Am i the only one who isnt big on bringing in Waters?

[jobberone]

I still can't fathom why anyone in their right mind would be against bringing in a seasoned vet who has played at an elite level. He doesn't have to start, hell, he doesn't even have to make the team. Why on earth would you be negative about at least kicking the tires though? It's not like you're writing the check.

Not taking a side but he eats a roster spot and is a progress stopper assuming someone is progressing. He brings depth and vet presence.

 

[Stash]

I would ask anyone unsure about the guy to take he time to do some research. Read the reports on what kind of man and player he was in Kansas City.

Look up how he fit in during his Pro Bowl / Super Bowl year in New England.

And read the current reports on his workouts and what kind of shape he's in right now.

If you do, I think you'll feel a lot better about it.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I would ask anyone unsure about the guy to take he time to do some research. Read the reports on what kind of man and player he was in Kansas City.

Look up how he fit in during his Pro Bowl / Super Bowl year in New England.

And read the current reports on his workouts and what kind of shape he's in right now.

If you do, I think you'll feel a lot better about it.

Still not sure it's going to happen.

 

[Stash]

Still not sure it's going to happen.

Not a done deal until its a done deal, that's for sure.

I'm optimistic (for a change!)

 

[ElGatoGrande]

This team's OL depth is zero, several of its starters are very marginal and several of the starters are definite injury risks. Any OL help should be welcomed with open arms. Yes players like Moore and Waters could be progress stoppers on a team with young developing talent but this team doesn't have much of that going on. They could dump several of the current roster spot holding linemen without negatively impacting future OLs.

 

[burmafrd]

who do we have that we THINK could reach pro bowl or near that level? Smith and maybe Fredrick. THAT is ALL. So if we have to cut one of the JAGS so be it. We would not be losing anything we could not replace.

 

[CowboyDiver]

I would ask anyone unsure about the guy to take he time to do some research. Read the reports on what kind of man and player he was in Kansas City.

Look up how he fit in during his Pro Bowl / Super Bowl year in New England.

And read the current reports on his workouts and what kind of shape he's in right now.

If you do, I think you'll feel a lot better about it.

That would take effort by the complainers. It won't happen. Unless maybe you feel like posting a link to each article.

 

[BlindFaith]

Its simple logic really. Sign him, see what he has left, if you don't think he's better than what you currently have (which is funny to even say) then you simply cut him before the season starts.

Its not that hard to understand why so many want us to just bring him in at least.. the last time he played, he played at a much higher level than anyone on our team. A year is nothing.. its not like he would lose all his skill and knowledge of the position just because he hasn't played in a year.

His contract would be guaranteed. So you wouldn't just be kicking the tires. You'd be buying the tires.

And no, I'm not on board with bringing him in either. He didn't even bother to play for the Patriots last year. He was under contract and just didn't show up. The Pats refused to cut him and placed him on reserved/did not report list. They actually offered him even more money before doing so, and he still declined. That new offer was for 4 million. Truth be told, he was not in shape.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2013/04/patriots_releas_43.html

Real stand up, high character guy there. Refuses to play even under contract, not in shape. There is a reason no team wants anything to do with this guy. He wants to stay close to his family, not go to training camp and collect a big fat check for for playing 16 days. You can bet he won't be practicing much during the week either.

I'd stay away.

 

[BlindFaith]

I would ask anyone unsure about the guy to take he time to do some research. Read the reports on what kind of man and player he was in Kansas City.

Look up how he fit in during his Pro Bowl / Super Bowl year in New England.

And read the current reports on his workouts and what kind of shape he's in right now.

If you do, I think you'll feel a lot better about it.

Yeah, please provide the link that says he's in good shape.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

His contract would be guaranteed. So you wouldn't just be kicking the tires. You'd be buying the tires.

And no, I'm not on board with bringing him in either. He didn't even bother to play for the Patriots last year. He was under contract and just didn't show up. The Pats refused to cut him and placed him on reserved/did not report list. They actually offered him even more money before doing so, and he still declined. That new offer was for 4 million. Truth be told, he was not in shape.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2013/04/patriots_releas_43.html

Real stand up, high character guy there. Refuses to play even under contract, not in shape. There is a reason no team wants anything to do with this guy. He wants to stay close to his family, not go to training camp and collect a big fat check for for playing 16 days. You can bet he won't be practicing much during the week either.

I'd stay away.

You mean he wasn't in game shape after sitting out an entire season? Hard to believe.. lol.

He didn't want to play for them.. that much was obvious. Its been known he wanted to play for a team in Texas because he likes to spend alot of time with his family. I find it hard to find fault in him for that.

 

[BlindFaith]

You mean he wasn't in game shape after sitting out an entire season? Hard to believe.. lol.

He didn't want to play for them.. that much was obvious. Its been known he wanted to play for a team in Texas because he likes to spend alot of time with his family. I find it hard to find fault in him for that.

No, he wasn't in shape to start the 2012 season, the one he decided to not show up for but collect a check anyway because it was guaranteed. Hey, its great that he want's to be close to his family. But if you REALLY wanted to play football, you'd show up and do what you signed a contract to do. And if you REALLY wanted to play football, you wouldn't be sitting around waiting for the Cowboys or Texans to call, you'd be in camp somewhere right now, busting your arse with the rest of the team.

He doesn't really want to play. But he does want a big fat paycheck.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, please provide the link that says he's in good shape.

 

[BlindFaith]

Oh, that's proof enough for me.

 

[Stash]

Oh, that's proof enough for me.

Fact is that you've stated your feelings on it and nothing is going to change that.

No problem.

I showed you the source, you choose not to believe it due to your stance on the topic.

No problem.

You have every right to your opinion.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

No, he wasn't in shape to start the 2012 season, the one he decided to not show up for but collect a check anyway because it was guaranteed. Hey, its great that he want's to be close to his family. But if you REALLY wanted to play football, you'd show up and do what you signed a contract to do. And if you REALLY wanted to play football, you wouldn't be sitting around waiting for the Cowboys or Texans to call, you'd be in camp somewhere right now, busting your arse with the rest of the team.

He doesn't really want to play. But he does want a big fat paycheck.

It says in the article you posted that he was out of shape in February..that would be the end of the season, not the beginning. Read the whole article next time.

Either way, its pretty clear you have some bias against the guy. Even though there is a report that he is in great shape right now, you still choose not to believe it, even though the people who reported it would know alot better than you.

Believe what you want.. but im sure if he accepts the offer we have on the table for him our coaches will be very happy to have him.

 

[BlindFaith]

It says in the article you posted that he was out of shape in February..that would be the end of the season, not the beginning. Read the whole article next time.

Either way, its pretty clear you have some bias against the guy. Even though there is a report that he is in great shape right now, you still choose not to believe it, even though the people who reported it would know alot better than you.

Believe what you want.. but im sure if he accepts the offer we have on the table for him our coaches will be very happy to have him.

He had no intention of playing in 2012. He got his free money. You really think he was busting his tail to be in shape to play? The comment was that he wasn't in shape in Feb. Declined to comment on why he wussed out on his contract and...draw your own conclusions on if you think he was ready to play in September.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

He had no intention of playing in 2012. He got his free money. You really think he was busting his tail to be in shape to play? The comment was that he wasn't in shape in Feb. Declined to comment on why he wussed out on his contract and...draw your own conclusions on if you think he was ready to play in September.

Your answer is in the first sentence of your post. You claim he was out of shape.. but yet you understand he had no intention of playing in 2012.

Think about that for a few seconds.. don't hurt yourself.

You think if he was considering taking a contract with us this year, it'd be the same?

I don't. I agree, he had no intention of playing in 2012, hence, he used that year to spend time with his family and not follow his strict workout routine.

Now, if he has been considering playing in 2013 for any team, i think he would certainly be getting himself ready physically to play.

Im sure you'll disagree.. but we already know how you feel about the guy.

 

[Trueboysfan]

I still can't fathom why anyone in their right mind would be against bringing in a seasoned vet who has played at an elite level. He doesn't have to start, hell, he doesn't even have to make the team. Why on earth would you be negative about at least kicking the tires though? It's not like you're writing the check.

Problem is we are going to have to bring him in using a lotta green and I'm sure Waters would want quite a bit of that guaranteed...it's gonna cost to get him here. And if he isn't even good enough to make the team then we will be out ala Roy Wi11iams. If he's good enough bring him in to start and only to start but don't break the bank on this guy. We have guys that we are going to have to get signed next year.

 

[BlindFaith]

Your answer is in the first sentence of your post. You claim he was out of shape.. but yet you understand he had no intention of playing in 2012.

Think about that for a few seconds.. don't hurt yourself.

You think if he was considering taking a contract with us this year, it'd be the same?

I don't. I agree, he had no intention of playing in 2012, hence, he used that year to spend time with his family and not follow his strict workout routine.

Now, if he has been considering playing in 2013 for any team, i think he would certainly be getting himself ready physically to play.

Im sure you'll disagree.. but we already know how you feel about the guy.

Mmm, ok?

So you think it was ok for him to be out of shape because he had no intention of playing, even though he had a contract with a team? A guaranteed contract that he knew he would get paid even if he didn't show up - which he didn't.

Or do you think he really was in great shape prior to the 2012 season? Knowing full well that he had no plans to play.

And he hasn't been considering playing for any team. He only wanted to play for a team in Texas. You really think he was motivated to get into NFL shape, knowing that he'd only play for one or two teams, and they would have to pay him enough.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Mmm, ok?

So you think it was ok for him to be out of shape because he had no intention of playing, even though he had a contract with a team? A guaranteed contract that he knew he would get paid even if he didn't show up - which he didn't.

Or do you think he really was in great shape prior to the 2012 season? Knowing full well that he had no plans to play.

And he hasn't been considering playing for any team. He only wanted to play for a team in Texas. You really think he was motivated to get into NFL shape, knowing that he'd only play for one or two teams, and they would have to pay him enough.

I think he was clearly in great shape in 2011, when he played at a Pro Bowl level, and in 2012, i think he decided he wanted to spend time with his family instead of playing football.. much like Brandon Moore just did.. so yea, he didn't worry about being in shape that year.

Funny i don't hear you *****ing and moaning about Moore, though. Odd..