Am I crazy...

[dogunwo]

Romo's really impressed me with his poise and ability to sense the rush. That third down he converted with his legs in the second half was a savvy, vet move- and he didn't hesitate for a second. Bledsoe would've been a potted plant on at least three of our third down conversions today. I don't know what Romo's stats look like in that category, but I know it feels like we've got a chance on obvious passing downs now. I like our guy...

I know I feel like we have a chance on 3rd and long now with RomoCop at the helm. With Drew, and I like Drew, I was thinking about field position on the punt.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Funny how we ALL like winners!

 

[chinch]

How many NFL teams do you think would take him over Eli if they both were available and cost the same?

this is not what was asked.

of course "NFL teams" (ie. the GM/owners) would take the name-brand... the same ones who draft the Ryan Leafs of the world every first round.

thing is that Eli really is not a QB that is doing anything great for the most part yet... maybe he will, maybe he wont. he' clearly hasn't yet.

he barely reads the D, he's inaccurate, inconsistant and makes alot of dumb throws (first TD vs Dal a prime example - should have been INT). what he does do well is chuck it up and allow his large WRs make plays on the ball. eventually that catches up with you. i'm also wondering if he has silver-spoon syndrome... different from a guy who's neck is on the line every day. if Romo or some lesser NAME QB made the same throws writers/fans would be going crazy mad. But his name gives him alot of excuses, longer learning curve and longer leash.

 

[Hostile]

this is not what was asked.

of course "NFL teams" (ie. the GM/owners) would take the name-brand... the same ones who draft the Ryan Leafs of the world every first round.

thing is that Eli really is not a QB that is doing anything great for the most part yet... maybe he will, maybe he wont. he' clearly hasn't yet.

he barely reads the D, he's inaccurate, inconsistant and makes alot of dumb throws (first TD vs Dal a prime example - should have been INT). what he does do well is chuck it up and allow his large WRs make plays on the ball. eventually that catches up with you. i'm also wondering if he has silver-spoon syndrome... different from a guy who's neck is on the line every day. if Romo or some lesser NAME QB made the same throws writers/fans would be going crazy mad. But his name gives him alot of excuses, longer learning curve and longer leash.

It is what I asked. Consider it my contribution to the thought process that I would actually consider what NFL teams might decide as relevant. Does that mean they are right and Cowboys fans are wrong? No, but it is still relevant and I will stick with my query if you don't mind, and even if you do.

 

[dmq]

I have thought about bringing this subject up to a co-worker that is a Giants fan, but you know no Giant fan is gonna agree. It is way too early to say anything. Romo has played well against Carolina, Washington and Arizona. Lets see what he does over the next few weeks before we annoint him. Obviously we all like what we see.
I'll say this however, Eli has a wayyyyyy better offensive line and wayyyy better running game. That help alot.
Romo won yesterday inspite of all the penalities, average running game and offensive line play. He deserves a date with Jessica Simpson.

 

[Danny White]

How many NFL teams do you think would take him over Eli if they both were available and cost the same?

Very few, probably. But which would YOU take?

 

[Hostile]

Very few, probably. But which would YOU take?

Me personally, I'd probably take Manning as I think there is a higher ceiling. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. I'm the QB elitest remember? Not going to change my tune just because there's a new lead singer in town.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

At this point, the only young QB I might take over Romo is Palmer.

 

[TheSkaven]

At this point, the only young QB I might take over Romo is Palmer.

If we're going to make a list...

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Michael Vick

.. in that order.

When coming up with that list, it really does remind you of how the quality of the QB position has deteriorated over the past 10 years.

 

[sonnyboy]

Me personally, I'd probably take Manning as I think there is a higher ceiling. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. I'm the QB elitest remember? Not going to change my tune just because there's a new lead singer in town.

Need to open your mind my friend. I to was a QB elitest.
Was convinced Henson was our future. Background, physical talent. He was surely gonna come around. Only obsticle was Parcells. Old school, stubborn Parcells insisting that our next franchise had to show him in precamps, training camp and preseason games "something".
What an idiot, didn't he realize that he was holding Henson back! All he need to do was let him get in the games and gain experience.
Romo promoted to backup! What B.S. This obviously a ploy to motovate Henson. Make him work harder, be more of a Parcells type player. We all know that this Romo kid has nowhere near the upside of Henson.

After watching Romo's first preseason start, all these silly thoughts were long gone.
Montana was the best QB to ever play this game! His arm was as unimpressive as his modest physical staure. Why was he the best?
He saw the field better than anyone.
He found the open guy quicker than anyone.
The time between when he decided to throw to someone and the ball leaving his hand was the shortest.
His ability to throw accurate passes.
And above all, his ability to do all of this on the move both in and out of the pocket.

I've seen every preseason and reagular season Romo snap.
From what I've seen, he's the best in these crtical skills since Montana.

 

[Hostile]

Need to open your mind my friend. I to was a QB elitest.
Was convinced Henson was our future. Background, physical talent. He was surely gonna come around. Only obsticle was Parcells. Old school, stubborn Parcells insisting that our next franchise had to show him in precamps, training camp and preseason games "something".
What an idiot, didn't he realize that he was holding Henson back! All he need to do was let him get in the games and gain experience.
Romo promoted to backup! What B.S. This obviously a ploy to motovate Henson. Make him work harder, be more of a Parcells type player. We all know that this Romo kid has nowhere near the upside of Henson.

After watching Romo's first preseason start, all these silly thoughts were long gone.
Montana was the best QB to ever play this game! His arm was as unimpressive as his modest physical staure. Why was he the best?
He saw the field better than anyone.
He found the open guy quicker than anyone.
The time between when he decided to throw to someone and the ball leaving his hand was the shortest.
His ability to throw accurate passes.
And above all, his ability to do all of this on the move both in and out of the pocket.

I've seen every preseason and reagular season Romo snap.
From what I've seen, he's the best in these crtical skills since Montana.

My mind is open, but my honesty is intact. I'll never claim the right to say I knew all along that Romo would be good enough. I will claim the right to be happy when he does well, and critical when he falters. That doesn't mean I will ever change from my belief in elite QBs. I doubt that will ever happen. I know that will piss some people off, and I truly don't care. At least when the final ledger is tallied I won't have ever flip flopped like some of them have.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If we're going to make a list...

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Michael Vick

.. in that order.

When coming up with that list, it really does remind you of how the quality of the QB position has deteriorated over the past 10 years.

I think the dividing line, for me, is age. Manning and Brady are obviously great QBs. The best going right now, IMO, but neither is what I would consider young. I would not trade a young Romo for either of these two simply because I don't see them playing at there current levels for a long time to come. Palmer, I would take in a minute. Vick, I would not take at all. At this point, Vick is averaging just over 50% Comp percentage, 12 TDs, 9 INTs and posting a QB rating of 73.2. Basically, he's playing to his career average. No thank you.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Or is Tony Romo a better QB than Eli Manning?

I really think I like Romo about 100% better than Manning (Eli, that is).

and when he smokes Eli's older brother next week you can post

(Peyton that is)

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Need to open your mind my friend. I to was a QB elitest.
Was convinced Henson was our future. Background, physical talent. He was surely gonna come around. Only obsticle was Parcells. Old school, stubborn Parcells insisting that our next franchise had to show him in precamps, training camp and preseason games "something".
What an idiot, didn't he realize that he was holding Henson back! All he need to do was let him get in the games and gain experience.
Romo promoted to backup! What B.S. This obviously a ploy to motovate Henson. Make him work harder, be more of a Parcells type player. We all know that this Romo kid has nowhere near the upside of Henson.

After watching Romo's first preseason start, all these silly thoughts were long gone.
Montana was the best QB to ever play this game! His arm was as unimpressive as his modest physical staure. Why was he the best?
He saw the field better than anyone.
He found the open guy quicker than anyone.
The time between when he decided to throw to someone and the ball leaving his hand was the shortest.
His ability to throw accurate passes.
And above all, his ability to do all of this on the move both in and out of the pocket.

I've seen every preseason and reagular season Romo snap.
From what I've seen, he's the best in these crtical skills since Montana.

I don't know that I would go this far. I think that Brady is pretty good at it as well. Still too early to say with certainty that Romo is on par with those two but he's certainly impressed me with his abilities thus far.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

There is just not enough film and in-game data on Romo to make that kind of a leap just yet.

Also, reading through this thread I just have to face the fact that "some people" will never like Romo .

- Mike G.

 

[CooterBrown]

Romo's really impressed me with his poise and ability to sense the rush. That third down he converted with his legs in the second half was a savvy, vet move- and he didn't hesitate for a second. Bledsoe would've been a potted plant on at least three of our third down conversions today. I don't know what Romo's stats look like in that category, but I know it feels like we've got a chance on obvious passing downs now. I like our guy...

One thing I've been impressed by is Romo's demeanor on the field. He is having fun. It is a game and he plays it that way. Watch how many times he is laughing and smiling on the field. That kind of relaxation comes from confidence, and instills confidence in the players around him. I think this offense is only going to get better as the season progresses and I think Romo's attitude is a key ingredient.

 

[sonnyboy]

My mind is open, but my honesty is intact. I'll never claim the right to say I knew all along that Romo would be good enough. I will claim the right to be happy when he does well, and critical when he falters. That doesn't mean I will ever change from my belief in elite QBs. I doubt that will ever happen. I know that will piss some people off, and I truly don't care. At least when the final ledger is tallied I won't have ever flip flopped like some of them have.

Not trying to argue with you, just wondering what you mean by Elite QB or that you're a QB Elitest.
What I ment was a QB with all the physical talents. ie 6-4 to 6-6, 230 to 250, rocket arm, played at highest collegiate level, 1st round draft grade.

I always felt the Cowboys' starting QB had to resemble much of this. Did not want a "limited" player at that most critcal position. Always felt these "limitations" would hurt the most at the highest level of competition.

With that said, my favorite non-Cowboy player has always been Montana. The all time best QB (better than Staubach and Aikman) had none of these ideal measurables.

I guess I'm one of the flip floppers. I like to think I just call it as I see it at the time I see it.

 

[sonnyboy]

There is just not enough film and in-game data on Romo to make that kind of a leap just yet.

Also, reading through this thread I just have to face the fact that "some people" will never like Romo .

- Mike G.

That brings a good question to mind. Just how much game film/in-game data is needed to prove that Romo is a very good if not great QB.
I hope it's not the same amount defensive coordinators need to stop him.
That would suck!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not trying to argue with you, just wondering what you mean by Elite QB or that you're a QB Elitest.
What I ment was a QB with all the physical talents. ie 6-4 to 6-6, 230 to 250, rocket arm, played at highest collegiate level, 1st round draft grade.

I always felt the Cowboys' starting QB had to resemble much of this. Did not want a "limited" player at that most critcal position. Always felt these "limitations" would hurt the most at the highest level of competition.

With that said, my favorite non-Cowboy player has always been Montana. The all time best QB (better than Staubach and Aikman) had none of these ideal measurables.

I guess I'm one of the flip floppers. I like to think I just call it as I see it at the time I see it.

I do not believe Montana was better then Staubach and I don't know that I would say he was the best ever at the position but he was certainly very good. To be honest, Staubach was not a physical speciman either. In fact, he was built much more like Montana then Aikman. I guess you can classify me as a homer but I'm here to tell you that Staubach, IMO, was a better QB then Montana. He just didn't play in an era that allowed him to post the huge passing numbers. JMO, of course.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That brings a good question to mind. Just how much game film/in-game data is needed to prove that Romo is a very good if not great QB.
I hope it's not the same amount defensive coordinators need to stop him.
That would suck!

We don't know if he's physically able to play out a 16 game season. That's a big part of being great. After 10 games, your body is not opperating in good condition. Your playing with injuries. Can he play with those injuries? How does he handle the fame and all the pressure that goes along with that? How does he handle losing in a championship game? Does it break him or does he over come it? How does he handle a 5 game stretch where he's saked 4 to 6 times a game, every game. Does he start looking at the rush? All these things and more are ahead for him. You just don't know yet how he will handle these.