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Doomsday101;2346378 said:
Yes it does mean that. Did Jerry hire body gaurds for any other player on our roster? I don't think so and Jerry himself said PacMan had little wiggly room. now 6 weeks after being reinstated he finds himself in trouble once again. Yet someone else is to blame. Only person that needs to be blamed is Pacman. We are talking a multi million dollar career on the line, at the 1st sign of trouble he needed to walk away and leave that is what a smart person on his last leg would do yet what I see is this bravodo additude by many here of he did what anyone else would have done? Only a stupid person would have yet again put himself into a situation that is going to cost him.


You said it best right there. Only a stupid person would continue to do these things and still try and act like they didn't know they were getting themselves in trouble.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2346383 said:
Are you saying you don't understand that part of his probation was that he wasn't supposed to drink? That isn't an NFL sanction that is a sanction put on him by a judge. He was told by the league that if he broke any part of that probation, which included being out drinking, then he could be suspended.

The fact is if he'd been out drinking, as he probably normally does and many others do, and didn't have any incidents, even minor ones, then the fact that he was out drinking would have been over looked, as they apparently already were from the reports that it wasn't the first time he was out and about having a good time.

The difference between those times, and this one, is that he got involved in an minor incident that had the police called. Now he's in trouble cause he got himself into a situation that could have EASILY been avoided in a number of ways.

He could have stayed at home, as many who are on probation do to avoid getting into trouble. It's not a difficult concept, except for the ignorant who want to try and make everything someone elses fault instead of the responsibility of the individual.

He could have simply walked away when the playful joking, harrassing, whatever it was started to get out of hand instead of continuing with it to the point that someone called the cops.

Again the guy is only in trouble because he's a grade A screw up who had no room, at all, to bring any negative attention to himself, no matter how minor, because of all the times he's already screwed up during his career.

This really isn't difficult. You screw up numerous times and you put yourself on a very short leash AND you have no one to blame but yourself when it happens.

The sooner he grows up, reconizes that fact, the sooner the guy can stop getting himself into trouble and continue playing football.

For his sake hopefully he hasn't burned every chance he had before learning that lesson.

I agree 100% and I don't see where any of this is hard to understand. Dallas knew this ahead of time and trusted Pacmans judgement so much they had to hire a baby sitter for him and that did not even do the trick. Dallas would be better off cutting ties with him and just move on from this.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2346383 said:
Are you saying you don't understand that part of his probation was that he wasn't supposed to drink? That isn't an NFL sanction that is a sanction put on him by a judge. He was told by the league that if he broke any part of that probation, which included being out drinking, then he could be suspended.

So he violated a probation, isn't this a legal matter that lies outside of the jurisdiction of the NFL? So why is the NFL putting them in an alcohol rehabilition program?

Like I said, you not answering the question and if you can't anwer the question, don't bother responding. What was the job of the security provided by Jerry for? What did Jerry mean when he said it wasn't a big deal when this first happened? If this was a legal issue, it surely was a big deal...
 

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khiladi;2346397 said:
So he violated a probation, isn't this a legal matter that lies outside of the jurisdiction of the NFL? So why is the NFL putting them in an alcohol rehabilition program?

Like I said, you not answering the question and if you can't anwer the question, don't bother responding. What was the job of the security provided by Jerry for? What did Jerry mean when he said it wasn't a big deal when this first happened? If this was a legal issue, it surely was a big deal...

Because it is an NFL matter one that has been in effect for a long time now and that was approved by the Players Union. The NFL is not a god given right to any person. If you want to be a member of the NFL you will follow their rules if not then go to the CFL or some other league.
 

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Doomsday101;2346378 said:
Yes it does mean that. Did Jerry hire body gaurds for any other player on our roster? I don't think so and Jerry himself said PacMan had little wiggly room. now 6 weeks after being reinstated he finds himself in trouble once again. Yet someone else is to blame. Only person that needs to be blamed is Pacman. We are talking a multi million dollar career on the line, at the 1st sign of trouble he needed to walk away and leave that is what a smart person on his last leg would do yet what I see is this bravodo additude by many here of he did what anyone else would have done? Only a stupid person would have yet again put himself into a situation that is going to cost him.

I'd say that nails it. Bye Bye Jones. good ridden.
 

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zrinkill;2346398 said:
I cannot believe people are still arguing for this idiot.

This coming from a guy who was living in a bubble that all was well in Dallas...
 

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khiladi;2346397 said:
So he violated a probation, isn't this a legal matter that lies outside of the jurisdiction of the NFL? So why is the NFL putting them in an alcohol rehabilition program?

By violating the drinking part of his probation he VIOLATED his reinstatement because he was told that he had to adhere to the probation, as well as his NFL sanctioned rules, and he couldn't do that. Is that REALLY that hard for you to understand?

They're not making him go to the rehab program. He's perfectly within his rights to decide he doesn't need that in order to comply with the rest of their rules for reinstatement and go from there. The fact that he's willingly looking into the options is evidence that even he thinks he potentially has a problem.


Like I said, you not answering the question and if you can't anwer the question, don't bother responding. What was the job of the security provided by Jerry for? What did Jerry mean when he said it wasn't a big deal when this first happened? If this was a legal issue, it surely was a big deal...

The job of the security was to keep him from getting drunk, getting out of hand, and getting into the troubles he's had in the past (Spitting on women, getting into fights with people in bars). In a very sad turn of events, for Jones, the guys there to keep him out of trouble were the ones he got into the little friendly scuffle with.

Even Jerry trying to protect the guy couldn't keep him out of trouble because you can't protect a moron from themselves.
 

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Doomsday101;2346403 said:
Because it is an NFL matter one that has been in effect for a long time now and that was approved by the Players Union. The NFL is not a god given right to any person. If you want to be a member of the NFL you will follow their rules if not then go to the CFL or some other league.

Unless you're Adam Jones. Then clearly the league is just picking on you and taking away your God given right to play in the NFL. Apparently he is above the rules of everyone else, and above the fact that playing this game for a living is a priveledge and not a right.
 

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khiladi;2346405 said:
This coming from a guy who was living in a bubble that all was well in Dallas...

I was man enough to admit my mistake ....

How bout you be man enouth to admit Pac-Man is a moron who did this to himself and will never get it?

;)
 

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BraveHeartFan;2346425 said:
Unless you're Adam Jones. Then clearly the league is just picking on you and taking away your God given right to play in the NFL. Apparently he is above the rules of everyone else, and above the fact that playing this game for a living is a priveledge and not a right.

I don't know if that is Jones additude of they are picking on me or that of his defenders but as long as a person continues to push his mistakes off on others he will never learn from them. Jones knew the score when he was re-instated he knew the league was not going to tolerate even the most minor incidents and yet in a 6 week period here we are once again. These are grown men and the vast majority can play an entire career without any problems yet we see some of the same guys continue pushing the limit and then act shocked afterwards.
 
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