Always a body catcher

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FuzzyLumpkins said:
Well it's been years and your still here arguing.

And your a Cowboys fan using Alvin Harper as the WR2 standard. If you cannot figure how that is convenient thnking then I don't know what to tell you. There is a whole league history out there.
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It's posters arguing with me and I'm the one who ends up being right. :D We're arguing an opinion so you don't have to worry about being served a plate of crow in the next few months. Since my Hardy debates many are steering clear of me on topics where someone is going to end up wrong because they know it won't be me. lol. I'm not the only one on this board who thinks Twill has been this teams version of Alvin Harper.

Just look at the disparity between Irvin's numbers and Harpers over their years together but there's going to be a disparity when you have an elite #1 receiver who receives most of the targets along with an excellent TE. No #2 receiver is going to produce big numbers on a team with Dez Bryant and Jason Witten. The big issue with Twill is the disappearing acts where he's a no show for 2-3 games. Other than than he's been a good receiver who's made a lot of big plays.
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
A 55% completion percentage? That doesn't say what you want it to. Frankly it stinks.
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Doesn't say what I want it to? What the hell are you talking about. Bro I already told you and for the last time, and for the record, I think we can do much better at the WR2 position then TWill. Ok got it?

My initial response to this thread was the body catching technic he uses is the very least of his problems and/or limitations. Got it?

And back to your comment "doesn't say what I want it to", well for the record Dr. Fuzzy, Mr. NoitAll Fuzzy, his actually percentage was 56%.

By the way compared to:

Dez - 43% (talk about stinking)
Calvin Johnson - 59% (glad he retired)
Allen Robertson - 53% (guess you wouldn't want him)
D. Hopkins -58% (if he is only a little better, why bother)
E. Sanders - 55% (your high point example)
A. Jeffrey - 57% (no way in hell you want him)

and everyone listed below is at or within 2% of TWill:

M. Floyd
J. Jones
M. Evans
M. Wheaton
K. Britt
T. Smith
A. Cooper
V. Jackson
M. Bryant
T.Y. Hilton

Should I keep on......

T. Benjamin
M. Wallace
A. Johnson

So I guess your little smart a** comment also "doesn't say what you wanted it to"!

"Drop the mic!"
 
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PhillyCowboysFan said:
Doesn't say what I want it to? What the hell are you talking about. Bro I already told you and for the last time, and for the record, I think we can do much better at the WR2 position then TWill. Ok got it?

My initial response to this thread was the body catching technic he uses is the very least of his problems and/or limitations. Got it?

And back to your comment "doesn't say what I want it to", well for the record Dr. Fuzzy, Mr. NoitAll Fuzzy, his actually percentage was 56%.

By the way compared to:

Dez - 43% (talk about stinking)
Calvin Johnson - 59% (glad he retired)
Allen Robertson - 53% (guess you wouldn't want him)
D. Hopkins -58% (if he is only a little better, why bother)
E. Sanders - 55% (your high point example)
A. Jeffrey - 57% (no way in hell you want him)

and everyone listed below is at or within 2% of TWill:

M. Floyd
J. Jones
M. Evans
M. Wheaton
K. Britt
T. Smith
A. Cooper
V. Jackson
M. Bryant
T.Y. Hilton

Should I keep on......

T. Benjamin
M. Wallace
A. Johnson

So I guess your little smart a** comment also "doesn't say what you wanted it to"!

"Drop the mic!"
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Cherry picking is fun! I really like how you take umbrage at my interpretation and then immediately proceed to double down on it.

The league median completion percentage was 63% last year.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/completion-pct
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
Cherry picking is fun! I really like how you take umbrage at my interpretation and then immediately proceed to double down on it.

The league median completion percentage was 63% last year.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/completion-pct
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Let me triple down.

What does league median has to do with your comment on 55% stinking? I listed numerous players at or below that median. So by your standards they stink also and I guess you wouldn't want them as your WR2 either.
 
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PhillyCowboysFan said:
Let me triple down.

What does league median has to do with your comment on 55% stinking? I listed numerous players at or below that median. So by your standards they stink also and I guess you wouldn't want them as your WR2 either.
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I never used it as a generalization to a player. I said the stat stinks relative to the rest of the league because it does. The median is what it is.

You were trying to poopoo the notion that TWill has marginal hands thus me saying your stat doesn't say what you want it to. 55% is below average. Name dropping for emotional appeal is gratuitous nonsense fun!
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
I never used it as a generalization to a player. I said the stat stinks relative to the rest of the league because it does. The median is what it is.

You were trying to poopoo the notion that TWill has marginal hands thus me saying your stat doesn't say what you want it to. 55% is below average. Name dropping for emotional appeal is gratuitous nonsense fun!
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So the players I listed stinks relative to the rest of the league.

As I've noticed by your 21000 post you got to get the last word in and can't ever be wrong.

We can do this "all day". I love that Mike Singletary quote.
 
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PhillyCowboysFan said:
So the players I listed stinks relative to the rest of the league.

As I've noticed by your 21000 post you got to get the last word in and can't ever be wrong.

We can do this "all day". I love that Mike Singletary quote.
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In regards to their completion percentage they are below average by definition. You can argue that if you like. You are trying to name drop as way of argument.

And spare me this tripe about never being able to admit that I am wrong. You clearly haven't read me if you think that. I just don't think so here.
 
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Being a consistent body catched like Williams makes him a target less likely to be targetted because he has to be open by a "country mile". In the NFL the likely hood of that is low. You have to be consistent with your hands so you can be thrown open as in led with a pass across the middle or over your head. Do I think Williams can get better yes, should he, yes. Would it bother me if he was replaced with another receiver with warts that makes them a solid number two, no.
 
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If this is a body catch... I'll take it.
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Gameover said:
Williams often gets out muscled when trying to jump for the ball. He's a low percentage threat when in traffic. He's at his best when wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeee open.

He actually does some things better than Bryant. More crafty, better at getting open.
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This is a good point. It seems like Baby Hands does better when Romo is scrambling and he has to break away from his route and help the qb. Bryant doesn't seem to be good at that. Williams is really good when Romo is playing, it's like the play gets busted up and Romo and Williams have some kind of Jedi force connection. When Romo is not playing it seems like Williams is not playing. Now Bryant can play with any QB but he isn't as good as improvising his route as Williams.

Cole Beasely and Terrence Williams need Romo to play or they just disappear.
 
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