much of a reach or how undeserving. Garrett, Phillips, Turner, Ryan. It doesn't matter. They'll immediately spin it as a wise, clever, sane hire, and anyone who dissents will be thrown under the bus or smeared as a "hater." It's the only game they know. What Jerry did to earn such loyalty is a mystery, and we're the poorer for it.

Typical...here I'll say it...talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Calling people sheep isn't the least bit condescending, now is it?

Got to love the hypocrisy of those who claim to be fans, but never post as such.

Oh, and p.s. edit: Thanks so much for once again hi-jacking a thread that dared to show the possible positives of the situation.

 

[Smith22]

But hiring Turner wouldn't make this a good thing all of a sudden... because our 6th ranked offense (and 5th ranked passing attack) and 4th ranked scoring offense were hardly the problem in Dallas last year.

The same offense that scored a total of 13 points in the playoffs against a Seattle team using replacement players in the secondary........

 

[SteamedSoup]

The same offense that scored a total of 13 points in the playoffs against a Seattle team using replacement players in the secondary........

If we're making decisions based on that one game, I guess we ought to just cut Newman and Roy. And Ware, who did nothing.

Oh, and of course Romo, whose choke job was on par with Vanderjagts (which everyone, with their 20/20 hindsight, claims they knew was such an historic blunder that he'd never recover).

Witten ought to be sent packing too, I guess, with his fumble and his failure to fight for 1 yard after the catch.

Um. And Terry Glenn.

And Kosier and Colombo, and Gurode and Rivera. And Flozell.

And Marion Barber.

And Anthony Henry.

Carpenter, too, for dropping that interception.

Hang on, lemme break out the game film, actually. Let me take a minute to figure this out so I am prepared to tell you which of the 53 players might be allowed to return next year based on one game.

 

[silverbear]

Yes, most of his posts are frequently draped in condescending tones. Annoying, isn't it?

Actually, that was a joke, aimed at somebody I basically like...

I'm pretty sure he understood that, even if it went over your pointy little head...

 

[cowboyed]

yup.. and 500 coaches could pilot us to a superbowl according to jerruh.

sad to have to break this out

Jeez, it has been over 10 years Jones spouted that and it was in the Superbowl era when we had an over the top talented team. Certainly if he continued to feel that way he would not have hired Parcells.

Get over it already and you can't apply it in the context of today's team.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Yes, thank you, 'Bear, for making me aware of the telephone. If you hear of any other wonderful gadgets, do tell me.

Moving on...

The Garrett hire is being defended, essentially, for three reasons:

1. Aww, but, come on, everyone else (Huizenga, Rooney) is doing it. As if hiring this guy with 2 years of experience coaching underachieving quarterbacks is roughly the same as the Steelers locking up LeBeau and the Phins locking up Capers (guys who have both been there and back, and called plays and coordinated entire units that were driving forces behind Super Bowl runs).

2. Clearly our Head Coach, already in place, signed off on it. Except, that's not true. Because, going by the timeline, this would mean we already chose our head coach days ago. And yet we wasted time interviewing guys we had no intention of keeping around in their current capacity or in a greater capacity. Would Jerry, the draft guru, really be missing the Senior Bowl to put on that Dog and Pony Show? No, not when Bowles was the only one he needed to interview, going by this theory.

3. We would've lost Garrett if we didn't move on him then and there. Which brings me back to point number two. We could've made our moves earlier, obviously, but we wasted time talking to people who in retrospect we weren't even considering. Unless we really were considering Haley/Sparano... in which case, back to point number two again, there was no plan in place and we didn't have our Head Coach lined up (and he couldn't have signed off on Garrett).


I think Jerry is making it up as he goes along. Which doesn't rule out the possibility of him stumbling onto a winning decision, even if it is blind stupid luck.

But what's the deal -- if he already had a coach in his back pocket, why is he wasting the time of Sparano and Haley and Garry Gibbs? If his head coach was in on the interview with the technology of a conference call, do you honestly think both Phillips and Turner were patched in? And if not, then which one of them are we dicking around? And why would we bother, when both are so hard up that they'll work for peanuts in a job they know they'll be fired from within three years time at the very least.

And if Jason Garrett is really Jerry's boy, then why not make him head coach right now? Garrett would just be stolen out from under us in a year if Turner/Phillips coaches us to a successful season, assuming our offense doesn't go backwards (which is a big "if" considering how high Sparano/Haley set the bar in 2006, and considering Garrett's history--even if it's based on a mere two-year sample--of coaching QBs who see their completion percentage, efficiency, and effectiveness drop on his watch).

You need to post more.

 

[Smith22]

If we're making decisions based on that one game, I guess we ought to just cut Newman and Roy. And Ware, who did nothing.

Oh, and of course Romo, whose choke job was on par with Vanderjagts (which everyone, with their 20/20 hindsight, claims they knew was such an historic blunder that he'd never recover).

Witten ought to be sent packing too, I guess, with his fumble and his failure to fight for 1 yard after the catch.

Um. And Terry Glenn.

And Kosier and Colombo, and Gurode and Rivera. And Flozell.

And Marion Barber.

And Anthony Henry.

Carpenter, too, for dropping that interception.

Hang on, lemme break out the game film, actually. Let me take a minute to figure this out so I am prepared to tell you which of the 53 players might be allowed to return next year based on one game.

Philly game. Division on the line. 7 points scored. Barely 200 yards offense.

 

[lspain1]

Lots of "spirited" discussion on this topic. It seems reasonable to me to fear Jerry's approach to the process given his history.

"Bad Jerry" would approach this with no real plan and improvise his way into a staff that would ensure many good HC candidates would have no interest. That approach could also limit the effectiveness of whichever coach he put on the hot seat. We have seen "Bad Jerry" in the past including the woeful results and rued the day. It is easy, given the results so far, to conclude the process is chaotic and likely to have poor results.

The advent of Stephen Jones and the participation of Bill Parcells in the process leads me to hope that there is a plan which is taking some time to come to fruition. A recent article, by Spags(?), indicates Parcells has stayed behind to network on behalf of some of his assistants. That indicates a deliberate plan of who stays and who goes. Additionally, the refusal to name a specific title for Garrett indicates a deliberate "blurring" of the job to permit Jerry some maneuvering room. This blurring act permits Jerry to assemble a staff in the face of lots of opposition around the league to staff "cherry picking." It smacks of a deliberate strategy in support of a Head Coach that will be late arriving and will have trouble assembling a quality staff.

At this point, I can draw no real conclusions whether we are seeing adroit maneuvering or improvisation. We have no visibuility into this process and neither does the media. I think the best thing to do here is wait and see how it plays out.

 

[superpunk]

And here's why:

Dallas' situation isn't a full blown rebuilding project like most head coaching hires enter.

This is a team with talent on both sides of the ball, that is young, and just needs that spark to take that next step...with all our warts we were better than Seattle, who gave the Bears all they could handle, who beat the Saints, so one could argue we were a botched hold away from a SB right now.

With Jerry always willing to write checks, a hungry Romo and defense with something to prove, I can't think of a better situation to walk into...regardless of having Garrett in the wings.

I agree that it's a pretty good situation for another HC to walk into, and we can absolutely thank Bill Parcells for that. The trouble is, that there aren't really any head coaches worth opening the door for, yet. We've got a chance to do some things with a guy like Rivera or Ryan, and we're getting permission for Norv and Phillips? I guess we can thank Parcells for that selection, too -- whether you fault him for not deciding earlier (but comeon....who was REALLY clamoring for Whisenhunt and Lane Kiffin?) or not gutting it out for another year (this would have been ideal, but all the ahnd-wringers and GROP geniuses got what they wanted ).

There's just nothing out there that makes you go wow. And certainly not the guys Jerry's getting permission to speak to.

 

[superpunk]

This blurring act permits Jerry to assemble a staff in the face of lots of opposition around the league to staff "cherry picking." It smacks of a deliberate strategy in support of a Head Coach that will be late arriving and will have trouble assembling a quality staff.

The only lgical move is for Rivera or Lovie - all this posturing only makes sense if that's what we're after.

But, if we do all this maneuvering, and hire a Norval.....then

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I agree that it's a pretty good situation for another HC to walk into, and we can absolutely thank Bill Parcells for that. The trouble is, that there aren't really any head coaches worth opening the door for, yet. We've got a chance to do some things with a guy like Rivera or Ryan, and we're getting permission for Norv and Phillips? I guess we can thank Parcells for that selection, too -- whether you fault him for not deciding earlier (but comeon....who was REALLY clamoring for Whisenhunt and Lane Kiffin?) or not gutting it out for another year (this would have been ideal, but all the ahnd-wringers and GROP geniuses got what they wanted ).

There's just nothing out there that makes you go wow. And certainly not the guys Jerry's getting permission to speak to.

Quite a few on this forum would be if Jones said it was a good move. He's a billionaire. Some find it hard not to follow blindly.

 

[philo beddoe]

1994 was age and injuries huh.

yah, he was soooooo right.... larry, mo or curly could have won 1994-1996. but alas Jerruh PROVED HIMSELF with switzer huh.... tearing down our team, bungling our dynasty with his ego and GM wannabe power trip... 10 years later not a playoff win to show for. quite surprising decade for such as football genius isn't it

Sure, Jimmy would have won 5 or 6 more in a row. LOL. Delusional. The salary cap, free agency, age and other factors figured in. Switzer brought another Super Bowl. It couldn't have gone on forever. The league changed. Face facts.

 

[superpunk]

Quite a few on this forum would be if Jones said it was a good move. He's a billionaire. Some find it hard not to follow blindly.

I love Jerry Jones, but his HC recruitment hasn't exactly been top-notch. Especially when he goes the hometown route, stuff like what I perceive Garrett to be like. Jerry is a billionaire because he is a dynamic person. Dynamic people need other dynamic people to check them, or they'll destroy themselves because they try to "fly to close to the sun." I don't know Garrett from Adam, but I don't see him like that. maybe he's cerebral like Bellichick, and people will respect him just because of his knowledge and his dedication. Who knows? I have a problem with the hire NOW because it doesn't make football sense, unless Jason IS going to be the HC.

Or, unless we're hiring Ron Rivera, and he wants Jason for whatever reason, and he's made that known already.

I could absolutely see a HC announcement coming this Monday. Just when the Parcells retires/who will be Dallas HC attention dies down, and it's time for super bowl hype, Jerry drops a bomb to steal the spotlight again. For my part, I hope it's announced that we've hired Ryan - or leaked that we've already agreed to something with Rivera.

 

[SteamedSoup]

Philly game. Division on the line. 7 points scored. Barely 200 yards offense.

As compared to the Saints game, when our collapse really started?

Sunday night football. Screw the division; the #2 seed of the NFC was on the line. And the defense gives up how many points?

The offense wasn't the problem. And the fact that Jerry has come out like gangbusters with his mission seeming to be to focus on the offense... this troubles me. Because he's yet to do or say anything that indicates fixing the defense (or improving the team as a whole) is nearly as important to him as getting his ducks all in a row as far as catering to Tony Romo and all his toys on offense.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

As compared to the Saints game, when our collapse really started?

Sunday night football. Screw the division; the #2 seed of the NFC was on the line. And the defense gives up how many points?

The offense wasn't the problem. And the fact that Jerry has come out like gangbusters with his mission seeming to be to focus on the offense... this troubles me. Because he's yet to do or say anything that indicates fixing the defense (or improving the team as a whole) is nearly as important to him as gets his ducks all in a row as far as catering to Tony Romo and all his toys on offense.[/QUOTE

Which scares me even more if he names Garrett HC. Right now as I look at it I see Garrett as OC and a defensive minded HC on the way. I still don't like any of the names being mentioned. But I guess we have to have one so we will take any one.