Am I just too much a Dallas homer that I take for granted that Philadelphia is overrated?

[MRV52]

They are going to fall on their face again. Remember years back how did that DreamTeam work out for them? All these signings mean absolutely nothing lets see if they can put it together. Packers win tonight!!

 

[sarge1116]

They are going to fall on their face again. Remember years back how did that DreamTeam work out for them? All these signings mean absolutely nothing lets see if they can put it together. Packers win tonight!!

2011 is conveniently brought up, but no one talks about 2017 or 2022.

 

[shabazz]

2011 is conveniently brought up, but no one talks about 2017 or 2022.

I recognize those years and also recognize that anything cam happen....but once again the roster is well put together and that displeases me

 

[Sydla]

Inviting others to speak some sanity into my brain. I'm just very, very hard pressed to convince that last season's debacle of a 2nd half in PHI was somehow a one-off, and that their strained faith that Siriani/Hurts can pull it together even having lost arguably the soul of both their O-line (Kelce) and their D-line (Cox) won't prove to be foolish.

Talk some sense into me.

On paper they are very good. They are loaded offensively. They are easily Top 5 in the NFL in terms of skill position talent. They have two high level OTs. They lost Kelce but Jurgens isn't trash. Dickerson is a big time OG. Hurts regressed last year but it wasn't like he went from great in 2022 to the worst QB in 2023. If he plays somewhere between the 2022 version and 2023 version, they will likely score a crap ton of points.

Defensively, they are probably a little weaker along the DL. Cox is gone. Depth at DE is not as strong. They did improve a bit at LB, where they were terrible in 2023. Secondary was trash in 2023 and they brought in a big upgrade at S and added more talent at CB. How that all comes together, who knows. They also have a new DC in Fangio, who while not great, is probably a step up from what they were running out last year (to where they essentially benched their DC and put Patricia in, LOL).

On paper, they are one of the best teams in the NFL IMO. But this team has a weird vibe that bubbled over last year. They say everything is kosher between Sirianni and Hurts, but I am not so sure. There was some friction between players on the team. Some said Hurts wasn't a good enough leader, etc. If they start slow, I wonder if some of that stuff bubbles over again. I suspect they will be right there for the division again and honestly, given our subtraction in the roster and some of their additions and throw in the weird no back to back divisional champ weird thing, I'd say right now they'd win the division by a game or two and we'd be a WC team.

 

[Sydla]

Philly's problem is their one dimensional QB, and then add in that he can't keep his mouth shut.

Hurts has problems keeping his mouth shut?

Or do you mean the coach, who definitely has a problem keeping his emotions in check.

 

[Reid1boys]

Inviting others to speak some sanity into my brain. I'm just very, very hard pressed to convince that last season's debacle of a 2nd half in PHI was somehow a one-off, and that their strained faith that Siriani/Hurts can pull it together even having lost arguably the soul of both their O-line (Kelce) and their D-line (Cox) won't prove to be foolish.

Talk some sense into me.

I didnt care what their record was last year... I watched everyone of their games, and they could have easily lost 4 additional games. It was similar to the Giants and the Vikings the year before, they won a ton of one score games. The law of avgs will even out, and it did for both the Vikes and the Giants.

The Iggles were not great last year. Now, this is an entirely new season. They added a talented RB in Barkely... BUT, it always comes down to the QB, and Hurts is in year in 5. He stunk in 2020 and 2021, he was avg in 2023. So unless Hurts gets back to his 2022 season, the Eagles will be 9-8 or so this year.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The roster is impressive for the Eagles.....but it was in 2011 too so we have to see if it comes to fruition

You didn't think I was gonna not bring up Vince Youngs Dream Team, lol

But no matter what, yall win the GM battle....and it not even close

I think a difference between those two situations is Howie didn’t really know what he wanted or how to get it. Now Howie has been everywhere, SB winner, SB Loser, Divisional winner, Divisional loser… he know what certain things need.

I believe that’s why Kellen and Fangio are here. No, Kellen isn’t Andy Reid or Kevin O’Connell. But he’s established and can keep the ship steady. That was the coordinator mistake last year, guys who were guessing.

Howie’s no longer guessing, and we have 2 of the most veteran coordinators in the league who aren’t guessing either. That’ll be the difference

 

[ArtClink]

So you're trying to tell me their season doesn't depend on jalen hurts staying healthy? You trying to tell me there is no drop off between Hurtz and their backup? You're trying to tell me if there's safeties in linebackers have a problem stopping the run which is possible or they're so susceptible to the past still that it won't matter but that's not what their teams depending on I mean you say things and people around here say things that pretty much can apply to all teams their starters are important and there's a big drop off between the number ones and number twos for good reason nobody has that kind of depth....

Yes it annoys me that I read things like that as if they're quarterback that they're going into the season with isn't very important you don't think Kansas City would be in trouble if Mahomes went down you think with the rest of that talent that you think they're going to cover that up which by the way I don't even know who their backup is but what if?

That's what I heard if Patrick mahomes doesn't stay healthy and they lose Chris Jones they're in big trouble... UMMMMM, OK..

I'm saying the Eagles spent $100 million more than Jerry in the offseason to improve their roster and the Eagles GM is considered one of the best NFL GMs while Jerry is not. Did you sprain your ankle jumping to so many wrong conclusions? I bet you did. I bet you did very much. And we are and ugh, ugh, of course we will.

 

[blueblood70]

I'm saying the Eagles spent $100 million more than Jerry in the offseason to improve their roster and the Eagles GM is considered one of the best NFL GMs while Jerry is not. Did you sprain your ankle jumping to so many wrong conclusions? I bet you did. I bet you did very much. And we are and ugh, ugh, of course we will.

Actually I don't I read right into what you were saying and I'm telling you I don't care because we beat Howie Roseman and the eagles 2 times that'll last three years and yes it's quite obvious there are direct competition in the division they don't change the fact who cares how much money he's spending if it doesn't work out he makes a lot of moves and looks all sexy it's great on paper but I'm not scared of them because they haven't dominated us the division in a very long time it's been back and forth we've typically split games and that's kinda crazy huh Jerry Jones doesn't spend so much money to do the same thing to be as competitive as the eagles.... That's because we draft better that's because we develop and keep our own players much better than them so sometimes teams have to spend more money in free agency because they don't hit on enough players in the draft it's a give and take some teams do it better in free agency some teams do it better in the draft and some teams do it as good both ways..

So no no ankle sprains didn't even use my fingers this is talk to text so it doesn't even phase me moving on.. By the way bringing up the eagles when we got the Browns coming up I mean when is the eagles game I'm not talking about tonight I'm talking about against us it's not even close I don't even wanna hear about it we could talk after the game let's see who's offseason look better when we get there.

 

[shabazz]

I think a difference between those two situations is Howie didn’t really know what he wanted or how to get it. Now Howie has been everywhere, SB winner, SB Loser, Divisional winner, Divisional loser… he know what certain things need.

I believe that’s why Kellen and Fangio are here. No, Kellen isn’t Andy Reid or Kevin O’Connell. But he’s established and can keep the ship steady. That was the coordinator mistake last year, guys who were guessing.

Howie’s no longer guessing, and we have 2 of the most veteran coordinators in the league who aren’t guessing either. That’ll be the difference

The only thing I would question is why Kellen Moore was brought in after the year Herbert had under his tutelage?

I dont know Herberts exact stats but I think it's common knowledge that he regressed.......and Harbaugh Immediately made him persona non grata.

 

[Sydla]

Actually I don't I read right into what you were saying and I'm telling you I don't care because we beat Howie Roseman and the eagles 2 times that'll last three years and yes it's quite obvious there are direct competition in the division they don't change the fact who cares how much money he's spending if it doesn't work out he makes a lot of moves and looks all sexy it's great on paper but I'm not scared of them because they haven't dominated us the division in a very long time it's been back and forth we've typically split games and that's kinda crazy huh Jerry Jones doesn't spend so much money to do the same thing to be as competitive as the eagles.... That's because we draft better that's because we develop and keep our own players much better than them so sometimes teams have to spend more money in free agency because they don't hit on enough players in the draft it's a give and take some teams do it better in free agency some teams do it better in the draft and some teams do it as good both ways..

So no no ankle sprains didn't even use my fingers this is talk to text so it doesn't even phase me moving on.. By the way bringing up the eagles when we got the Browns coming up I mean when is the eagles game I'm not talking about tonight I'm talking about against us it's not even close I don't even wanna hear about it we could talk after the game let's see who's offseason look better when we get there.

This is homerism at it's finest. The Eagles have invested more in their roster than the Cowboys have over the last decade. The results speak for themselves. 2 SBs, 1 SB win, more playoff wins.

Head to head is a silly way to analyze the levels of success between the two teams. But when that's all you have to stand on, I guess you gotta roll with that silly logic.

Over the last decade,

Eagles
2 SBs
1 SB win
2 NFCCGs
6 playoff wins
3 divisional titles
8-12 against Dallas

Cowboys
0 SBs
0 SB wins
0 NFCCGs
3 playoff wins
5 divisional titles
12-8 against Philly

Now who here, other than diehard homers, would choose to have had our success over this period over Philly's? LOL.

 

[ArtClink]

This is homerism at it's finest. The Eagles have invested more in their roster than the Cowboys have over the last decade. The results speak for themselves. 2 SBs, 1 SB win, more playoff wins.

Head to head is a silly way to analyze the levels of success between the two teams. But when that's all you have to stand on, I guess you gotta roll with that silly logic.

Over the last decade,

Eagles
2 SBs
1 SB win
2 NFCCGs
6 playoff wins
3 divisional titles
8-12 against Dallas

Cowboys
0 SBs
0 SB wins
0 NFCCGs
3 playoff wins
5 divisional titles
12-8 against Philly

Now who here, other than diehard homers, would choose to have had our success over this period over Philly's? LOL.

Very true.

"When Cowboys fans wonder why they haven’t reached an NFC championship game in three decades and the Eagles have made two Super Bowls in the past seven years, the answer is that the Eagles are shelling out over 50 percent more cash each season than Dallas. This year, for example, the Eagles are outspending the Cowboys in cash on their roster by $100 million. In football terms, the Eagles just want it more." (src: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/9/3/24232254/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-stephen-jones-ownership)

 

[ArtClink]

Actually I don't I read right into what you were saying and I'm telling you I don't care because we beat Howie Roseman and the eagles 2 times that'll last three years and yes it's quite obvious there are direct competition in the division they don't change the fact who cares how much money he's spending if it doesn't work out he makes a lot of moves and looks all sexy it's great on paper but I'm not scared of them because they haven't dominated us the division in a very long time it's been back and forth we've typically split games and that's kinda crazy huh Jerry Jones doesn't spend so much money to do the same thing to be as competitive as the eagles.... That's because we draft better that's because we develop and keep our own players much better than them so sometimes teams have to spend more money in free agency because they don't hit on enough players in the draft it's a give and take some teams do it better in free agency some teams do it better in the draft and some teams do it as good both ways..

So no no ankle sprains didn't even use my fingers this is talk to text so it doesn't even phase me moving on.. By the way bringing up the eagles when we got the Browns coming up I mean when is the eagles game I'm not talking about tonight I'm talking about against us it's not even close I don't even wanna hear about it we could talk after the game let's see who's offseason look better when we get there.

Indeed.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The only thing I would question is why Kellen Moore was brought in after the year Herbert had under his tutelage?

I dont know Herberts exact stats but I think it's common knowledge that he regressed.......and Harbaugh Immediately made him persona non grata.

Harbaugh is an offensive minded HC and runs basically the opposite offense to Moore; he fired all the coaches

Herbert was injured last year, missed 4 games and was in and out of 2 more. He only took about 70% of the snaps he did in 2022. In the snaps he did take, his passer rating was identical to 2022, and his QBR was better. So that narrative only works if you look at total yards thrown and ignore everything else.

Chargers ran for more yards in 2023 and committed fewer offensive penalties. This is what Philadelphia is getting

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

How are they being "overhyped".

If you look at most power polls, most people have Philly and Dallas right next to each other....around the 7-9 range. Which seems about right, as both teams had talent, but both teams flamed out and had seasons ending in the Wild Card round.

Both teams should be in the 7-9 range based on talent alone.

GreenBay and the Lions are the ones I'd call "overhyped"...but really, it's not overhyped, it's just that sports writers take the results from the previous season, and slot them for the new year exactly in the order they finished the previous year

 

[mcmvp]

Hurts has problems keeping his mouth shut?

Or do you mean the coach, who definitely has a problem keeping his emotions in check.

Seriously… sometimes I wonder if certain posters are just guessing, or if they are really following teams that are not their own. It’s obvious some people are just spitting stuff out without knowing anything. You could not be more right… It’s definitely Sirianni that has an emotional outburst issue. Sometimes I feel like Hurts can go a week without saying three words. He is definitely not a talker… He wants his actions/play to speak. We will see this year if his actions do talk.

For myself, I’m much more worried about the progression and change on the defense… That was the bigger problem area a year ago. I think the offense will be fine

 

[Sydla]

Seriously… sometimes I wonder if certain posters are just guessing, or if they are really following teams that are not their own. It’s obvious some people are just spitting stuff out without knowing anything. You could not be more right… It’s definitely Sirianni that has an emotional outburst issue. Sometimes I feel like Hurts can go a week without saying three words. He is definitely not a talker… He wants his actions/play to speak. We will see this year if his actions do talk.

For myself, I’m much more worried about the progression and change on the defense… That was the bigger problem area a year ago. I think the offense will be fine

The criticism of Hurts was he was too stoic. That he was too quiet. That he was a bad leader because at times he’d just sit by himself during games and clam up during the week/

 

[mcmvp]

The criticism of Hurts was he was too stoic. That he was too quiet. That he was a bad leader because at times he’d just sit by himself during games and clam up during the week/

I don’t know about during the week… All of his teammates say he’s not the same behind closed doors as what the world sees. They all defend his leadership and style. I think he’s got his guard up when he talks to the media.… That’s why he has that image. I never once heard that he was a bad leader in the locker room. Quite the opposite actually.

I will never doubt Hurts when it comes to work ethic and leadership… I still have my own questions about what his ceilings are as a QB on the field.

 

[KingCorcoran]

On paper they are very good. They are loaded offensively. They are easily Top 5 in the NFL in terms of skill position talent. They have two high level OTs. They lost Kelce but Jurgens isn't trash. Dickerson is a big time OG. Hurts regressed last year but it wasn't like he went from great in 2022 to the worst QB in 2023. If he plays somewhere between the 2022 version and 2023 version, they will likely score a crap ton of points.

Defensively, they are probably a little weaker along the DL. Cox is gone. Depth at DE is not as strong. They did improve a bit at LB, where they were terrible in 2023. Secondary was trash in 2023 and they brought in a big upgrade at S and added more talent at CB. How that all comes together, who knows. They also have a new DC in Fangio, who while not great, is probably a step up from what they were running out last year (to where they essentially benched their DC and put Patricia in, LOL).

On paper, they are one of the best teams in the NFL IMO. But this team has a weird vibe that bubbled over last year. They say everything is kosher between Sirianni and Hurts, but I am not so sure. There was some friction between players on the team. Some said Hurts wasn't a good enough leader, etc. If they start slow, I wonder if some of that stuff bubbles over again. I suspect they will be right there for the division again and honestly, given our subtraction in the roster and some of their additions and throw in the weird no back to back divisional champ weird thing, I'd say right now they'd win the division by a game or two and we'd be a WC team.

They’re depending on rookies to perform. That rarely works out well. They’re dealing with injuries, like lots of teams. Sirianni is a peculiar dude. I think he pretty much knows he’s gone no matter what after this season. Hurts, once a media darling, is now considered a waste of money. If he steps up to prove doubters wrong, they’ll be pretty good. If not, third place could happen.

 

[mcmvp]

They’re depending on rookies to perform. That rarely works out well. They’re dealing with injuries, like lots of teams. Sirianni is a peculiar dude. I think he pretty much knows he’s gone no matter what after this season. Hurts, once a media darling, is now considered a waste of money. If he steps up to prove doubters wrong, they’ll be pretty good. If not, third place could happen.

This is the type of stuff that really cracks me up. Especially from a fanbase that had already wasted money, or “considered to have wasted money” by paying a QB too much money.

It could very well be that Jalen Hurts’ contract does not age well… But that story will be concluded this season and next season. It’s not already considered to be that… Well, I suppose it is for those people that listen to some members of the Talking Heads on TV.

If someone was going to ask me now, I’d say that these people probably will be proven right. Because they’re really only one, two, at most three QBs worthy of paying the type of money that these guys make. But the market is what the market is. So it has become a very weak argument because 12-16 guys will get that type of money anyway.

I would like to be pointed to the link that shows the masses now consider Jalen Hurts to be a waste of money. Give me one or two years, i will point the directions to that link myself. The directions currently don’t exist because nobody’s really saying that. Nobody worth listening to anyway