Am I crazy...

[cowboys19]

That wasn't what was asked and who cares what their stats were? They were flashes in the pan. Don't bother looking up their stats. You're wasting your time.

they weren't flash in the pans. When they got their shot to start they were decent, just look at the stats.

Tony Romo has been beyond decent.

 

[Hostile]

His "potential for greatness" is higher ... why is this?

Is his IQ higher? does he process info faster? better vision? faster? stronger arm? more accurate? quicker recovery time? less injury prone? more coachable? teammates like him more? etc...

I love the spin control.

You don't like him, so he's a dud right?

This is why I asked the question that I did.

Which QB has higher expectations placed on him of the 2? Now ask yourself why and ponder it.

I am fairly sure no matter what I answered you wouldn't care for the answer anyway. So why should I waste my time trying to be honest with you on this?

I separated upside and potential for a reason and said perhaps Romo has more upside. How you can think I'm insulting him is beyond me.

 

[Hostile]

they weren't flash in the pans. When they got their shot to start they were decent, just look at the stats.

Tony Romo has been beyond decent.

Do you not know what "flash in the pan" means?

I already told you I don't care about their stats. You look at them. You took the time to dig them up when I could care less.

The fact is they each came in, made some noise, got their fans and media all jacked up and then...poof...they were gone. Just like a "flash in the pan."

Also note, I'm not calling Romo a "flash in the pan." Someone else brought that up.

 

[cowboys19]

Do you not know what "flash in the pan" means?

I already told you I don't care about their stats. You look at them. You took the time to dig them up when I could care less.

The fact is they each came in, made some noise, got their fans and media all jacked up and then...poof...they were gone. Just like a "flash in the pan."

Also note, I'm not calling Romo a "flash in the pan." Someone else brought that up.

How could they be flash in the pans when their stats are only average?

What was so exciting about them? besides avg #'s?

Romo has outstanding #'s, something everyone of those guys didnt have

 

[Hostile]

How could they be flash in the pans when their stats are only average?

What was so exciting about them? besides avg #'s?

Romo has outstanding #'s, something everyone of those guys didnt have

Look at their first 3 or 4 games. Look at whether they played winning teams or not. Look at whether they won or not. The fact is their fans and the media were jacked up big time about what they were doing. You don't like it that I remember that, okay. Doesn't change anything.

I still haven't lumped Romo in with them so I don't know why you're so pissed.

 

[sonnyboy]

Eric Hipple: his first year starting

att:279
cmp:140
pct:50.2
yds:2358
avg:8.45
td:14
td%:5.0
int:15
int%5.4
sack:27
loss:208
qb Rating: 73.4




Mark Rypien:

att:208
cmp:114
pct:54.8
yds:1730
avg:8.32
td:18
td%:8.7
int:13
int%6.3
sack:14
loss:115
qb rating:85.2




Gus Frerotte:

att:100
cmp:46
pct:46.0
yds:600
avg:6.00
td:5
td%:5.0
int:5
int%:5.0
sack:3
loss:18
qb rating:61.2




Shaun King:

att:146
cmp:89
pct:61.0
yds:875
avg:5.99
td:7
td%:4.8
int:4
int%:2.7
sack:11
loss:78
qb rating:82.4




Charlie Batch:

att:303
cmp:173
pct:57.1
yds:2178
avg:7.19
td:11
td%:3.6
int:6
int%:2.0
sack:37
loss:222
qb rating:83.5




Chris Simms:

att:73
cmp:42
pct:57.5
yds:467
avg:6.40
td:1
td%:1.4
int:3
int%:4.1
sack:10
loss:75
qb rating:64.1




Kordell Stewart:

he only had 37 attempts his firts 2 years starting so i wont count those. Its not like he was lighting it up either, 1 td, 2 ints in those 37 attempts

1st year full time starting

att:440
cmp:236
pct:53.6
yds:3020
avg:6.86
td:21
td%:4.8
int:17
int%:3.9
sack:20
loss:152
qb rating:75.2














and Tony Romo?

att:128
cmp:84
pct:65.6
yds:1124
avg:8.78
td:8
td%:6.2
int:4
int%:3.1
sack:6
loss:37
qb rating:101.2

Now its clear to me Romo has outperformed all those guys you mentioned, when they got their shots to start

WOW What a shock! Funny how the only respectable number was 8.32 YPA by Rypien who actually won a Superbowl.

 

[chinch]

I love the spin control.

You don't like him, so he's a dud right?

This is why I asked the question that I did.

you're the champion of putting words in peoples mouths huh?

who said "dud"? or "don't like him".

the fact remains when romo starts playing down to the level of Eli i'll surely post here about it. so far what Tony has shown - on the road no less - is above any 3 games i've seen eli play in one season, nevermind in a row... and that is with inferior RB and OL - WR/TE is a wash.

now, i doubt this 102 QB rating level of play will continue forever but until it drops significantly the "pedigree qb only" zealots need to chew on a big-ol-bag of crow.

ps - those QBs you posted never had any great stretches as the stats posted above show.

 

[Hostile]

you're the champion of putting words in peoples mouths huh?

who said "dud"? or "don't like him".

the fact remains when romo starts playing down to the level of Eli i'll surely post here about it. so far what Tony has shown - on the road no less - is above any 3 games i've seen eli play in one season, nevermind in a row... and that is with inferior RB and OL - WR/TE is a wash.

now, i doubt this 102 QB rating level of play will continue forever but until it drops significantly the "pedigree qb only" zealots need to chew on a big-ol-bag of crow.

ps - those QBs you posted never had any great stretches as the stats posted above show.

No crow eaten here. I haven't had any call to.

Those QBs I posted were "flashes in the pan" which is exactly what sonnyboy asked. Go back and look at his question. Stats can be damned, that has nothing to do with it. I even threw a Super Bowl winner in there.

Nice try though.

 

[kmd24]

If you want to say Eli has a higher ceiling and more upside, that is your right.

I don't. I think Eli's ceiling may be somewhat lower than Romo's due to Eli's personality. Either way, Eli hasn't played very well so far in his career. I think he has the potential to get better, so he has more upside. I can't imagine Romo performing better than he has, so I think he has little upside.

You are correct. This is upside. Tony Romo has worked hard to overcome whatever stigmas might be attached to not being drafted and playing for a Division II school. That is what I am saying.

It was upside four years ago when Romo was drafted. At this point, I'd guess he's playing pretty close to his potential (i.e., realized his upside), if you just go by what's happened on the field so far.

Eli is still playing below his presumed potential, so he still has some upside left.

Anyway, what you're talking about is akin to implied odds, and it's only germane during the draft. Once the player joins the team, it's irrelevant.

Ever heard of sunk cost?

I disagree with this last part. Expectations are always refined, but lowering them is wrong. They should always be raised. If a player doesn't reach his full potential it should never be because not much was expected of him.

We're not talking about the same thing. I said nothing about expectations. I said "estimates."

Basically, what I am saying is that when a player is drafted, you only have a rough idea (an estimate) of what his potential is. As you watch the player play and develop, it becomes easier to estimate the player's capabilities and to determine if your original estimate of his potential was correct. BP's three year rule is a form of this.

We have a lot more information about Eli now. At this point, if you were estimating his potential, your assessment should be much more accurate than it was on draft day, and it may be very different. IMO, his potential is not what it was thought to be, but still better than average. That has nothing to do with the expectations that the Giants should have for Eli.

 

[jem88]

At this point, the only young QB I might take over Romo is Palmer.

What about Rivers? Granted, I haven't had the chance to watch any Chargers games but the guy is winning and putting up the numbers.

 

[Danny White]

P.S. Romo's also better than Delhomme.

 

[Danny White]

Just for argument's sake...

Starting QB's I'd rather have than Romo (in order):
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Phillip Rivers
Mark Bulger

QB's I'd give a "push" to (no particular order):
Matt Hassleback
Pukey McNabb
Brett Favre
Mike Vick
Drew Brees
Big Ben Rothwhatever
Steve McNair
Trent Green

QB's I'd take Romo over:
Eli Manning
Jason Campbell (probably)
Mark Brunell
Brad Johnson
Kitna
Grossman
Gradkowski
Chrissy Simms
Delhomme
Alex Smith
Leinart
Pennington
Losman
Joey Harrington
Daunte Culpepper
Frye
Leftwich
Garrard
Carr
Vince Young
Huard
Plummer
Whatever trash the Raiders are starting

 

[theogt]

QB's I'd give a "push" to (no particular order):
Matt Hassleback
Pukey McNabb
Brett Favre
Mike Vick
Drew Brees
Big Ben Rothwhatever
Steve McNair
Trent Green

You can go ahead and eliminate the bolded players from the list.

 

[Danny White]

You can go ahead and eliminate the bolded players from the list.

I didn't want to seem like TOO much of a Romo-homo.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Hmm, give me Tony Romo and Philip Rivers over Eli Manning. I think it's obvious how mature Romo is beyond his years also I see the same from Rivers!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd take ROmo over Jason Campbell LOL

 

[Hostile]

Just for argument's sake...

Starting QB's I'd rather have than Romo (in order):
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Phillip Rivers
Mark Bulger

QB's I'd give a "push" to (no particular order):
Matt Hassleback
Pukey McNabb
Brett Favre
Mike Vick
Drew Brees
Big Ben Rothwhatever
Steve McNair
Trent Green

QB's I'd take Romo over:
Eli Manning
Jason Campbell (probably)
Mark Brunell
Brad Johnson
Kitna
Grossman
Gradkowski
Chrissy Simms
Delhomme
Alex Smith
Leinart
Pennington
Losman
Joey Harrington
Daunte Culpepper
Frye
Leftwich
Garrard
Carr
Vince Young
Huard
Plummer
Whatever trash the Raiders are starting

Not a bad list. I don't much care for Bulger, but I admit he has good stats.

I couldn't create a list until at the end of the season. 3.5 games isn't enough for me to make an assessment one way or the other and some of the others on the list deserve a longer look too.